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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #225 on: July 07, 2016, 12:15:08 am »
Where, exactly, is there any evidence that Trump is not pro-big-government?
 

You tell me.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #226 on: July 07, 2016, 12:42:01 am »
 

You tell me.

So, re: that (being pro-big-government).....Trump and Hillary are the same then. 

Got it.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #227 on: July 07, 2016, 01:52:34 am »
So, re: that (being pro-big-government).....Trump and Hillary are the same then. 

Got it.

Hillary may be big government, but Trump believes government should be YUGE.

But, yes.  They are the same when it comes to big government, to abortion, to Obamacare, and a whole host of other liberal issues.   Voting for Trump doesn't save us from liberalism.   It dooms us to suffer from more of it.

wolfcreek knows that, yet wants us to vote for Trump anyway.


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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #228 on: July 07, 2016, 04:03:49 am »
 

Whoever they replace Trump with wouldn't have a chance. His supporters will dk the same as you.
Well, then, who owns it?

The people who gave us Trump and will support no one else, or the people who have said "No Trump, No way", from early on in all this?

The polls reflected that against Hillary, Trump would perform badly: that he would be a loser.

We told you where we stood--some of us quite early on, and y'all thought you could bully us into changing our minds and going along. We have been ranted at, subjected to nonsensical barrages of spam on websites, called everything in the book, wished cancer, threatened with death, by supporters of the Donald. Our candidates  have been lied about, slandered wholesale, had their families slandered or portrayed in humiliating ways, and even had their ancestors portrayed as murderers most foul, by Trump or his supporters, all in the effort to make Trump look better.

Considering the source, it didn't.

We've had enough being bullied, by a government that has abdicated its primary functions and already digs in our pockets, our effects, our Rights, and our lives, and we're mad as hell and we aren't about to vote for this crap.

No more voting for the lesser evil. Been there, done that, burned the T-shirt, game over.

Either a candidate I can support, or no support. That simple.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #229 on: July 07, 2016, 04:11:36 am »
If Trump runs this country like a business [should be run], it should do fine. Trouble is NO politician has done that as of late...from either side.

Hillary, like Obama is perfectly fine with letting this country go to ruin so Big government can come to the rescue.
One of Trump's business tricks was buying influence through political donations (the 'cost of doing business' in NY). So who is he going to buy to get 'er done?

You need to take a long hard look at his business practices and the long list of dissatisfied customers, and others (former vineyard owners, people who owned properties he wanted, people in competition with him, former business partners), and tell me if he is the businessman you want running the country like he runs his business.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #230 on: July 07, 2016, 04:23:22 am »
You cannot run a country like a business. They two very different things.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #231 on: July 07, 2016, 04:26:28 am »
You cannot run a country like a business. They two very different things.
Sure you can. Not under the Constitution. though. And the guy they want to do it has been through Chapter 11 before, it should be a cinch.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #232 on: July 07, 2016, 04:36:40 am »
You cannot run a country like a business. They two very different things.

Fascism is what happens when you run a country like a business. Business is not democratic nor Republican and under fascism its "customers" are slaves to the state forced to produce and consume the products the state mandates.

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« Reply #233 on: July 07, 2016, 07:32:02 am »
Sure you can. Not under the Constitution. though. And the guy they want to do it has been through Chapter 11 before, it should be a cinch.

American Bankruptcy

Because everyone likes a roller coaster..... right....

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #234 on: July 07, 2016, 07:57:07 am »
American Bankruptcy

Because everyone likes a roller coaster..... right....
Just saying...of all the candidates, Trump is the expert in bankruptcy, having gone through it so many times...who else to lead in the moral and fiscal bankruptcy of America but someone who knows what they are doing?

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #235 on: July 07, 2016, 11:25:59 am »
So, re: that (being pro-big-government).....Trump and Hillary are the same then. 

Got it.

So you don't know, you're just spouting rhetoric.

What I thought.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #236 on: July 07, 2016, 11:36:55 am »
You cannot run a country like a business. They two very different things.

A business wouldn't be 20 trillion dollars in debt and still be up and running. It would have fired all those who mismanaged it and replaced them with others who are hopefully more qualified.

The last so-called Conservative POTUS ran up the debt making way for his predecessor to double that. This has likely doomed the futures of your grandchildren while you rest on your laurels.

We need real change for this country survive. If not Trump then someone outside this current and past crop of corrupt pols.

Our choices are limited but, allowing Hillary to continue down the path we're on is suicide, IMHO.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #237 on: July 07, 2016, 12:44:13 pm »
Well, then, who owns it?

The people who gave us Trump and will support no one else, or the people who have said "No Trump, No way", from early on in all this?

The polls reflected that against Hillary, Trump would perform badly: that he would be a loser.

We told you where we stood--some of us quite early on, and y'all thought you could bully us into changing our minds and going along. We have been ranted at, subjected to nonsensical barrages of spam on websites, called everything in the book, wished cancer, threatened with death, by supporters of the Donald. Our candidates  have been lied about, slandered wholesale, had their families slandered or portrayed in humiliating ways, and even had their ancestors portrayed as murderers most foul, by Trump or his supporters, all in the effort to make Trump look better.

Considering the source, it didn't.

