Too many delegates talking, predicts DELEGATE FIGHT over Trump at convention #DonaldTrump

[ABX]

More and more of these stories are popping up.

Steve Deace was on MSNBC this morning where he predicted a delegate fight over Trump as the nominee at the convention in July. Deace said so many delegates are talking to him or talking amongst themselves, that’d he’d be surprised if there wasn’t a fight to replace Trump as the nominee.

Read more: http://therightscoop.com/steve-deace-too-many-delegates-talking-predicts-delegate-fight-over-trump-at-convention/#ixzz4BrAjeqsB

[sitetest]

I pray this happens.  I expect it won't.  The GOPe have their boy.

[thatcher]

I pray this happens.  I expect it won't.  The GOPe have their boy.

Your prayers will be answered.  Take it to the bank...

[Mechanicos]

[thatcher]

One of the few times he's right about something...I mean Trump.

[sitetest]

Your prayers will be answered.  Take it to the bank...

I hope so.

[thatcher]

No need to to be despondent about our choices any longer.

[RoosGirl]

Funny that some of the Trump supporters blame everyone except Trump for why he has such a low favorability.

[sinkspur]

There might be another way:


Ben Schreckinger
‏@SchreckReports

On the phone with a former Trump adviser: "I bet if someone offered him $150 million to drop out, he would."

[RoosGirl]

It's our fault you know.  How dare we live and breathe and think without being in full submission to them.

I'm not even necessarily talking about us.  I was more commenting on Mechanicos' little cartoon.  I interpret that as blaming the news outlets for why Trump is in the position he is in.  Seems to me if Trump could control his own mouth he'd be in a far better place.

[RoosGirl]

There might be another way:


Ben Schreckinger
‏@SchreckReports

On the phone with a former Trump adviser: "I bet if someone offered him $150 million to drop out, he would."

I have my suspicions about this.  As long as it isn't talked about too much in public, Trump might go through with it.  I'm not sure if his ego would allow him to otherwise.  Which is bigger with him, greed or ego?

[sitetest]

No need to to be despondent about our choices any longer.

Why?

[RoosGirl]

Oh.  I have him on ignore so I am blissfully unaware.  LOL!

LOL.  Well I think he has me on ignore.  So we're all talking at each other instead of to each other. :)

[Henry Noel]

There might be another way:


Ben Schreckinger
‏@SchreckReports

On the phone with a former Trump adviser: "I bet if someone offered him $150 million to drop out, he would."

He's probably already gotten at least that much from the Clintons.

[sitetest]

He's probably already gotten at least that much from the Clintons.

But who's to say he stay bought?

[HonestJohn]

There might be another way:


Ben Schreckinger
‏@SchreckReports

On the phone with a former Trump adviser: "I bet if someone offered him $150 million to drop out, he would."

And a chateau on the French Riviera.  You know the one... right next to Joseph-Desire Mobutu's and Jean-Claude Duvalier's.

[BigHomer]

I pray this happens.  I expect it won't.  The GOPe have their boy.

Yup

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Is there a law that Trump delegates have to vote for Trump?

It's a free country, no?

[RoosGirl]

Is there a law that Trump delegates have to vote for Trump?

It's a free country, no?

The rules for the conventions are made for that specific convention just prior to the convention starting.  With the exception of 1976 the delegates have been able to vote their conscience, they are not bound to the candidate that won their state.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

What about this FR post?

To: ErikJohnsky
RNC convention rule 16(a)(2) says otherwise. It says that faithless delegates will be punished for violating state rules if they try to vote against a bound candidate .
(2) For any manner of binding or allocating delegates under these rules, if a delegate (i) casts a vote for a presidential candidate at the national convention inconsistent with the delegate’s obligation under state law or state party rule, (ii) nominates or demonstrates support under Rule No. 40 for a presidential candidate other than the one to whom the delegate is bound or allocated under state law or state party rule, or (iii) fails in some other way to carry out the delegate’s affirmative duty under state law or state party rule to cast a vote at the national convention for a particular presidential candidate, the delegate shall be deemed to have concurrently resigned as a delegate and the delegate’s improper vote or nomination shall be null and void. Thereafter the secretary of the convention shall record the delegate’s vote or nomination in accordance with the delegate’s obligation under state law or state party rule. This subsection does not apply to delegates who are bound to a candidate who has withdrawn his or her candidacy, suspended or terminated his or her campaign, or publicly released his or her delegates.
This subsection is about enforcing state binding rules. It says at the top that a delegate who does not vote as the state directed them to will be discharged, and their vote will be recorded as the state initially directed.

Convention rules specifically DO enforce state binding rules.

-PJ

15 posted on 6/10/2016, 7:06:40 AM by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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[massadvj]

The fight will begin in the rules committee. It can change the rules before the convention begins.  You can expect a number of rules proposals from unbinding bound delegates to requiring a greater majority to achieve the nomination.  I expect Trump's people will be heavily in control of this committee, but it bears watching.

I think with each passing poll, as Trump sinks deeper and deeper, more and more people are becoming aware of what a catastrophe Trump will be for the GOP.

[mlizzy]

Your prayers will be answered.  Take it to the bank...

Hoot-rah on that!!

[ABX]

What about this FR post?

A petition can be made at the convention to the rules committee up until a day before the convention for a change in the rules. Delegates can also abstain- which isn't voting against, but simply not voting- thus preventing a success on the first ballot, freeing them up under the existing rules, to change their votes on subsequent ballots.

Another alternative that may be used (and possibly more likely as a rule change wouldn't be needed), under Rule 24, is someone can contest the validity of a candidate to the contest committee. Then the contest committee's rules come into play which do have provisions for disqualifying candidates (or delegates) due to, among other things, ethical or legal malfeasance.

[RoosGirl]

That wording is old.  This is the current wording of the rule.  I will have to research further, but we have talked about this a lot on prior posts.  I think it was @BuckeyeTexan that had a good explanation about how/why this rule could not apply.  I cannot remember right now.

RULE NO. 16  Election, Selection, Allocation, or Binding of Delegates and Alternate Delegates 
 (a)   Binding and Allocation.   
  (1)  Any statewide presidential preference vote that permits a choice among candidates for the Republican nomination for President of the United States in a primary, caucuses, or a state convention must be used to allocate and bind the state’s delegation to the national convention in either a proportional or winner-take-all manner, except for delegates and alternate delegates who appear on a ballot in a statewide election and are elected directly by primary voters. 
   (2)  The Secretary of the Convention shall faithfully announce and record each delegate’s vote in accordance with the delegate’s obligation under these rules, state law or state party rule.  If any delegate bound by these rules, state party rule or state law to vote for a presidential candidate at the national convention demonstrates support under Rule 40 for any person other than the candidate to whom he or she is bound, such support shall not be recognized.  Except as provided for by state law or state party rule, no presidential candidate shall have the power to remove a delegate.   

[XenaLee]

The fight will begin in the rules committee. It can change the rules before the convention begins.  You can expect a number of rules proposals from unbinding bound delegates to requiring a greater majority to achieve the nomination.  I expect Trump's people will be heavily in control of this committee, but it bears watching.

I think with each passing poll, as Trump sinks deeper and deeper, more and more people are becoming aware of what a catastrophe Trump will be for the GOP.

Which....is exactly why he decided to run as a Republican.  He's the spoiler candidate.