possible Russian invasion into Crimea, further, Odessa, immenent

[RaceBannon]

I have friends who are in Ukraine, NOW

OSCE has finally come clean and stated that they've recorded hundreds of russian tanks, artillery and nearly 40,000 (yes, forty THOUSAND) russian troops coming into Lugansk/Donetsk.
1) I think they will push through Mariupol and make their land bridge to Crimea.
2) Not be satisfied with that, they will likely push towards Odessa.
3) If Odessa goes, then Kharkov will collapse within hours.
You heard it here first.

[TomSea]

This is really something that should have some sort of backup; really. Totally respect one's view but still.

That's why I try to watch Fox News everyday and hope folks give their website a lot of traffic.

[TomSea]

Russians struck Syrian Rebels true, this has been in the news since yesterday and 51 diplomats were urging the President to strike at Assad.

From our inept leftist administration to the gangster regime of Russia; we sure could use something better.

[RaceBannon]

My friends are missionaries, they arent lying

they may not have accurate sources, but, they arent lying. 

[TomSea]

Russia already took over Crimea, I don't see what they can do there.  They could send more troops there but they already maintain a presence.

[RaceBannon]

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/247491

nothing new on their site, so, I am wondering where they got the news from?

[RaceBannon]

Russia already took over Crimea, I don't see what they can do there.  They could send more troops there but they already maintain a presence.

Not all of it, but the eastern side of the black sea, Odessa...

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/247491

[TomSea]

I use to go to some website, Conflict News or something, I can't remember.

It's bad enough in Eastern Ukraine as it is reported; that I'm wary of the situation. Everyday a conflict map is posted.



So, nonetheless, plenty of tension remains and things have picked up and become worse over there in the past few weeks. Ukraine is up against it sadly.

One can see a current buffer zone.

Above graphic via Radio Free Europe.

[geronl]

I guess they figured they had better do it now since NATO was flexing its muscle and acting like they were going to move on it very soon.  My guess is they think they have no choice.  Negotiations are dead.

Tyrannical Russia is alive and well. Too bad Ukraine gave up its nukes for peace. You can see how that worked out.

[geronl]

NATO and the west have done nothing to help Ukraine.

[WAC]

US Gov. said they were going to take out Assad one way or the other....Putin of course has always made clear he will defend Syria from a US led government.......If the US backed terrorists bombs Assad forces Putin will obviously fight back to protest Assad.

Every time there's favorable negotiations between Assad and those opposing him, it's the US that won't sign on the agreements because they will only go along if Assad is out of the equation, even if there is agreement otherwise between the warring parties. Obama and Hillary want to install a US backed Government as they did in Ukraine....

[WAC]

NATO and the west have done nothing to help Ukraine.

They're there for the spoils as we know, and control as much as possible of the Governance.  As for helping Ukraine...nah.....otherwise there wouldn't be a candy man in office now. Europe's not doing much either. Ukraine will NEVER be a part of the EU nor Nato but they like to pretend so.

[WAC]

Not all of it, but the eastern side of the black sea, Odessa...

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/247491

Odessa  might as well be part of Russia....they'll never forgive 'Kiev' for the burning and horrible murder of their people there.

Wonder if this move by Russia has to do with the Poisoning of 284 people recently in Odessa.

[WAC]

Few want to help Ukraine as too much money goes to the wrong people and places......this guy just arrested....450 million gone!

Katsuba was detained in Kyiv on June 17 on suspicion of committing a crime under article 255 (creation of a criminal organization) and 191 (misappropriation of property through abuse of office)......The investigation found that Katsuba had been involved in embezzlement of Naftogaz (Gas) funds to the tune of almost UAH 450 million.

(Other news says his brothers were also involved...one of which is on the most wanted list until recently.)

http://uatoday.tv/crime/naftogaz-ex-deputy-chairman-arrested-in-kyiv-675128.html

Former deputy head of Naftogaz

[geronl]

Obama and Hillary want to install a US backed Government as they did in Ukraine....

That is retarded. The US did not install a government in Ukraine. The people of Ukraine booted out a Moscow puppet and that angered KGB Putin. The west has done little to nothing to help the country of Ukraine.

[geronl]

Few want to help Ukraine as too much money goes to the wrong people and places......this guy just arrested....450 million gone!

and people are getting arrested for it now that the Moscow puppet is gone. The Moscow puppet looted and raped Ukraine for many years before the people ousted his corrupt regime.

[sitetest]

NATO and the west have done nothing to help Ukraine.

And will do even less if stumpy, putin's pal, ascends to the throne.

