Top conservatives meet at secret dinner to discuss Cruz's future

[Silver Pines]

"Butterflies fly High in the Winter"

I repeat....

"Butterflies fly High in the Winter"

This message will self-destruct in ....5....4....3....2....

Now this is a man who knows his field.

[Oceander]

I stand corrected. Thank you. Yes, you are right. We certainly need more lawyers working in government.

By the way, creating an award winning reality show was a sideline for Donald Trump. His main gig continued to be building iconic properties across America and the globe, providing jobs and economic growth to entire regions of the country. His building projects revitalized historic but crumbling neighborhoods in New York City. His buildings changed the skyline of Manhattan and other cities across America.

But, you are right. He was merely a no-account reality show celebrity.

Donald Trump makes money from licensing his name.  Not from anything else.

[Norm Lenhart]

I swear, you guys have to stop spilling all of this information to the public!  Are you plotters or not?!

@SZonian

Screw Cruz. Screw Trump. I have my own plan for world domination. It involves caged liberals from the left AND the right, scantily clad Nord Valkyries astride Basset Hounds/Noble Steeds and a good bowel movement.

I shall rule from my throne of porcelain!
I AM THE POOP LORD!!!!!

[catfish1957]

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Donald Trump is eminently equipped to be president. No doubt about it.

Nothing like comedy in the morning..............

[Norm Lenhart]

Being a lawyer has absolutely nothing to do with Ted Cruz's readiness for the presidency. If it did, the constitution and contemporary writings of the founders would have reflected that preference; just as there is no prerequisite requirement that a Supreme Court justice be a lawyer.

The founders abhorred the thought of professional politicians. They wanted citizens to step up and serve in government...and then GO HOME.

Donald Trump is eminently equipped to be president. No doubt about it.

President of Zimbabwe? Yes.
President of the EU? Yes.

President of The USA? No. He's not. And all your rewriting reality and wishful thinking doesn't make him fit. I'd say you were entitled to your delusions, however they are causing actual harm to the country... Your delusions and the rest of the fanatics, that is.

You don't seem unintelligent, which leaves one option. You actively want to do more damage to the country.

[aligncare]

Right, because reality-show clowns are an improvement over Constitutional lawyers/scholars.  That seems to be where we find ourselves---in a celebrity culture.

Actually, his main gig isn't building "iconic properties".  It's licensing his name to others who build them. 

He's not even a very good businessman, as his supporters claim.  Though even if he were, and even if he were responsible for building half of Manhattan, those accomplishments would have nothing to do with his readiness for the presidency.


http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2016/02/26/If-Voters-Keep-Digging-They-ll-Find-Trump-Buried-Some-Really-Bad-Deals

Being a lawyer has absolutely nothing to do with Ted Cruz's readiness for the presidency. If it did, the constitution and contemporary writings of the founders would have reflected that preference; just as there is no prerequisite requirement that a Supreme Court justice be a lawyer.

The founders abhorred the thought of professional politicians. They wanted citizens to step up and serve in government...and then GO HOME.

Donald Trump is eminently equipped to be president. No doubt about it. By the way, you missed the part in my post about Donald Trump having built an empire. That took a lot of organizational skills and management savvy. Just thought I'd help you out locating it.

[RoosGirl]

I think Ted believes in the Dominionist "stuff," like his father does.

Ok.  I'm not going to pretend to know what someone else thinks unless they tell me.

[Silver Pines]

@SZonian

Screw Cruz. Screw Trump. I have my own plan for world domination. It involves caged liberals from the left AND the right, scantily clad Nord Valkyries astride Basset Hounds/Noble Steeds and a good bowel movement.

I shall rule from my throne of porcelain!
I AM THE POOP LORD!!!!!

File this under things I didn't need to know and wish I'd never learned...

[aligncare]

Well Cruz has not run a casino into bankruptcy.  So there's that.  Neither is he a part-time Twitter-slanderer and tabloid follower.  Are those the new presidential background requirements in your view?

Apparently you're unaware that the bottom fell out from the casino sector in Atlantic City around 1991 and 4 other major casinos declared BK in Atlantic city along with Mr. Trump.

And by the way, get it straight. It was a Chapter 11 reorganization according to the New York Times, and as a result, Trump gave up half his personal stake in the casino and sold his yacht and airline, according to the Washington Post. He continued to meet payroll and paid back his creditors. Get it straight, for once.

[Silver Pines]

Being a lawyer has absolutely nothing to do with Ted Cruz's readiness for the presidency. If it did, the constitution and contemporary writings of the founders would have reflected that preference; just as there is no prerequisite requirement that a Supreme Court justice be a lawyer.

The founders abhorred the thought of professional politicians. They wanted citizens to step up and serve in government...and then GO HOME.

