Monckton: It’s Time For ‘Texit’ — Texas Should Secede, Thatcher Advisor Says

[austingirl]

This last year  I've been studying the civil war more so than I have for most of my life,   and it now appears to me that the primary reason for the war is not at all what most people think.   


In fact it appears that the vast majority of people are completely unaware of what were the real reasons for the commencement of the civil war.    To sum it up in one word,   it was "money."

Absolutely. I highly, recommend the books written by James and Walter Kennedy, such as "The South was Right," and "Was Jefferson Davis Right?' Yes, he was, and so was Robert E. Lee. The destruction of the memory and honor of those who died for the Confederacy is criminal.

[Ghost Bear]

Any discussion on secession will inevitably turn into a Civil War debate and is usually started by secession opponents.  Since they can't argue logically or legally about secession they have to resort to revisionist history and name calling.

Yes, that's why I recommend answering such attempts with variations of, "We're not talking about that now, if you want to talk about that go make you're own thread." 

[austingirl]

By all means enlighten us.

Enlighten yourself. Read some of the books by James and Walter Kennedy such as "The South was Right."

[austingirl]

You're a liar. No "snark" is directed at Texans, just these separatist bozos.

I am not a liar. You are a nasty piece of work and display hatred of ideas that Texans hold that threaten your national government that you apparently embrace. Why don't you stop the insults? The "separatist bozos" are Texans. You contradict yourself and look mighty foolish.

[austingirl]

"War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. Other simple remedies were within their choice. Yon know it and they know it, but they wanted war, and I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let up, no cave in till we are whipped or they are." - William Sherman

William Sherman- he who burned Atlanta? You must be joking. You have a very skewed view of history. Of course the victors rewrite history to suit their views and the truth has been lost. Read the James and Walter Kennedy books . I dare you but your mind is slammed shut.

[austingirl]

It's already happening. The country is breaking apart regardless if people want to see it or not. America is starting to develop into separate cultures and interests that are often in opposition, if not outright hostility to each other.

Any severe financial pressure is only going to exacerbate if not precipitate that.

Excellent observation. The sheeple who have been brainwashed to believe that we live in "one nation- indivisible" from the socialist-written Pledge of Allegiance, are a prime example. Lack of critical thinking and government school education have done their damage. The hostility to a Union of Sovereign States with a weak federal government is apparent on this thread.

[Cowboyway]

Yes, that's why I recommend answering such attempts with variations of, "We're not talking about that now, if you want to talk about that go make you're own thread."

A civil discussion on current events can almost always benefit from properly applied empirical data, but, unfortunately, this is one subject that had and has a tendency to bring out a lot of emotion.

[austingirl]

Here's a good read on the subject: Rethinking The American Union for the Twenty-First Century

https://www.amazon.com/Rethinking-American-Union-Twenty-First-Century/dp/1589809572

Thank you for the link.

[Cowboyway]

Absolutely. I highly, recommend the books written by James and Walter Kennedy, such as "The South was Right," and "Was Jefferson Davis Right?' Yes, he was, and so was Robert E. Lee. The destruction of the memory and honor of those who died for the Confederacy is criminal.

 

(Do you have a husband?   )

[austingirl]

Funny how when I mentioned that SS payments should be cut off to Texans if they secede they started whining like little girls! 

Everyone wants their gubment money! 

You believe the government has money?  They have OUR money. Are you going to continue to display your ignorance all day? I have to go to work in a few minutes and will not be available to correct you. Perhaps others who possess critical thinking skills can help you out.

[TomSea]

There were a lot of colonists who probably didn't want to break from England or others that were peaceful like the Quakers.

Anyway, it would be nice say, if a new nation totally outlawed abortion but these are the kinds of things that voters would be considering.

Texas elected Ma Richards, I don't think a majority would ever choose to leave the Union.

[austingirl]

Who do you post as on FR?

I used to engage in battle with a group of union fanatics over there and your posting style is familiar.

(BTW, most of the most vitriolic South haters over there are now Trump fanatics.)

Interesting to note.

[austingirl]

Any discussion on secession will inevitably turn into a Civil War debate and is usually started by secession opponents.  Since they can't argue logically or legally about secession they have to resort to revisionist history and name calling.

Very well said. And demonstrated on this thread by several posters who seek to disrupt a serious discussion.

[TomSea]

Absolutely. I highly, recommend the books written by James and Walter Kennedy, such as "The South was Right," and "Was Jefferson Davis Right?' Yes, he was, and so was Robert E. Lee. The destruction of the memory and honor of those who died for the Confederacy is criminal.

This in turn is despicable, this poster likes to point at other posters and call them shameful but this is shameful.

