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The Trumpster Fire
« on: June 21, 2016, 03:15:05 pm »
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/campaigns-elections/donald-trump-fec-fundraising-trumpster-fire/

The Trumpster Fire

JOHN PODHORETZ /

JUNE 21, 2016

The astounding news last night was that Donald Trump’s campaign had $1.8 million in cash on hand—roughly 40 times less money in the bank than Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and an amount that would be minimally acceptable for, say, a contested congressional race in a mid-size state. If anything—anything—can encourage a revolt at the Republican convention against Trump, this is it. For what it says to political professionals is something so simple my grandmother would have been able to sum it up in a few words: As a politician, Trump is a lazy good-for-nothing bum.

Fundraising is the chore of American politics. It’s tiresome, repetitive, grueling work. Some people like chores. They are good at them and take pleasure from them, but most don’t—and yet, they do it anyway. You may not like the fact that politicians raise money or spend so much time at it, but trust me, they don’t like it all that much either. They do so because American politics has a dynamic to it. You need to run negative ads against your rival because your rival is going to run negative ads against you, and you need to neutralize your rival’s.

You need to run positive ads to define yourself to the voter because the media is not going to do it the way you think it needs to be done. You need to spend a lot of money on getting out the vote because you can be sure the other team is going to do the same, and a rival organization’s ability to turn out 1,000 people more per county in the 11 or 12 battleground states that will decide the election will be the difference between a narrow loss and a narrow win.

Trump’s claim is that he doesn’t need money because he gets attention. Yes—so much attention that in the primaries he blew away the more conventional candidacies that spent money in conventional ways. But he was up there against eight or nine unfocused rivals. Now he’s up against one and, as it happens, Hillary Clinton is also one of the most famous and controversial people in America. His advantage is neutralized. And when your advantage is neutralized, you need to bolster those areas in which you do not have an advantage. To do that, you need to raise and spend money. And he’s not doing that because he doesn’t want to.

Trump’s decision to sit in his skivvies in Trump Tower and phone into the Fox News Channel when he’s not on the road at big rallies making jokes about how Elizabeth Warren is or is not Pocahontas is, to people who take the art of practical politics seriously, definitive proof that he is a dilettante who has managed to bluff his way into the highest-stakes political game in the world.

Now there’s no more bluffing. Now there are actual contests. There’s a contest of ideas, and if the polling is to be believed, he and Hillary are close to being a wash with the general electorate when it comes to the matters on which he crushed his Republican rivals in the primaries. There’s a contest of practical skills, when it comes to figuring out whom to target to get the votes needed and where. That takes a huge amount of money to be spent on the data analytics Trump pooh-poohs and old-fashioned bell-ringing and community organizing. Here he’s so far behind there’s almost no way he can possibly catch up.

Trump doesn’t feel like raising money. Fine. He made a big point of the fact during the primaries that he didn’t have to, that he’s worth $10 billion, that he can and will self-fund. But he isn’t worth $10 billion, he can’t self-fund, and clearly, he won’t. Indeed, what self-funding he has done thus far has a reflexive quality; it appears from his Federal Election Commission filings that a considerable portion of the tiny amount of money his campaign is raising is going back to the Trump Organization to pay for Trump facilities used in the course of his campaign.

These numbers are so disastrous that they mean it would be nothing less than malpractice for Republican delegates not to consider seriously the possibility of ditching Trump at the convention. If he doesn’t revolutionize his campaign. It’s at this point that prudence should dictate caution on my part. I should say no one thought Trump would win the nomination and he did, so maybe he knows things I don’t know. Maybe he’s going to prove that spending hundreds of millions of dollars is unnecessary if you have the right message and he can, therefore, change politics forever for the good.

OK, I said it. Now here’s the truth. He’s losing by six or seven points now, before the Hillary deluge. He isn’t ahead in a single state Barack Obama won in 2012, which means without an alteration in the playing field, Hillary is on track to receive at least 332 electoral votes (she needs 270 to win). How’s he going to alter the playing field? With a hat? With a taco bowl? With an insulting name for her running mate?