Donald Trump is eminently equipped to be president. No doubt about it. By the way, you missed the part in my post about Donald Trump having built an empire. That took a lot of organizational skills and management savvy. Just thought I'd help you out locating it.

Cruz isn't just a lawyer, as has been pointed out to you by others on this thread.  He is a Constitutional lawyer and scholar; his arguments before the Supreme Court on the behalf U.S. sovereignty, religious liberty, and 2nd Amendment rights have had results beyond his home state of Texas.  His life to date has been committed to returning the government to the Constitution.

Cruz has held various positions in the private sector, as has been noted and as you conceded, which exclude him from your accusation that he is a "professional politician."  The reality is that he is only now running for his second term as Senator, which may very well propel him to another run at the presidency; the only reason you have a problem with this is because you somehow feel Cruz is a threat to Trump.  It's amazing, really.  Your guy has the nomination, and you still can't stop seething over Cruz.

Donald Trump, on the other hand, is an amoral habitual liar, a sleaze, and a conman.  He is ignorant of the Constitution and of the principles of small government and personal liberty.  He rode the coattails of his father's success and took advantage of the elder Trump's influence as long he as he could because he simply wasn't a good enough businessman to get by on his own.  I could provide you with other links, as I did in my earlier post, but I doubt they would be read anymore than the first one was.  You're intent on believing that your reality-show celebrity is the tycoon of the world...which, as I said, wouldn't make him any more fit for the presidency if it were true.

I have to admit, I'd really like to hear you describe, in specific detail, why Trump is "eminently equipped to be president."

[L9teen]

I think Ted believes in the Dominionist "stuff," like his father does.

I doubt the whole "dominionist" conspiracy crap and it's ridiculous that it keeps getting thrown out there.... But for the sake of the argument, I would rather have a president who believes Godly men should hold positions in the government and other such powerful/high offices, over those who don't believe at all.

As we can clearly see, this country has been run by those who don't believe in God at all (and are lying that they do), and it's painfully obvious how well THAT has worked for everyone.

So jeez, imagine everyone believing in a Higher Power, in a Creator, in a Divine Being, and holding to Biblical laws and Godly principles.  Imagine how much different our world would be.

Seems pretty damn fine to me and a hell of a lot better off, we would all be. :smash:

[austingirl]

Cruz isn't just a lawyer, as has been pointed out to you by others on this thread.  He is a Constitutional lawyer and scholar; his arguments before the Supreme Court on the behalf U.S. sovereignty, religious liberty, and 2nd Amendment rights have had results beyond his home state of Texas.  His life to date has been committed to returning the government to the Constitution.

Cruz has held various positions in the private sector, as has been noted and as you conceded, which exclude him from your accusation that he is a "professional politician."  The reality is that he is only now running for his second term as Senator, which may very well propel him to another run at the presidency; the only reason you have a problem with this is because you somehow feel Cruz is a threat to Trump.  It's amazing, really.  Your guy has the nomination, and you still can't stop seething over Cruz.

Donald Trump, on the other hand, is an amoral habitual liar, a sleaze, and a conman.  He is ignorant of the Constitution and of the principles of small government and personal liberty.  He rode the coattails of his father's success and took advantage of the elder Trump's influence as long he as he could because he simply wasn't a good enough businessman to get by on his own.  I could provide you with other links, as I did in my earlier post, but I doubt they would be read anymore than the first one was.  You're intent on believing that your reality-show celebrity is the tycoon of the world...which, as I said, wouldn't make him any more fit for the presidency if it were true.

I have to admit, I'd really like to hear you describe, in specific detail, why Trump is "eminently equipped to be president."

Excellent post. Well stated. I agree completely.

[Norm Lenhart]

File this under things I didn't need to know and wish I'd never learned...

Yea but you gotta admit it's a lot saner plan than electing Trump.

[Norm Lenhart]

Chapter 11 of what?  The BANKRUPTCY CODE.  It is Chapter 11 bankruptcy.  Or, "he filed bankruptcy under chapter 11."  However you want to word it.

Notice he left out that Reorgs 'payiing back" creditors mean they were paid back less than what they were owed. AKA "Screwing your creditors through bankruptcy".

And how many people lost jobs during this C11? He doesn't mention that in his orgy of excuses and word parsing either.

[XenaLee]

I still get a sick feeling thinking about what an absolute fiasco we are in the midst of.

I am a political orphan.

I agree.  I shudder to think what the left will have done TO America between now and 2020.  Will we even have elections by then?  We are sooo screwed, either way we turn now.  Holding out hope for a 'chance' four years from now seems like a long shot, at best....and a false hope, at worst.

And Cruz, they think, can do the same in 2020.

[Victoria33]

Oh my, a "secret" dinner.  So secret we know it happened and who was there.  So secret we know what was discussed.  If you and I had a "secret" dinner and told everyone we had it and what we said, would it be a "secret" dinner?  So, it boils down to this:  If you have dinner with someone and don't publicize it, it's a "secret" dinner.  When is the last time you had dinner with someone and didn't post it on the internet or tell the press?  You just had a "secret" dinner.

