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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2016, 11:25:08 pm »
Sums up many of your posts.  :laugh:

Sure ... around here.   :beer:

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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2016, 11:37:55 pm »
Not to go all "End Times," or anything, but will there even be a 2020, if Cruz doesn't help Trump defeat Clinton this year?


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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2016, 11:46:55 pm »
Once again a thread is ruined because someone took it upon themselves to strikeout another person's post.....
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2016, 11:47:52 pm »
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2016, 11:53:49 pm »
Once again a thread is ruined because someone took it upon themselves to strikeout another person's post.....
Sorry @mystery-ak. I won't do it again. 

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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2016, 11:54:38 pm »
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2016, 11:55:50 pm »
Once again a thread is ruined because someone took it upon themselves to strikeout another person's post.....

Maybe highjacked, @mystery-ak.  But hardly ruined.  It seems like folks are having a ball!   ^-^

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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2016, 11:56:32 pm »


Definitely in need of comb overs though.
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2016, 11:56:56 pm »
Jeff Roe erroneously assumes that Trump is trying to beat Clinton in November.  That wasn't part of the deal that Bill and Ted reached in Spring 2015.

Bill and Ted?  Don't you mean....Bill and Donald?

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« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2016, 12:00:06 am »
Bill and Ted?  Don't you mean....Bill and Donald?

I was wondering the same thing ... Bill and Ted?  Those two are like oil and water.
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #60 on: June 15, 2016, 12:06:25 am »
I was wondering the same thing ... Bill and Ted?  Those two are like oil and water.

Yes.  Whereas, Bill and Donald are (still) good friends.  In fact, Trump placed a personal call to Bill (and Hill) before announcing his intention for a 2016 run.  Oh to have been a fly on the wall during that conversation.  I'm sure it's recorded for posterity 'somewhere'.
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #61 on: June 15, 2016, 12:15:04 am »
"It looks like Hillary just won the election.  And Trump is congratulating her."
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #62 on: June 15, 2016, 12:24:11 am »
That is a very legitimate question.  Pray for a miracle (Novena Prayer to St. Anthony of Padua) :0001:
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #63 on: June 15, 2016, 12:44:57 am »
Here is an even better "orange" wall.  Very party-ish for the occasion.



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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #64 on: June 15, 2016, 01:23:22 am »
Thanks for the article! My two cents. Without a doubt, Ted had the best ground game going, but Trump took the media by storm and had name recognition on the onset.  We know all too well once Trump realized that Cruz was a force to be reckoned with that he went ballistic on him and if you recall after Ted dropped out; Trump even remarked that he was a really tough opponent. A lot of what Trump did and said was I think in his mind acceptable because he knew he couldn't win any other way and there was a point in time where Trump would no longer debate him and my hunch is Trump knew he would lose.  Trump is going to lose in a debate against Hillary for the very same reason.  Trump doesn't have clue one about basic government functions nor any in depth knowledge of issues.

Cruz has a great love and passion for this country and has stood up for the people and the Constitution most of his life.  Because of his love of country and passion for the Constitution if Trump were to ask him for his endorsement or to be his VP, I think Cruz would consider it, BUT only if he indeed thought they could win against Hillary, and ONLY IF Trump were to make a public apology to his wife and father. I don't think Cruz would jeopardize his political career and accept the VP slot if he wasn't sure they could indeed win. Right now, things aren't looking so good for Trump. Cruz's ground game abilities, political expertise, expertise of the Constitution, and his supporters would help Trump immensely. Trump really needs Cruz right now more than Cruz needs Trump. 

Two things; will Trump swallow his pride and apologize to Cruz and ask him to be his VP and does Cruz think they can work together and win?  My hunch right now is 'no'.


Therein lie the rub. Also does anyone hitch his wagon to trump?

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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #65 on: June 15, 2016, 01:30:27 am »
There is always hope.  The irony of this situation is at one point in time a news source reported that Trump selected Cruz as his VP. It was touted as a "political earthquake that would shake the political establishment to the core"!  Too bad Trump allowed his ugliness to rear its head. I still am under the impression that Trump is nothing more than a siphon for the DEMS. Time will tell of course.

Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-donald-trump-just-named-his-running-mate/#ixzz4BZoI4nqi


http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-donald-trump-just-named-his-running-mate/

trump does not get to select his VP... that is decided at Convention .. by the delegates.
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #66 on: June 15, 2016, 02:16:54 am »
trump does not get to select his VP... that is decided at Convention .. by the delegates.