Sure, it would be ugly beyond belief for Trump to be ousted in Cleveland. But it’s going to be ugly beyond belief anyway.
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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2016, 03:25:05 pm »
Yep, I think this one may do Trump in.
Of course, we've all thought that, at one point in time, during this campaign.

Bye bye  :seeya:

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2016, 03:29:14 pm »
Trump certainly does seem to be doing everything possible to encourage a rebellion at the convention.  He has shown absolutely no skills in negotiating with the various factions of the party.  Where are those incredible deal-making skills we keep hearing about?  The convention is practically at hand and very few of his biggest primary opponents have endorsed him.

I hope he will come to realize the futility of this campaign and settle for using his leverage to determine the ultimate nominee.

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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2016, 03:33:34 pm »
Yep, I think this one may do Trump in.
Of course, we've all thought that, at one point in time, during this campaign.

Bye bye  :seeya:

True, but this time, the general-election populace who must now buy into Trump's game.  They're far more discerning than his devoted bloc of followers.
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2016, 03:33:45 pm »
If I recall, Ben Carson still has more cash on hand than Trump does. 

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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2016, 03:35:13 pm »
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Trump certainly does seem to be doing everything possible to encourage a rebellion at the convention.

And that is one endeavor Trump has my full support in!
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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2016, 03:38:28 pm »
True, but this time, the general-election populace who must now buy into Trump's game.  They're far more discerning than his devoted bloc of followers.
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2016, 03:43:38 pm »
Yep, I used to warn other people at TOS that "you ain't seen nothing yet"

And how many times did you get screamed out for being:

1)  A Hillary and uniparty supporter
2)  A "Lyin' Ted" dead-ender
3)  A "trump hater"
4)  A traitor, and
5)  (my favorite...) A "paid GOP-E troll"
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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2016, 03:48:07 pm »
If I recall, Ben Carson still has more cash on hand than Trump does.

The presidential campaign of 2016 is lost, due to the idiot fraud lying don  and its  merry band of cultists.   Time to concentrate on saving as many Republicans downballot as we can.
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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2016, 03:51:23 pm »
And how many times did you get screamed out for being:

1)  A Hillary and uniparty supporter
2)  A "Lyin' Ted" dead-ender
3)  A "trump hater"
4)  A traitor, and
5)  (my favorite...) A "paid GOP-E troll"

LOL  :silly:

I once had someone ask me if I was actually Ted Cruz himself!!

Still looking for that 1st check to arrive, for being a  "paid GOP-E troll".
It hasn't shown up in my mailbox, for some reason.


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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2016, 03:54:05 pm »
Trump certainly does seem to be doing everything possible to encourage a rebellion at the convention.  He has shown absolutely no skills in negotiating with the various factions of the party.  Where are those incredible deal-making skills we keep hearing about?   The convention is practically at hand and very few of his biggest primary opponents have endorsed him.

I hope he will come to realize the futility of this campaign and settle for using his leverage to determine the ultimate nominee.

You bring up a very good point.  Where ARE these so-called great deal-making/negotiating skills Trump claims to have?  Has anyone seen ANY sign of that thus far?  I sure as hell haven't seen it.

Kind of scary to think that a man with his penchant for BSing and temperament and anger issues could be that close to our nuke codes.  He and Hillary have the same anger issues, in fact.  It's just that....Trump probably doesn't swear quite as much as she does.
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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2016, 04:01:44 pm »
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Sure, it would be ugly beyond belief for Trump to be ousted in Cleveland. But it’s going to be ugly beyond belief anyway.

Ugly beyond belief is what I've been thinking all along ....about Trump's 'real' agenda.  That being, setting up a sure-win for his good bud, Hillary (and Bill).   If what I've been thinking turns out to be true, it would be the ultimate betrayal and act of treachery.  Ugly doesn't even begin to describe it.  And I am not the only one thinking or suspecting it.

