Author Topic: Mass shooting and hostage taking at Orlando gay nightclub appears to be Islamic terrorism  (Read 57133 times)

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This thread has NOTHING to do with Trump...please keep it that way!

I wasn't the first one to mention him.
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Please - let's stick to the subject and not drag the presidential race into this thread.

Believe me, I am a loathe to bring politics in, but surely in a presidential election year terrorism is an important issue and relatable to the presidential race.

But, not to disturb the flow, that's as much as I'll say on the subject...

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What struck me when I saw this at something like 3 AM this morning was the BBC was about the only place, they still are, saying "gay bar" but at the same time, I think NY Times, WaPo and the BBC are not saying at least for now, that it is Islamic violence. Maybe early on, that is proper reporting.

My condolences to the victims.

It sounds like they are saying this shooter was born in 1986 to Afghan parents; maybe they are American citizens but that seems to be his background nonetheless.


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This thread has NOTHING to do with Trump...please keep it that way!

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Party registration was posted on FR-- of course, being from FR, take this with a grain of salt. I can't guarantee they fact checked it or validated it is the same person.


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Early reports.

Man is "not a US citizen". Has a history of making terror threats. Is Muslim.

Gee...why did the MSM claim out of the gate that he was a "citizen"?   In order to use the term "Domestic Terrorism"?   For gun grabbing?

Or...does that fact it happened on American soil qualify as "domestic terrorism"?

Therefore, September 11th, 2001 was "domestic terrorism", too.   Right?   :whistle:
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Fox reporting that the police waited 3 hours before rescuing hostages. Possible Islamic terrorism investigation by FBI.
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Seddique or its equivalents, Siddiqui, etc.; that must be a last name like Smith in commonality in that part of the world. At least around Pakistan where Afghanistan is.

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Gee...why did the MSM claim out of the gate that he was a "citizen"?   In order to use the term "Domestic Terrorism"?   For gun grabbing?

Or...does that fact it happened on American soil qualify as "domestic terrorism"?

Therefore, September 11th, 2001 was "domestic terrorism", too.   Right?   :whistle:

Sounds like a fog of war issue. A lot of early reports are mixed. If the voter registration is legit (came from FR so who knows), then he was a citizen unless Florida allows non-citizens to vote. Well, it was a Democrat registration so who knows.

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Sounds like a fog of war issue. A lot of early reports are mixed. If the voter registration is legit (came from FR so who knows), then he was a citizen unless Florida allows non-citizens to vote. Well, it was a Democrat registration so who knows.

A registered Democrat?   I'd LOL...but this isn't at all funny.

Furthermore...I'll bet anybody that the death toll is close to double the number reported.
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Worse terrorist attack since 911 they were saying on Fox; so, I guess, it is barely worse than Fort Hood per body-count.

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Sounds like a fog of war issue. A lot of early reports are mixed. If the voter registration is legit (came from FR so who knows), then he was a citizen unless Florida allows non-citizens to vote. Well, it was a Democrat registration so who knows.

"fog of war"......more like media tripping over themselves to break the story.
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Media really pulling out all the stops to erase the fact that this was an Islamic terror attack (ISIS warned would happen in Florida just a few days ago: http://shoebat.com/2016/06/09/major-muslim-terrorists-makes-this-declaration-to-all-americans-we-are-coming-after-you-we-will-attack-florida-and-slaughter-americans-there/ ).

Media now only using the term "Domestic Terrorism", "Domestic Terrorist" - no mention of Islam.

Waiting for the chants of the "Ban guns and suicide vests" crowd to chirp in.
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Another white male GOP tea partier I take it?

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So how does the Democrat party defend both of its constituencies, the Gays and the Muslims, who are clearly incompatible with each other?

Simple: call it a 'rogue' or something else, like blaming Donald Trump's hate speech that caused the guy to go beserk/
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People took to Facebook to share information on the shooting. Under the Pulse club post they wrote that the attacker had an assault rifle and was barricaded inside with hostages.



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Another white male GOP tea partier I take it?

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They were all hoping he was.

Instead we find that he was a registered Democrat and voted.

Have just heard reports that he was NOT a citizen.

I know somebody who's going to have a lot to say about this.    :smokin:
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It appears they waited 3 hours before going in. Early reports, so can't say if those reports are accurate.

yah...apparently this guy took a lot of hostages right off the bat.  And this all started at 2 AM local time as well.  From first shot to the end three hours later, considering the circumstances facing them I'd say they did damned well. 

This is a textbook example of why local law enforcement needs moderately heavy tactical equipment like full dressed out SWAT teams, armored cars and heavy semi-automatic firearms.  The shooter had multiple weapons and possibly a suicide vest and/or other explosives.

Let's see what accurate reports emerge by Monday morning, given that almost 100% of the time, early reports of what happened are spectacularly wrong.  San Bernadino did not happen in a vacuum; in fact there was considerable opportunity to stop it beforehand had the idiot helping the perp not done so.  Lets see who knew this shooter and how much law enforcement already knew about him before now.  I doubt he had an instantaneous conversion and came up with this idea spontaneously. 

Perhaps he owns a 7-11 franchise and the trangender bathroom fiasco sent him over the edge...


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Worse terrorist attack since 911 they were saying on Fox; so, I guess, it is barely worse than Fort Hood per body-count.


I read 20 dead and 42 injured........

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So how does the Democrat party defend both of its constituencies, the Gays and the Muslims, who are clearly incompatible with each other?

Simple: call it a 'rogue' or something else, like blaming Donald Trump's hate speech that caused the guy to go beserk/

Bingo.  You have one group (Radical Islamists) that the Preezy will not mention by name that just went after the current preferred celebrity minority (LGBTQ) that he can't stop talking about while forcing more special rights for them down everyone else's throat. 

Remember, inside every "Moderate Muslim" is a Radical Muslim fighting to get out.

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"fog of war"......more like media tripping over themselves to break the story.

Yea, that's pretty much true. I just used that as the standard phrase for not trusting any story early until it is confirmed.

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The media, pundits, and politicos will be breathlessly telling us how to think. 

So much devastation for lives, for families... and we will be told over and over how to think.  I loathe that.
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Now reporting changes from 20 ..........'50 dead 50 Injured'..............