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Generally when a campaign uses their own offices or assets, they are applied as donations as 'services in kind' for the value of the service. In other words, if Joe Smith uses his home office, he categorizes that as a donation to the campaign 'in kind'.

This isn't being done this way, this is actual cash disbursements to these entities and people (ie, himself) including paying himself a salary.

In other words, he's funneling campaign cash - real economic value, not just "taxable income" - back to himself.  Or at least back to companies with his name on them.  Perhaps it has to be done in cash and not in kind because Trump doesn't really own those companies or else has restrictions from creditors that prevent him from making in kind use.  That suggests he's a lot poorer than he keeps saying he is.  I guess his "wealth" is just one more "truthful hyperbole" he likes to tell other people.

It's a good thing he's not made of wood like Pinocchio, otherwise his nose would be long enough to be out there at the heliopause with the voyager spacecraft. 

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In other words, he's funneling campaign cash - real economic value, not just "taxable income" - back to himself.  Or at least back to companies with his name on them.  Perhaps it has to be done in cash and not in kind because Trump doesn't really own those companies or else has restrictions from creditors that prevent him from making in kind use.  That suggests he's a lot poorer than he keeps saying he is.  I guess his "wealth" is just one more "truthful hyperbole" he likes to tell other people.

It's a good thing he's not made of wood like Pinocchio, otherwise his nose would be long enough to be out there at the heliopause with the voyager spacecraft.

Add money laundering to Trump's qualifications for fixing Washington.

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If I did this, I would be in jail..
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If @realDonaldTrump were fractionally as rich as he says he is,he would write a$200mm check to propel his campaign. He doesn't have the cash

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You really don't have a clue, do you?  :thud:  Taking campaign funds to enrich yourself is unethical and illegal, which on the surface this is what appears to be happening through his business enterprizes.  This is just one reason that trump cannot and will not be POTUS, he will pilfer taxpayer money at every opportunity...as he has done his entire life.

I've been saying for months, voting for stumpy is putting the fox in charge of a  $4 trillion henhouse.
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Something like this may be enough to trigger a petition to the RNC contest committee to challenge a candidate's qualification.

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This is penny ante stuff. If Trump really is going to hire the best, his first act as President will need to be to pardon and hire Bernie Madoff to run the treasury.
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LOL, so Trump does what any good Smart Businessman does uses his own instead of paying outsiders and you have NOTHING to attack him with over it. Its funny how you keep trying. What in your world is unethical for using your own stuff and following FEC donation rules on it?

Comparable example the lo-information people can get. Assume you own own a car. Instead of hiring taxis for your work you use your car for work and take the mileage deduction off your taxes for using it. Here Trump has resources that politicians would have to pay outside venders for such as office space, food, marketing, etc. Because of Campaign donation laws the Business are limited in how much they can "give" to him. So he pays them for the services they provide to the campaign.

The only thing this thread has shown is how clueless of real world some people are.

So what exactly is he "paying" Eric Trump Wine to do for him?
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It appears to be quite an amazing scam Orange Glorious has assembled for himself.  Some end up in prison for that type of activity.

Would embezzlement of campaign funds disqualify a candidate?

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So what exactly is he "paying" Eric Trump Wine to do for him?

I thought Trump said that he and his offspring don't drink.  Just make money off those who do??

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So what exactly is he "paying" Eric Trump Wine to do for him?

$5,000 for... something... I dunno...

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Generally when a campaign uses their own offices or assets, they are applied as donations as 'services in kind' for the value of the service. In other words, if Joe Smith uses his home office, he categorizes that as a donation to the campaign 'in kind'.

This isn't being done this way, this is actual cash disbursements to these entities and people (ie, himself) including paying himself a salary.

Paying himself to run for President? Unbelievable.
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Paying himself to run for President? Unbelievable.
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OK, I've been #NeverTrump for a while, but even so I'm kind of shocked at this level of brazen fraud going on... can we call him "Crooked Donald", yet?   **nononono*
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OK, I've been #NeverTrump for a while, but even so I'm kind of shocked at this level of brazen fraud going on... can we call him "Crooked Donald", yet?   **nononono*
We sure can! :beer:

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You really don't have a clue, do you?  :thud:  Taking campaign funds to enrich yourself is unethical and illegal, which on the surface this is what appears to be happening through his business enterprizes.  This is just one reason that trump cannot and will not be POTUS, he will pilfer taxpayer money at every opportunity...as he has done his entire life.
Look up home businesses. Until you RATS (Republicans Against Trump) have something more all you are doing is smearing what very likely is a small business using a home office. Like I said Prove its a fictional company and not a small business operating out of a home office which would be in line with such a small amount. For all you know its a mail forwarding small business by a handicapped person. Really, this entire Hyperbole is because its a house. No evidence its fraud.
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Until you RATS (Republicans Against Trump) have something more all you are doing is smearing what very likely is a small business using a home office.
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Look up home businesses. Until you RATS (Republicans Against Trump) have something more all you are doing is smearing what very likely is a small business using a home office. Like I said Prove its a fictional company and not a small business operating out of a home office which would be in line with such a small amount. For all you know its a mail forwarding small business by a handicapped person. Really, this entire Hyperbole is because its a house. No evidence its fraud.