Let's hope I'm (we're) wrong.  Cause if not, this nation is headed for turmoil like this nation, or the world, has never seen before.
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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2016, 04:09:03 pm »
You bring up a very good point.  Where ARE these so-called great deal-making/negotiating skills Trump claims to have?  Has anyone seen ANY sign of that thus far?  I sure as hell haven't seen it.

Kind of scary to think that a man with his penchant for BSing and temperament and anger issues could be that close to our nuke codes.  He and Hillary have the same anger issues, in fact.  It's just that....Trump probably doesn't swear quite as much as she does.

I guess Trump's negotiating "skills" diminish greatly if he can't bring his real life Luca Brassi to the table and there aren't any looming horse head threats.

BTW, I'd be willing to bet that Trump's harem at TOS remain unfazed by the new revelations. They are still hoping that he will chose them.
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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2016, 04:12:55 pm »
LOL  :silly:

I once had someone ask me if I was actually Ted Cruz himself!!

Still looking for that 1st check to arrive, for being a  "paid GOP-E troll".
It hasn't shown up in my mailbox, for some reason.

Aw, man... to be "accused" of being Ted himself... now THAT would be the highest of compliments!!   I never got an "accusation" like that thrown at me... if I decide to re-engage over there, I'm going to have to try harder for one.   Congrats!!!

And I'm still waiting on MY GOP-E check, too!   :silly:
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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2016, 04:18:35 pm »
Rich Cromwell@rcromwell4

Given the now undeniable and epic failures of the Trump campaign, it's becoming impossible to deny he's a Republican.

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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2016, 04:20:46 pm »
And how many times did you get screamed out for being:

1)  A Hillary and uniparty supporter
2)  A "Lyin' Ted" dead-ender
3)  A "trump hater"
4)  A traitor, and
5)  (my favorite...) A "paid GOP-E troll"

Hell we get that here from the same little group of Trump fanatics daily.

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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2016, 04:22:47 pm »
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it would be nothing less than malpractice for Republican delegates not to consider seriously the possibility of ditching Trump at the convention.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."---Jefferson

A convention revolt.  It's our last chance.  If Trump ain't dumped it's President Hillary Clinton for sure.
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2016, 04:24:24 pm »
Hillary needs Trump out there to win.

If he gets dumped at the convention, she needs to name him as her VP.

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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2016, 04:30:40 pm »
Aw, man... to be "accused" of being Ted himself... now THAT would be the highest of compliments!!   I never got an "accusation" like that thrown at me... if I decide to re-engage over there, I'm going to have to try harder for one.   Congrats!!!

And I'm still waiting on MY GOP-E check, too!   :silly:

Yes, I wear that as a Badge of Honor!

Once, while poking fun at one who was railing against Cruz, I wrote "Dewhurst, is that you?"

The classy response that was returned was "D____ebag, is that you?"

First class debating skills, for sure.
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2016, 04:35:29 pm »
The presidential campaign of 2016 is lost, due to the idiot fraud lying don  and its  merry band of cultists.   Time to concentrate on saving as many Republicans downballot as we can.


Sadly you are right.. I have been voting GOP for President since 1988.. Not this election.. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson and GOP Down ticket.
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Re: The Trumpster Fire
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2016, 05:22:57 pm »
Rich Cromwell@rcromwell4

Given the now undeniable and epic failures of the Trump campaign, it's becoming impossible to deny he's a Republican.
He wasn't competent enough to run as a Democrat.
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2016, 05:53:19 pm »
Hell we get that here from the same little group of Trump fanatics daily.

Yep, but they're relatively harmless.  They don't have JimRob and his maniacal menagerie of malicious madmen to give them top-cover over here.

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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2016, 06:37:30 pm »
Trump spent 50 million to defeat well funded (half a Billion) opponents. This paradigm of size of campaign chests is proven obsolete and irrelevant for this election. 
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