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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #175 on: July 05, 2016, 06:36:53 pm »
IMHO the super rich have been doing that for generations. It's the only way in my mind how the millionaires and billionaires like Trump seem to always come out ahead no matter who is in office.
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« Reply #176 on: July 05, 2016, 07:15:11 pm »
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #177 on: July 05, 2016, 11:15:15 pm »
The destruction/feminization of the military has been accelerating rapidly the last few years under Obama, and there is zero chance Hillary would even attempt to slow that down.  I believe the most recent changes are still reversible, but they won't be in 4 years.  The core masculine leadership of the military, both enlisted and officer, will either be gone, or completely co-opted.

The chance that Trump might stop something that critical, that is otherwise irreversible, is enough for me to vote for him the general election.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #178 on: July 06, 2016, 12:55:22 pm »
Trump is the Left's nominee too.

I hate Trump with a passion as much as Hillary. Neither of them should become President.

There's something seriously wrong with your thinking here if you believe Hillary and Trump are equally bad.

Hillary is a known product of the corrupt Establishment status quo while Trump is a blank canvas politically.

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« Reply #179 on: July 06, 2016, 12:59:36 pm »
There's something seriously wrong with your thinking here if you believe Hillary and Trump are equally bad.

Hillary is a known product of the corrupt Establishment status quo while Trump is a blank canvas politically.

There is no bigger crony capitalist in America than Donald J. Trump. 

Trump and Hillary are both pathological liars.  What makes Trump worse is that he's mentally unstable.
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« Reply #180 on: July 06, 2016, 01:27:29 pm »
There is no bigger crony capitalist in America than Donald J. Trump. 

Trump and Hillary are both pathological liars.  What makes Trump worse is that he's mentally unstable.

And you don't believe Hillary is mentally unstable? [when we all know she is]

I'm not buying any of the rhetoric that might sway someone to vote for her. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU AND THE OTHERS ARE DOING

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« Reply #181 on: July 06, 2016, 01:28:47 pm »
Rather have a crony capitalist than a corporate socialist.

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« Reply #182 on: July 06, 2016, 01:33:05 pm »

I'm not buying any of the rhetoric that might sway someone to vote for her. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU AND THE OTHERS ARE DOING

We're trying to defeat Trump and Trumpism.   The best way is to stop this dangerous clown from being nominated.  Failing that, I'm prepared to vote for the lesser of two evils.   Do I want Clinton to be the next President?  Hell, no.   But I am duty bound to clean up the mess folks like you created.   

 

 
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« Reply #183 on: July 06, 2016, 01:34:31 pm »
There's something seriously wrong with your thinking here if you believe Hillary and Trump are equally bad.

Hillary is a known product of the corrupt Establishment status quo while Trump is a blank canvas politically.

Trump is far more dangerous than Clinton.   He's unstable, and he's supported by alt-right dregs and droogs.   
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #184 on: July 06, 2016, 01:47:55 pm »
And you don't believe Hillary is mentally unstable? [when we all know she is]

I'm not buying any of the rhetoric that might sway someone to vote for her. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU AND THE OTHERS ARE DOING
I'm not voting for either one of them, which I have been assured is a vote for both of them, or some such BS.
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« Reply #185 on: July 06, 2016, 02:02:56 pm »
I understand the never Trump people aren't responsible for what happens to him in the general because they tried to prevent him from winning the primary, but the simple truth is Bill and Hillary go back to the White House if Trump loses. I'm not sure what Trump stands for. I have no idea how he'll act when he's president, but I know exactly what to expect from Hillary Clinton. She got off scott-free with the email blunder and now you're going to sit idly while she waltzes into the White House? I'm surprised spite alone isn't rallying people to shut her down. The political establishment on both sides hates Donald Trump. If he does anything crazy they will impeach him in a heartbeat. How is taking a chance with Donald not preferable to watching Queen Hillary get her way?
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« Reply #186 on: July 06, 2016, 02:06:44 pm »
I understand the never Trump people aren't responsible for what happens to him in the general because they tried to prevent him from winning the primary, but the simple truth is Bill and Hillary go back to the White House if Trump loses. I'm not sure what Trump stands for. I have no idea how he'll act when he's president, but I know exactly what to expect from Hillary Clinton. She got off scott-free with the email blunder and now you're going to sit idly while she waltzes into the White House? I'm surprised spite alone isn't rallying people to shut her down.