??? My assumption was always that the VP was chosen by the presidential candidate/nominee.  Cruz chose Fiorina way early.  The delegates of course elect the nominee ... but I still think the nominee selects his VP.   That's what several websites stated, put I dug a little further ... http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/trump-gop-running-mate-convention-delegates/478992/

I'm a little confused here.  Anyone?

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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #67 on: June 15, 2016, 02:35:59 am »
??? My assumption was always that the VP was chosen by the presidential candidate/nominee.  Cruz chose Fiorina way early.  The delegates of course elect the nominee ... but I still think the nominee selects his VP.   That's what several websites stated, put I dug a little further ... http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/trump-gop-running-mate-convention-delegates/478992/

I'm a little confused here.  Anyone?
It's a little of both.

The delegates technically have the authority to nominate anyone they so choose. Historically, however, they've almost always deferred to the nominee's choice without any sort of resistance (usually by voice vote).

This year, with as acrimonious as the primary has been, might very well be the exception. Not that the VP has that much power in and of themselves anyway.
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #68 on: June 15, 2016, 02:42:40 am »
It's a little of both.

The delegates technically have the authority to nominate anyone they so choose. Historically, however, they've almost always deferred to the nominee's choice without any sort of resistance (usually by voice vote).

This year, with as acrimonious as the primary has been, might very well be the exception. Not that the VP has that much power in and of themselves anyway.

Ok.  Thank you for the clarification.
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #69 on: June 15, 2016, 05:56:15 am »
Thanks for the article! My two cents. Without a doubt, Ted had the best ground game going, but Trump took the media by storm and had name recognition on the onset.  We know all too well once Trump realized that Cruz was a force to be reckoned with that he went ballistic on him and if you recall after Ted dropped out; Trump even remarked that he was a really tough opponent. A lot of what Trump did and said was I think in his mind acceptable because he knew he couldn't win any other way and there was a point in time where Trump would no longer debate him and my hunch is Trump knew he would lose.  Trump is going to lose in a debate against Hillary for the very same reason.  Trump doesn't have clue one about basic government functions nor any in depth knowledge of issues.

Cruz has a great love and passion for this country and has stood up for the people and the Constitution most of his life.  Because of his love of country and passion for the Constitution if Trump were to ask him for his endorsement or to be his VP, I think Cruz would consider it, BUT only if he indeed thought they could win against Hillary, and ONLY IF Trump were to make a public apology to his wife and father. I don't think Cruz would jeopardize his political career and accept the VP slot if he wasn't sure they could indeed win. Right now, things aren't looking so good for Trump. Cruz's ground game abilities, political expertise, expertise of the Constitution, and his supporters would help Trump immensely. Trump really needs Cruz right now more than Cruz needs Trump. 

Two things; will Trump swallow his pride and apologize to Cruz and ask him to be his VP and does Cruz think they can work together and win?  My hunch right now is 'no'.

I've thought along the same lines, i.e. that Trump needs Cruz supporters or he won't win, period.  Cruz, on the other hand, would bite the bullet and be Trump's flacky for the sake of the country, and his own family.  The USA is in serious condition, a fact that is not lost on Cruz.

However, there are two problems with this theory:

  • If Cruz joined the Trump ticket, after apologies or whatever, 70% of Cruz supporters wouldn't follow.   They follow principle, not a man, and Cruz's principles just happen to coincide with their own during the GOP primary.  If Cruz violated his principles, even for the sake of the country, he'd lose legitimacy with his supporters.  His would be as empty an endorsement as Palin, Carson's, Cristy's, and certainly that of the hypocrite and lying, fake Christian "Pastor" Huckabee.
  • Trump lies, reflexively, consistently, and with reckless abandon.  Not a word of anything Trump could say would make any difference to Cruz or any other non-Trumpkin GOP voter, because the only thing one can be certain with about Trump is his consistent dishonestly.  Cruz could never make a deal that Trump would keep.

So, there we have it.  The GOP has a loser for a candidate, a 50 state, Senate and half the GOP House scale loser, and there's no saving the party or this election.   Trump could keel over dead tomorrow, and the election results would remain exactly the same.   Trump blew up the most solid, consistent constituency the GOP had, and it'll never be unified again. 
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Re: Cruz strategist: Trump has a math problem
« Reply #70 on: June 15, 2016, 05:51:56 pm »
trump does not get to select his VP... that is decided at Convention .. by the delegates.

That will be a problem for Trump then.  I estimate that around 50% of the delegates were chosen by Cruz supporters, 45% were chosen by the GOPe, 4% chosen by Rubio supporters, and 1% were chosen by Trump supporters.
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