I figure putin is acting now because hitlery might win, and she would be slightly less pliable than putin's pal.

[TomSea]

US Gov. said they were going to take out Assad one way or the other....Putin of course has always made clear he will defend Syria from a US led government.......If the US backed terrorists bombs Assad forces Putin will obviously fight back to protest Assad.

Every time there's favorable negotiations between Assad and those opposing him, it's the US that won't sign on the agreements because they will only go along if Assad is out of the equation, even if there is agreement otherwise between the warring parties. Obama and Hillary want to install a US backed Government as they did in Ukraine....

Assad the Terrorist helped grow ISIS really more than anyone else,

Fact is during the Bush administration, we almost expanded the war into Syria.

Fact, Assad harbored Saddam's brother and was forced to give him up.

Fact, Terrorists planned attacks and had terrorist camps to attack US forces from Syria because of Assad.

[TomSea]

Odessa  might as well be part of Russia....they'll never forgive 'Kiev' for the burning and horrible murder of their people there.

Wonder if this move by Russia has to do with the Poisoning of 284 people recently in Odessa.

There is no proof of whom burned those people, could have been a Russian operation. Let alone forgetting whom shot an airliner out of the sky. No one wants to belong to Russia, not Ukraine, not Moldova, not Belarus, no one.

[TomSea]

Few want to help Ukraine as too much money goes to the wrong people and places......this guy just arrested....450 million gone!

Katsuba was detained in Kyiv on June 17 on suspicion of committing a crime under article 255 (creation of a criminal organization) and 191 (misappropriation of property through abuse of office)......The investigation found that Katsuba had been involved in embezzlement of Naftogaz (Gas) funds to the tune of almost UAH 450 million.

(Other news says his brothers were also involved...one of which is on the most wanted list until recently.)

http://uatoday.tv/crime/naftogaz-ex-deputy-chairman-arrested-in-kyiv-675128.html

Former deputy head of Naftogaz

And Russia does not have corruption?

[TomSea]

Russia, athletes banned from Olympics, soccer supporters in trouble in France and Germany. Really tells one something, and yet, some defend the government of Russia.

[TomSea]

Syria aided in bombing the US Marine barracks killing 250 Marines; those were the Assads.

Syria clearly is the corridor that weapons go to Hamas and Hezbollah from Iran, terrorist groups.

Let alone,  ISIS is full of Russian speakers.

[WAC]

and people are getting arrested for it now that the Moscow puppet is gone. The Moscow puppet looted and raped Ukraine for many years before the people ousted his corrupt regime.

I think you're missing my point.....I'm not arguing about the removal of Yanukovych, that was well underway by the elections before the protests were hyjacked.  Everyone knows Ukraines politics and government has been fully corrupt since it became a nation. And that's just not going to change no matter who is President as we see now..... Tymoshenko continues to be involved and her share of the pot , as well as others down the line....so as long as they keep installing these nitwits there won't be a change....and the US Gov. has a huge say in that......Yatsenyuk , one of our guys from the get go, appointed a U.S.  State Department official, Natalie Jaresko over Ukraines' finances as the Minister of Ukraine....that' IS US governnance and she was just one of a line of many.’

The Oligarchs continue to control much of Ukraine and aren't going away any time soon as the US has well noted.


As for US Investment in $$$$$$$$$$$$$ Loans and guarantees to Ukraine....the numbers are stunningly high....which you can read here.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL33460.pdf

[TomSea]

I think you're missing my point.....I'm not arguing about the removal of Yanukovych, that was well underway by the elections before the protests were hyjacked.  Everyone knows Ukraines politics and government has been fully corrupt since it became a nation. And that's just not going to change no matter who is President as we see now..... Tymoshenko continues to be involved and her share of the pot , as well as others down the line....so as long as they keep installing these nitwits there won't be a change....and the US Gov. has a huge say in that......Yatsenyuk , one of our guys from the get go, appointed a U.S.  State Department official, Natalie Jaresko over Ukraines' finances as the Minister of Ukraine....that' IS US governnance and she was just one of a line of many.’

The Oligarchs continue to control much of Ukraine and aren't going away any time soon as the US has well noted.


As for US Investment in $$$$$$$$$$$$$ Loans and guarantees to Ukraine....the numbers are stunningly high....which you can read here.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL33460.pdf

We know that area of the world is corrupt; having a criminal regime such as Russia stealing land and fomenting civil war isn't helping.

[geronl]

Ukraine and Argentina are now arresting the corrupt guys, they will be improving their rank.

Venezuela should be dark red.