Trump was the wrong nominee before yesterday, and he's still the wrong nominee.  I don't even factor Hillary into the equation in my evaluation of Trump.

I'll have no part in putting a mentally unstable demagogue in the White House. 
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« Reply #187 on: July 06, 2016, 02:08:13 pm »
According to Real Clear Politics projection of Electoral College votes, the following are the toss-up states (and 1 district):
Arizona (11)
Colorado (9)
Florida (29)
Georgia (16)
Iowa (6)
Michigan (16)
Nevada (6)
New Hampshire (4)
North Carolina (15)
Ohio (18)
Pennsylvania (20)
Virginia (13)
Maine CD2 (1)

Of these Clinton needs 60 (currently projected at 210) and Trump needs 106 (currently projected at 164).  You can make your own conclusions as to who will get what state.

If a third party can make inroads in any of these states, or take away any both the others, it would deny everyone from the 270 magic number. and could change the direction of the country.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_elections_electoral_college_map.html
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« Reply #188 on: July 06, 2016, 02:14:33 pm »
Trump was the wrong nominee before yesterday, and he's still the wrong nominee.  I don't even factor Hillary into the equation in my evaluation of Trump.

I'll have no part in putting a mentally unstable demagogue in the White House.

If he's trouble he'll get impeached easily. Your stand against Trump is helping Hillary. I understand you're a principled person and that Trump crosses lines that are important to you, but sometimes you have to make an ugly choice to prevent an even uglier outcome. This is all so frustrating. I really don't want to see Hillary win.
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« Reply #189 on: July 06, 2016, 02:20:05 pm »
If he's trouble he'll get impeached easily. Your stand against Trump is helping Hillary. I understand you're a principled person and that Trump crosses lines that are important to you, but sometimes you have to make an ugly choice to prevent an even uglier outcome. This is all so frustrating. I really don't want to see Hillary win.
If not supporting Trump is helping Hillary, then by not supporting Hillary am I helping Trump? If so, considering I do not support either then I'm supporting both?

All these logical contortions are getting hard to follow.

Let's just say I'm not voting for a New York Liberal and leave it at that.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #190 on: July 06, 2016, 02:30:19 pm »
If not supporting Trump is helping Hillary, then by not supporting Hillary am I helping Trump? If so, considering I do not support either then I'm supporting both?

All these logical contortions are getting hard to follow.

Let's just say I'm not voting for a New York Liberal and leave it at that.

I just want to see Hillary lose, and I wish people like you would help me. I want her to have to live with the fact that she lost to Donald Trump. If she's above the law then fine, but God please keep her out of the White House at least.
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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #191 on: July 06, 2016, 02:35:15 pm »
I just want to see Hillary lose, and I wish people like you would help me. I want her to have to live with the fact that she lost to Donald Trump. If she's above the law then fine, but God please keep her out of the White House at least.

Trump disagrees with you.


As Hillary's good pal, he's been working on helping her get in the WH since this whole debacle began.
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« Reply #192 on: July 06, 2016, 02:38:45 pm »
If he's trouble he'll get impeached easily. Your stand against Trump is helping Hillary. I understand you're a principled person and that Trump crosses lines that are important to you, but sometimes you have to make an ugly choice to prevent an even uglier outcome. This is all so frustrating. I really don't want to see Hillary win.

Are we really desperate enough to elect a man we hope will be impeached? Seriously? 

