Why people like Donald.

[LMAO]

It won't be big government. You just believe that because he's not Cruz.

No

His own words confirm that. The problem with most Trump supporters is they've molded him into what they believe he will be and when confronted with his own statements and positions, both past and present,that counter their view of him, it becomes, " b-b-b-but  Croooooz!"

What it boils down to is many of his supporters are not interested in reducing the size and scope of the Federal Government. They want their own " pen and a phone."

[musiclady]

How about deportations. All of them. Because that's what he wants.

And a big beautiful door through which they may re-enter.......   

[musiclady]

I see a lot of conservative women complaining about his misogyny. Are we anti PC or not?

Are you actually saying that there isn't misogyny?  That there aren't men who degrade and abuse women?  Are you that ignorant of reality?

And are you seriously saying that pointing out Donald Trump's verbal abuse of women is just being "PC?"  You've got to be kidding!

One of the myriad of reasons I oppose Donald Trump is that he is a misogynist.  He looks down on women and uses them as objects.

And he has done so on the record for decades.

Recognizing that he demeans women is not even close to being PC.   And any argument that it is, is completely vacuous.

If you want to deny the truth, go ahead.  But don't blame your own pretense on conservative women who don't live in your imaginary Trump world.

[ExFreeper]

I like this forum a lot. Just found it and it’s a good place to talk. But let me make this short. I like Donald because he says it how most people would and he punches back hard. Most conservatives are more interested in policy papers and their “principles” which include losing the country, rather than winning. I’d rather take someone who is 70 percent conservative that can actually win a national election

@runnerrunner

I suspect that you don't have a clue about conservatism, its principles or its history going back to and before the American Revolution.  You have been a member on this forum since yesterday.  All 48 of your posts are Trump this or Trump that.  Why?  I detect a pattern here!  Are you a member of the "Branch Trumpidians"?  Please explain the 30% vs 70%?  I'm all ears...

[aligncare]

...you forgot to mention the 'legally' part of that paraphrase. Re-enter "legally" after a process for legal re-entry is determined by legislative action.

[sinkspur]

Trump is not going to deport 11 million people under any circumstances.  Anyone who believes he is is intentionally obtuse.

[runnerrunner]

No

His own words confirm that. The problem with most Trump supporters is they've molded him into what they believe he will be and when confronted with his own statements and positions, both past and present,that counter their view of him, it becomes, " b-b-b-but  Croooooz!"

What it boils down to is many of his supporters are not interested in reducing the size and scope of the Federal Government. They want their own " pen and a phone."

This is just more virtue signalling. If you think crap like more foreign wars will bring smaller government, then you're out to lunch.

And a big beautiful door through which they may re-enter.......   

Are you actually saying that there isn't misogyny?  That there aren't men who degrade and abuse women?  Are you that ignorant of reality?

And are you seriously saying that pointing out Donald Trump's verbal abuse of women is just being "PC?"  You've got to be kidding!

One of the myriad of reasons I oppose Donald Trump is that he is a misogynist.  He looks down on women and uses them as objects.

And he has done so on the record for decades.

Recognizing that he demeans women is not even close to being PC.   And any argument that it is, is completely vacuous.

If you want to deny the truth, go ahead.  But don't blame your own pretense on conservative women who don't live in your imaginary Trump world.

So you have you're own pet progressive issue then? How Liberal. And no one is talking about spousal abuse, that is wrong and I don't think I have to say that.  But yes, the incessant complaining about Trump and women is getting to be PC. The Republican Party doesn't support abortion and Conservatism and women's rights/extreme feminism don't mix.


And what do you suggest be done about illegals?

@runnerrunner

I suspect that you don't have a clue about conservatism, its principles or its history going back to and before the American Revolution.  You have been a member on this forum since yesterday.  All 48 of your posts are Trump this or Trump that.  Why?  I detect a pattern here!  Are you a member of the "Branch Trumpidians"?  Please explain the 30% vs 70%?  I'm all ears...

Trump is the major conservative issue of the day. What else are we supposed to talk about? And 70 percent conservative is better then zero. Purism is a road to nowhere.

[LMAO]

This is just more virtue signalling. If you think crap like more foreign wars will bring smaller government, then you're out to lunch.

Who brought up anything about Foreign Wars? Again, Trump's statements and positions, both past and present, very much suggest he will govern more as a big government type of Republican. The exact kind of Republican that many of us conservatives were hoping to avoid. Trump has obviously charmed you enough to convince you to overlook his  lean to the left and that's your choice but don't tell the rest of us who seek to be informed when it comes to all the candidates that we should see Trump only in the same fawning light you do.