That explains it!  Trump Tower is just a home office!

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Look up home businesses. Until you RATS (Republicans Against Trump) have something more all you are doing is smearing what very likely is a small business using a home office. Like I said Prove its a fictional company and not a small business operating out of a home office which would be in line with such a small amount. For all you know its a mail forwarding small business by a handicapped person. Really, this entire Hyperbole is because its a house. No evidence its fraud.

Not a mail forwarding business by a handicapped person.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-donald-trump-paying-a-fictional-ad-agency/

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The payments to "Draper Sterling" were buried in Trump's FEC report for the month of May, which was released on Monday. The disclosure said the entity was headquartered in a suburban New Hampshire home owned by Jonathan Adkins, who also owns a political "data analytics" company called "Dynamic Solutions Systems."

Adkins is the co-founder of a medical device start-up alongside Paul Holzer, a former Navy SEAL who has worked in Massachusetts and Missouri for Republican candidates. Adkins and Holzer were also each payed $3,000 for "field consulting" by the Trump campaign in May, ThinkProgress notes, and Holzer listed his address as Adkins house, the same place where Draper Sterling is apparently headquartered.

And from there, according to ThinkProgress, the situation just gets stranger.

Draper Sterling's one other apparent mention in public documents surfaces in a May complaint against "Patriots For America," a federal super PAC involved in Missouri's gubernatorial race. According to the complaint, Patriots for America has a $56,234 debt to a "mysterious" group called "Draper Sterling, LLC," which the economics professor who filed the complaint characterized as "highly unusual" and possibly illegal.


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/donald-trump-fec-filing-mysterious-details

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The number listed by McLain for “Patriots For America” forwards to a voicemail for Grace’s Grantham Cafe, a New Hampshire coffee shop that, according to its website, was supposed to open on Memorial Day. Grace’s Grantham Cafe is registered to Jon Adkins, the same person who registered Draper Sterling.

When ThinkProgress called Grace’s Grantham Cafe directly on the number listed on its website, Adam McLain answered. (McLain’s super PAC filing says he lives Virginia.)

Asked about his connection to Draper Sterling and what services it provided to his super PAC, McLain said he had “no comment.” Asked whether Grace’s Grantham Cafe was a real cafe that has opened, McLain said he had “no comment.” Asked whether Paul Holzer was his brother, McLain also said he had “no comment.” McLain said he didn’t find the questions “relevant.” Neither Adkins or Holzer immediately returned inquires from ThinkProgress. An inquiry to the Trump campaign about what services Draper Sterling provided was also not immediately returned.

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Look up home businesses. Until you RATS (Republicans Against Trump) have something more all you are doing is smearing what very likely is a small business using a home office. Like I said Prove its a fictional company and not a small business operating out of a home office which would be in line with such a small amount. For all you know its a mail forwarding small business by a handicapped person. Really, this entire Hyperbole is because its a house. No evidence its fraud.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/21/what_is_draper_sterling_we_knocked_on_the_door_to_find_out.html
They certainly don't seem to be a home office. '


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I drove to Draper Sterling on Tuesday to see what was going on at this plucky local advertising firm doing well-remunerated work for a national presidential campaign. The address took me down a winding residential street. Near the end of a dead-end road was a two-story home with a tidy yard. A little girl peeked out the window as I approached, and a woman who appeared to be in her 50s answered the door, opening it just a crack.


This was Sharon, Jon Adkins’ mother-in-law. “I don’t know what he does,” she told me. “All I do is I watch his kids.” That seemed unusual! My in-laws know what I do for a living, and they live in an entirely different state. “He’s in the medical field,” Sharon finally told me warily, eventually naming XenoTherapeutics, another company that Adkins and Holzer have been involved with. “I know that he does a lot of business out of Boston. Whatever he does, I don’t know.”


OK, yes, she went on, he’s done some kind of political work—she wouldn’t say what—but it was in Massachusetts, not New Hampshire. “I don’t get into politics, I don’t care about it, I don’t even think I’m going to vote this year because I don’t like either one,” she told me, repeating what seemed to be the most important point to her: “I don’t get into his business.” That was all she would say. “Go find Trump!” she advised me. Update, Tuesday, June 21, 2016, 3 p.m.: I also spoke with a garrulous, handsy German man who identified himself as Adkins’ father-in-law; when I asked him if he’d heard of Draper Sterling, he replied, “Yes,” but added, “I don’t know nothing.”
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/21/what_is_draper_sterling_we_knocked_on_the_door_to_find_out.html
They certainly don't seem to be a home office. '
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So you have proof the reporter that knocked on the door is lying because he works for Slate?
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