Honestly, I think we have a very good idea of what Trump would do as president.  He's a proven lifelong liberal, crook, and con man who's pathetically ignorant and dangerously unstable.  He's as much of a raging narcissist as the person who currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania. 

I don't have a lot of patience with the (as I see it) tendency of people who recall the Clinton years to build Hillary up into some kind of unconquerable, super-human force.  As bad as she is---and she is VERY bad---when some of us think about Hillary, we lose all perspective and sink into gibbering panic. It's as though she's a mythical Godzilla and no one could ever be AS bad.  But of course someone could be as bad, and he's running with an "R" behind his name.

I detest both of those liberal criminals and I wouldn't dream of supporting either.  But since you say our stance is helping Hillary, I guess you can take comfort in the fact that our stance against Hillary is helping Trump.  So we cancel ourselves out.  There's that, at least...right?

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« Reply #193 on: July 06, 2016, 02:53:00 pm »
Trump disagrees with you.


As Hillary's good pal, he's been working on helping her get in the WH since this whole debacle began.

If that's true then a Donald Trump win would turn their plan on its head. If that's true Donald Trump has no real desire to ever be president. How would he react to winning? If Hillary wins then it all went according to plan. Why not disrupt their plan instead?
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« Reply #194 on: July 06, 2016, 03:05:53 pm »
If that's true then a Donald Trump win would turn their plan on its head. If that's true Donald Trump has no real desire to ever be president. How would he react to winning? If Hillary wins then it all went according to plan. Why not disrupt their plan instead?

Better suggestion.  Let's get rid of Trump legitimately at the convention.

Then we don't have to engage in all this ridiculous espionage.  We can beat Hillary outright with practically anyone else.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Re: Why we mustn't support Donald Trump
« Reply #195 on: July 06, 2016, 03:29:27 pm »
I just want to see Hillary lose, and I wish people like you would help me. I want her to have to live with the fact that she lost to Donald Trump. If she's above the law then fine, but God please keep her out of the White House at least.
I won't vote for Hillary to keep her out of the WH.  I won't for Trump to keep him out of the WH.  Not voting for either is intended to keep BOTH out.  I will support and vote for someone who faithfully pledges to support and defend the constitution, not some cockamamie ideas to get votes. Neither of the two main party candidates willfully pledge to do that.
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« Reply #196 on: July 06, 2016, 03:30:38 pm »
Not voting for either is intended to keep BOTH out.

Good luck with that.
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« Reply #197 on: July 06, 2016, 03:57:26 pm »
We're trying to defeat Trump and Trumpism.   The best way is to stop this dangerous clown from being nominated.  Failing that, I'm prepared to vote for the lesser of two evils.   Do I want Clinton to be the next President?  Hell, no.   But I am duty bound to clean up the mess folks like you created.
 

You should find a different site if you would vote for that evil bitch. Seriously you will be a pariah.

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« Reply #198 on: July 06, 2016, 04:02:09 pm »
I understand the never Trump people aren't responsible for what happens to him in the general because they tried to prevent him from winning the primary, but the simple truth is Bill and Hillary go back to the White House if Trump loses. I'm not sure what Trump stands for. I have no idea how he'll act when he's president, but I know exactly what to expect from Hillary Clinton. She got off scott-free with the email blunder and now you're going to sit idly while she waltzes into the White House? I'm surprised spite alone isn't rallying people to shut her down. The political establishment on both sides hates Donald Trump. If he does anything crazy they will impeach him in a heartbeat. How is taking a chance with Donald not preferable to watching Queen Hillary get her way?




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« Reply #199 on: July 06, 2016, 04:03:35 pm »
Trump was the wrong nominee before yesterday, and he's still the wrong nominee.  I don't even factor Hillary into the equation in my evaluation of Trump.

I'll have no part in putting a mentally unstable demagogue in the White House.
 
Yes you will....worse than that.