[aligncare]

Chapter 11 of what?  The BANKRUPTCY CODE.  It is Chapter 11 bankruptcy.  Or, "he filed bankruptcy under chapter 11."  However you want to word it.

Apparently, you're also unaware that many of the major successful corporations that you purchase stuff from and whose services you use have had failed products lines, bankruptcies, reorganizations and layoffs. Also, many of our top CEOs were fired early in their careers. Without a risk of failing, you don't expand personally or advance in business.

Risk taking is part of the business landscape.

[Victoria33]

As opposed to Trump's lust for the Oval Office?  Get real. 

Trump wants to win it to win it - and to make money off it.  He wants to sit at the presidential desk, have pictures made, then go home to Trump tower and add those pictures to his wall.  He will say anything and has, in order to get himself in that office. If he wins, he will be surprised when told he is supposed to show up at work EVERYDAY in that office.  I have read every time he holds a gathering, he flies home at the end of the day to sleep in his own bed in Trump Tower.  Expect president Trump to fly in Air Force One (or his own plane) to Trump Tower every day to sleep in his own bed.

I pray to God he is not elected.  I have already posted on this thread - if you have dinner with someone and didn't publicize it before it happened, you had a "secret" dinner.  The so called "secret" dinner on this thread was so "secret" we know who was there and what they said. 

[XenaLee]

Trump wants to win it to win it - and to make money off it.  He wants to sit at the presidential desk, have pictures made, then go home to Trump tower and add those pictures to his wall.  He will say anything and has, in order to get himself in that office. If he wins, he will be surprised when told he is supposed to show up at work EVERYDAY in that office.  I have read every time he holds a gathering, he flies home at the end of the day to sleep in his own bed in Trump Tower.  Expect president Trump to fly in Air Force One (or his own plane) to Trump Tower every day to sleep in his own bed.

I pray to God he is not elected.  I have already posted on this thread - if you have dinner with someone and didn't publicize it before it happened, you had a "secret" dinner.  The so called "secret" dinner on this thread was so "secret" we know who was there and what they said.

The term "secret dinner" is probably just leftie code words for "no press allowed".

[Victoria33]

I have the same concerns, but Trump will be the nominee whether we like it or not. Sen Cruz getting together with these other conservatives to plan for 2020 is a good indicator that Trump will be the nominee.

Trump will be the nominee (I still hope the delegates will save us and nominate someone else), but yesterday's poll showed 70% of Americans have a dislike of Trump, so he loses the general.  That poll showed Clinton with a negative of 50%+.  Poll also showed more trust Clinton to do a better job with terrorists than Trump.  Trump's numbers started going down after his response to the Florida killings.

Trump took credit for saying there would be more killings and it happened.  What stupid comments from him - I can take credit for knowing there would be more killings - how about you?

[libertybele]

Cruz isn't just a lawyer, as has been pointed out to you by others on this thread.  He is a Constitutional lawyer and scholar; his arguments before the Supreme Court on the behalf U.S. sovereignty, religious liberty, and 2nd Amendment rights have had results beyond his home state of Texas.  His life to date has been committed to returning the government to the Constitution.

Cruz has held various positions in the private sector, as has been noted and as you conceded, which exclude him from your accusation that he is a "professional politician...

Some people continue to keep their heads buried in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the truth and will never admit that they've been duped by an Orange buffoon even when the evidence continues to mount and is staring them right in their faces. 

[libertybele]

Trump will be the nominee (I still hope the delegates will save us and nominate someone else), but yesterday's poll showed 70% of Americans have a dislike of Trump, so he loses the general.  That poll showed Clinton with a negative of 50%+.  Poll also showed more trust Clinton to do a better job with terrorists than Trump.  Trump's numbers started going down after his response to the Florida killings.

Trump took credit for saying there would be more killings and it happened.  What stupid comments from him - I can take credit for knowing there would be more killings - how about you?

   I can take credit for knowing that Trump will lose in the general -- how about you?

[Sanguine]

...and if Hillary (or her replacement after she is indicted) wins, we will need someone like Cruz to put it all back together again.
You could say it's "all about them" about any candidate that runs.
You have to have an ego to think you are the right person for the job in the first place.
To say, in this instance, it is "all about Him", then are you making the assumption that he called the meeting?
My guess is he was invited by some pretty concerned folks.
I see nothing nefarious here.

I agree except that there may not be much to put back together.

[Sanguine]

The term "secret dinner" is probably just leftie code words for "no press allowed".

Yes, obviously it wasn't much of a secret!

[Silver Pines]

Excellent post. Well stated. I agree completely.

Thanks.  We're living in a completely upside-down world now....Trump is qualified for the presidency, but Cruz is not.