Every candidate deserves and should be researched and scrutinized and met with some skepticism up to andincluding Trump. You choose to believe everything he tells you without any question and there is no way anybody will talk you out of your love nor should they try

[ExFreeper]

Trump is the major conservative issue of the day. What else are we supposed to talk about? And 70 percent conservative is better then zero. Purism is a road to nowhere.

Trump is not a conservative and should not be mentioned in the same breath.  Maybe he is a capitalists but certainly not conservative.  Hell, he does not know the difference between Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, or John Maynard Keynes.  You are simply insulting conservatives by making these assertions.  I understand you think Trump is the best thing since sliced bread however I believe your side would be best served to concentrate on his strengths and stop this "Purist" non-sense.  Call him a populists or a nationalist, but not conservative. 

[XenaLee]

Women call men pigs all the time. I don't know if you have see it but there is a huge divide due to feminism and men are getting sick of it. Of course Trump is coarse and dumb. This is 16 years into the reality TV era, what did you think would happen.

So....you don't think the CIC should be held to a higher standard than your average stuckonstupid TV viewer...and you're A-OK with Trump acting (and being) coarse, crude and dumb then. 

Got it.

But unfortunately, what you think is ok is not necessarily what the majority of voters think is ok, as will be proven this November when Trump loses to Hillary due to his even higher (67%) unfavorable rating among American voters.

 

[Wingnut]

So....you don't think the CIC should be held to a higher standard than your average stuckonstupid TV viewer...and you're A-OK with Trump acting (and being) coarse, crude and dumb then. 

Got it.

But unfortunately, what you think is ok is not necessarily what the majority of voters think is ok, as will be proven this November when Trump loses to Hillary due to his even higher (67%) unfavorable rating among American voters.

Roadrunner wants the 'Average Joe" Donald Trump There.  Cuz lord knows what America needs right now is a Lude Crude and Socially unacceptable demented mother puss bucket as President.

[Bigun]

And what do you suggest be done about illegals?

How about ENFORCING  the laws as they currently exist! THAT would be a novel approach!

[runnerrunner]

Trump is not a conservative and should not be mentioned in the same breath.  Maybe he is a capitalists but certainly not conservative.  Hell, he does not know the difference between Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, or John Maynard Keynes.  You are simply insulting conservatives by making these assertions.  I understand you think Trump is the best thing since sliced bread however I believe your side would be best served to concentrate on his strengths and stop this "Purist" non-sense.  Call him a populists or a nationalist, but not conservative. 

Fair enough. On the flipside, seems a lot of conservatives talk about capitalism, but have not lived it.

So....you don't think the CIC should be held to a higher standard than your average stuckonstupid TV viewer...and you're A-OK with Trump acting (and being) coarse, crude and dumb then. 

Got it.

But unfortunately, what you think is ok is not necessarily what the majority of voters think is ok, as will be proven this November when Trump loses to Hillary due to his even higher (67%) unfavorable rating among American voters.

 

Aren't they both at 60 percent right now? And what does it say about voters these two are the best options?

Roadrunner wants the 'Average Joe" Donald Trump There.  Cuz lord knows what America needs right now is a Lude Crude and Socially unacceptable demented mother puss bucket as President.

You're not any better than him with this talk.  And I bet you think you have never said anything offensive and then have the left come after you.

[runnerrunner]

How about ENFORCING  the laws as they currently exist! THAT would be a novel approach!

And once you get everyone over staying their visas...you deport them. Except Trump has said he's going to get all of them.

[Wingnut]

Fair enough. On the flipside, seems a lot of conservatives talk about capitalism, but have not lived it.
 Aren't they both at 60 percent right now? And what does it say about voters these two are the best options? You're not any better than him with this talk.  And I bet you think you have never said anything offensive and then have the left come after you.

I'm just an average Joe.  And even I wouldn't vote for me to be dog catcher.  I also would not vote for Trump to be dog catcher even though that is the only office he is suited for.

[LMAO]

So....you don't think the CIC should be held to a higher standard than your average stuckonstupid TV viewer

They did vote for BHO twice

[DCPatriot]

I like this forum a lot. Just found it and it’s a good place to talk. But let me make this short. I like Donald because he says it how most people would and he punches back hard. Most conservatives are more interested in policy papers and their “principles” which include losing the country, rather than winning. I’d rather take someone who is 70 percent conservative that can actually win a national election

I see a lot of conservative women complaining about his misogyny. Are we anti PC or not? And a lot of men in middle America still believe that  “traditional values” includes women staying at home with the kids and the man working, go ask an evangelical if you don’t believe me. His rhetoric is no different than the many college frats and their members in the USA. That's how a lot, and I mean a huge amount, of men talk about women. They even do it in the conservative movement, you just don't see because they aren't running for president. So do conservatives support political correctness or not? Do conservative women want the same special treatment liberal women get? Do we still have a group that actually believes in traditional values, or just going to church every Sunday is enough for you?