We've had enough being bullied, by a government that has abdicated its primary functions and already digs in our pockets, our effects, our Rights, and our lives, and we're mad as hell and we aren't about to vote for this crap.

No more voting for the lesser evil. Been there, done that, burned the T-shirt, game over.

Either a candidate I can support, or no support. That simple.

Same crap I've heard the last two election cycles and guess what? Obama, Obama

You really want Hillary, Hillary?

If we don't coalesce behind our nominee, nothing but more of the same.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #238 on: July 07, 2016, 01:07:30 pm »
Same crap I've heard the last two election cycles and guess what? Obama, Obama

You really want Hillary, Hillary?

If we don't coalesce behind our nominee, nothing but more of the same.

That is total HOGWASH!  If the GOP really wanted to stop Hillary, they should nominate someone who could really beat her.  It looks as if the do not want to beat her.  It has nothing to do with coalescing.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #239 on: July 07, 2016, 01:29:37 pm »
This is the third election cycle the GOP has handed us a crap candidate and told us you HAVE to vote for this person...they are the only one that can beat the Democrats.

And for the third straight election cycle...


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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #240 on: July 07, 2016, 01:37:12 pm »
That is total HOGWASH!  If the GOP really wanted to stop Hillary, they should nominate someone who could really beat her.  It looks as if the do not want to beat her.  It has nothing to do with coalescing.

The GOP hasn't nominated anyone and it will be done by the delegates. Trump beat 16 other people [some put up by the GOPe] and deserves our support to defeat Hillary Clinton.

If you can't see that, you have no interest in defeating her. It's up to us not, the GOP.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #241 on: July 07, 2016, 01:44:22 pm »
The GOP hasn't nominated anyone and it will be done by the delegates. Trump beat 16 other people [some put up by the GOPe] and deserves our support to defeat Hillary Clinton.

If you can't see that, you have no interest in defeating her. It's up to us not, the GOP.

ahh....  88sorry88 but NOPE!  Since when has Trump been shown that HE can beat Hillary?  I dare you to show ONE current legit poll.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #242 on: July 07, 2016, 02:10:30 pm »

Trump beat 16 other people [some put up by the GOPe]

By lies, deceit and divisiveness.

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and deserves our support

DESERVES? OH HELL NO. He will reap exactly what he's sown.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #243 on: July 07, 2016, 02:49:35 pm »

DESERVES? OH HELL NO. He will reap exactly what he's sown.

That's another thing the Trumpkins either don't seem to grasp or don't care about.

Trump the candidate doesn't deserve anything.  He and his sycophants can't demand people's respect and support and think it will magically happen.

So far that's a concept Trump and his minions haven't quite grasped yet.

Respect and support has to be earned.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #244 on: July 07, 2016, 05:08:33 pm »
Same crap I've heard the last two election cycles and guess what? Obama, Obama

You really want Hillary, Hillary?

If we don't coalesce behind our nominee, nothing but more of the same.
I didn't nominate him. He's no Conservative. Maybe y'all should go coalesce.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #245 on: July 07, 2016, 05:12:44 pm »
The GOP hasn't nominated anyone and it will be done by the delegates. Trump beat 16 other people [some put up by the GOPe] and deserves our support to defeat Hillary Clinton.

If you can't see that, you have no interest in defeating her. It's up to us not, the GOP.
Deserves? If he wants my support he has to earn it. He hasn't even come close. There is no 'divine right' to my support, and if there was he would not be the heir apparent. That was the same BS attitude foisted on us by the GOPe, 'it's so-and-so's turn', and I am not playing that game.

He has been seen and found wanting. Besides, as wee have been repeatedly told, he doesn't need out votes anyhow.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #246 on: July 07, 2016, 08:06:35 pm »
I didn't nominate him. He's no Conservative. Maybe y'all should go coalesce.

Reagan was maybe the last so-called Conservative elected even he drove up the debt.

Maybe we should just concentrate on keeping the Corporate Socialist out of power?

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/268947-a-democracy-lost-to-corporate-socialism

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #247 on: July 07, 2016, 08:15:31 pm »
Deserves? If he wants my support he has to earn it. He hasn't even come close. There is no 'divine right' to my support, and if there was he would not be the heir apparent. That was the same BS attitude foisted on us by the GOPe, 'it's so-and-so's turn', and I am not playing that game.

He has been seen and found wanting. Besides, as wee have been repeatedly told, he doesn't need out votes anyhow.

Joe, ...just posted...Trump and Cruz met today ...Cruz will be speaking at convention...said he'd be happy to do so and they will be working together on issues they agree on.....this is good news!

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #248 on: July 07, 2016, 08:22:42 pm »
Joe, ...just posted...Trump and Cruz met today ...Cruz will be speaking at convention...said he'd be happy to do so and they will be working together on issues they agree on.....this is good news!

Truly good news.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/politics/donald-trump-meets-with-ted-cruz-reince-priebus/

Still holding out hope Cruz could be VP. He's definitely not GOPe.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #249 on: July 07, 2016, 08:23:19 pm »
Joe, ...just posted...Trump and Cruz met today ...Cruz will be speaking at convention...said he'd be happy to do so and they will be working together on issues they agree on.....this is good news!

Please link to where Cruz said anything about working together with Trump.
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