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Offline Just_Victor

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Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« on: June 15, 2016, 12:18:01 pm »
I've been looking for a reference to something I distinctly remember following the fall of the USSR.  The files from the KGB were released to the public, and someone found a study looking at what would be required to invade the continental USA.  The conclusion of the study was that it was not feasible due to the number of firearms in the hands of private citizens.

I can't find any references to it online, but my brain is a stickler for details like that.  I know I read it.  Does anyone else recall or have a reference to this?
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2016, 01:04:50 pm »
Quote from: Just_Victor on June 15, 2016, 12:18:01 pm
I've been looking for a reference to something I distinctly remember following the fall of the USSR.  The files from the KGB were released to the public, and someone found a study looking at what would be required to invade the continental USA.  The conclusion of the study was that it was not feasible due to the number of firearms in the hands of private citizens.

I can't find any references to it online, but my brain is a stickler for details like that.  I know I read it.  Does anyone else recall or have a reference to this?

No, I don't have a link, but they were the Venona papers.
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2016, 02:57:45 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 15, 2016, 01:04:50 pm
No, I don't have a link, but they were the Venona papers.

Thanks.  That's a better starting point for a Google search than I was using.  Still not turning up what I remember though.
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2016, 04:02:54 pm »
If you are trying to find, what I think you might be trying to find you may want to look into the Japese stratgey in WWII.

“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” Is atrributed to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, but it appears he probally didn't actually say that.

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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2016, 05:27:10 pm »
Quote from: Idaho_Cowboy on June 15, 2016, 04:02:54 pm
If you are trying to find, what I think you might be trying to find you may want to look into the Japese stratgey in WWII.

“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” Is atrributed to Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, but it appears he probally didn't actually say that.

Thanks, my search did find that one, but as you say, it's not a verifiable statement.  And yes I am looking for the info to defend the need for the 2nd Amendment.  Which is probably why info on the KGB study has been scrubbed from the search engines.  :tinfoil:
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2016, 05:39:44 pm »
@Just_Victor , I seem to remember that you could download at least a portion of the papers at one time.  Were you able to find anything like that?
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2016, 05:42:00 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 15, 2016, 05:39:44 pm
@Just_Victor , I seem to remember that you could download at least a portion of the papers at one time.  Were you able to find anything like that?

I haven't seen anything like that in my searches.  I'll have to look in more detail tonight. 

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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2016, 03:27:40 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 15, 2016, 05:39:44 pm
@Just_Victor , I seem to remember that you could download at least a portion of the papers at one time.  Were you able to find anything like that?

@Sanguine this looks like it.

https://archive.org/details/thevenonafiles
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2016, 04:13:53 pm »
Glad you found it and thanks for sharing.
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2016, 04:44:32 pm »
Quote from: Idaho_Cowboy on June 16, 2016, 04:13:53 pm
Glad you found it and thanks for sharing.

The only problem is these are all declassified US documents.  What I was looking for was a KGB or Kremlin study from the USSR.
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2016, 05:12:56 pm »
Yes, thanks for sharing.

So, the original files were in Russian I think.  Does that help in the search?
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2016, 05:17:27 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on June 16, 2016, 05:12:56 pm
Yes, thanks for sharing.

So, the original files were in Russian I think.  Does that help in the search?

I'll have to try again when I have time.  Searches in English turn up nothing.  I assume that I'll need to translate my search into Russian?  Cyrillic even?
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2016, 05:18:11 pm »
Quote from: Just_Victor on June 16, 2016, 05:17:27 pm
I'll have to try again when I have time.  I assume that I'll need to translate my search into Russian?  Cyrillic even?

Perhaps.  I just don't know. 
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2016, 01:57:40 am »
Sounds like something that would be in the Mitrokhin haul, or Lunev's testimony to Congress. Two other starting points for you.  :beer:
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2016, 02:52:59 am »
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Re: Question: Does anyone remember a KGB study of an invasion of the continental USA?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2016, 04:36:55 pm »
Quote from: EC on June 17, 2016, 01:57:40 am
Sounds like something that would be in the Mitrokhin haul, or Lunev's testimony to Congress. Two other starting points for you.  :beer:

Thanks.  I'll keep looking.
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