For years conservatives have bemoaned illegal immigration. How do you know he won’t do what that? How do you know any of the other candidates will? Do you want Americans to get their jobs back? Do you want a strong response to Terrorism? Free Trade, could the base be any clearer they don’t like it. Seems only true conservatives on the internet defend it. These same true conservatives work at nonprofit think tanks which don’t produce… anything.

For many Americans, things have just changed too much. This is bigger than true conservatism, Obama or Hillary. They see a country in decline and this is the last chance to stop it.

Welcome to our humble abode, @runnerrunner

 

[geronl]

Immigration.


But does it matter? Nothing is good enough for some people.

In 2012 he was pro-illegal and pro-DREAMER

[geronl]

And once you get everyone over staying their visas...you deport them. Except Trump has said he's going to get all of them.

Trump is not going to mass deport. Nowhere on his campaign site does he state this, either.

These are only "suggestions" anyway, like the wall he would never really build.

[Bigun]

In 2012 he was pro-illegal and pro-DREAMER

Still is!  Nothing has changed and he desperately wants to make sure nothing does change!

[geronl]

It won't be big government.

Trump’s “bigger, better, gold-plated government” message doesn’t exactly speak to the hearts and minds of libertarian-leaning conservatives

[runnerrunner]

I'm just an average Joe.  And even I wouldn't vote for me to be dog catcher.  I also would not vote for Trump to be dog catcher even though that is the only office he is suited for.

Right. But the thing is this is like the 2000 election... who do you want to have a beer with? That's all I'm saying here.

The Islamic terrorists punch hard and they will do anything to win.  They are anti-PC.  Is there any line you are willing to draw in your primacy of winning?

You present a case based on certain things you value and disregard lots of things I value.  Then you seem to expect me to bow to your will.  I will not.  Support a liberal, slandering, dishonest, buffoon if you like.  I will never!!!

So you are pro pc? And yes, winning is important. It's easy to be conservative while the world burns. That's why we're in this mess with Trump anyway.

Trump is not going to mass deport. Nowhere on his campaign site does he state this, either.

These are only "suggestions" anyway, like the wall he would never really build.

Still is!  Nothing has changed and he desperately wants to make sure nothing does change!

In 2012 he was pro-illegal and pro-DREAMER

Trump’s “bigger, better, gold-plated government” message doesn’t exactly speak to the hearts and minds of libertarian-leaning conservatives

You can't change you're opinion? How many times has Jeb flip flopped on everything? And we need a government that works. I want the Dept of Education gone too but too many soccer moms love it.

[runnerrunner]

Welcome to our humble abode, @runnerrunner

 

Thank You! Glad to be here!!!

[musiclady]

Right. But the thing is this is like the 2000 election... who do you want to have a beer with? That's all I'm saying here.

So you are pro pc? And yes, winning is important. It's easy to be conservative while the world burns. That's why we're in this mess with Trump anyway.In 2012 he was pro-illegal and pro-DREAMER

You can't change you're opinion? How many times has Jeb flip flopped on everything? And we need a government that works. I want the Dept of Education gone too but too many soccer moms love it.

I would rather be subject to water torture than have a beer with EITHER Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

And again with the "pro pc"............ of all the empty headed arguments for Trump, that has to be the worst.  Your guy is going to throw gasoline on the burning world.

As for changing ones opinion, if one has given thought to a subject, has researched and come to a greater understanding and because of that changed ones opinion that is one thing.   But Donald Trump has "changed" his opinions because he knew a group of non-thinkers would fall for it. 

He's no more anti-illegal now than he was in 2012.  He supported the Dream Act, and still does.  He has always supported mammoth government, and still does.  He has always been pro-abortion, and still is.  He never read the Constitution before he ran for President, and still hasn't.

He's a leftist runner, just like Hillary Clinton.  And that DOES matter.

Voting for him because you want to pretend that he is what he isn't, is inexcusable.  If you want to vote for him because you agree with his liberal policies, that's an honest choice.  But voting for him because you deny his liberalism and pretend he's a conservative, is dishonest.

[musiclady]

Oh, yeah............. and he's always been a creepy, narcissistic misogynist who verbally abuses women and uses them for his own narcissistic purposes.

It has NOTHING to do with being "PC" to oppose this Troglodyte who has a disdain for at least half the US population unless he can ogle them or commit adultery with them.....