This is why we have had historic revisionism like the war should have ended with the Emancipation Proclamation. We were still fighting for civil rights in the 1960s.

Texas instituted the evil of slavery, the Civil War would not have been fought unless slavery existed.

[TomSea]

Any discussion on secession will inevitably turn into a Civil War debate and is usually started by secession opponents.  Since they can't argue logically or legally about secession they have to resort to revisionist history and name calling.

Texas is a minority majority state. Enjoy this fact, maybe one side can't argue logically or legally about secession. It's a pipe dream and I've seen plenty of people call names as well towards others.

[austingirl]

(Do you have a husband?   )

Yes and he has many ancestors who fought in the War of Northern Aggression, has boycotted Walmart and Amazon since they no longer carry the Confederate Flag, and is a proud member of the Texas Nationalist Movement as am I.   ^-^

[MACVSOG68]

There is a surprising amount of snark directed at Texans and Texas on this thread. Also a lack of knowledge about the history of the Civil War and the Founding Principles. It seems that many people have accepted the notion of a massive, debt-ridden, unconstitutional national government in place of a Union of Sovereign States with a weak federal government with very limited powers.

It is sad that a Convention of States has not been done given the overreach of the executive branch, the legislation from the bench by the Supreme Court, and the legislative branch setting themselves above the people they are supposed to serve. We have lost our Republic.

How about we all take a deep breath and drop the insults all the way around.  Now to respond to your point.  The Constitution was written for the purpose of creating a much stronger national government than existed with the Revolutionary War confederation.  Even then with almost no real power within the federal government, states could not leave on their own without approval of Congress and all of the other states.  The Constitution established an even more perfect Union with a far stronger national government. 

I haven't studied the plan from the secessionists, but one thing stands out.  All of the military in Texas have sworn allegiance to the Constitution of the United States, to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic, and to obey the orders of the president of the US.  Upon any formal declaration of secession, the President would immediately federalize the Texas National Guard, thus leading to war within the state itself and Texas having to start from scratch with those few who would commit treason in defense of the movement.  Not a good ending.

[austingirl]

This in turn is despicable, this poster likes to point at other posters and call them shameful but this is shameful.

This is why we have had historic revisionism like the war should have ended with the Emancipation Proclamation. We were still fighting for civil rights in the 1960s.

Texas instituted the evil of slavery, the Civil War would not have been fought unless slavery existed.

The evil institution of slavery has been a part of civilization since ancient times. It continues today in islamic countries. Texas did not start it. Why did Lincoln free the slaves only in Confederate States and not in Northern States? You are displaying breathtaking ignorance and need some serious schooling. 

[austingirl]

How about we all take a deep breath and drop the insults all the way around.  Now to respond to your point.  The Constitution was written for the purpose of creating a much stronger national government than existed with the Revolutionary War confederation.  Even then with almost no real power within the federal government, states could not leave on their own without approval of Congress and all of the other states.  The Constitution established an even more perfect Union with a far stronger national government. 

I haven't studied the plan from the secessionists, but one thing stands out.  All of the military in Texas have sworn allegiance to the Constitution of the United States, to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic, and to obey the orders of the president of the US.  Upon any formal declaration of secession, the President would immediately federalize the Texas National Guard, thus leading to war within the state itself and Texas having to start from scratch with those few who would commit treason in defense of the movement.  Not a good ending.

Do you believe we have a "perfect" union? The language of "perpetual" union was removed from the Constitution for a reason. We have such a large land mass and sharp regional differences and extra-Constitutional national government that the fractures are becoming more apparent every day. I disagree with your assessment of how the Texas Military would respond if a majority of Texans vote for independence.

[DiogenesLamp]

How about we all take a deep breath and drop the insults all the way around.  Now to respond to your point.  The Constitution was written for the purpose of creating a much stronger national government than existed with the Revolutionary War confederation.  Even then with almost no real power within the federal government, states could not leave on their own without approval of Congress and all of the other states.  The Constitution established an even more perfect Union with a far stronger national government. 

Stronger than the British Monarchy/Parliament form of government?     



What made the Union of the Colonies stronger than the Union of the Crowns?   

[MACVSOG68]

The evil institution of slavery has been a part of civilization since ancient times. It continues today in islamic countries. Texas did not start it. Why did Lincoln free the slaves only in Confederate States and not in Northern States? You are displaying breathtaking ignorance and need some serious schooling.

Lincoln believed he had the power to free the slaves within states that were in rebellion as part of his war powers, but not those that were not.  He agreed with passage of the 13th Amendment as the only constitutional remedy for slavery. 

[DiogenesLamp]

How about we all take a deep breath and drop the insults all the way around.  Now to respond to your point.  The Constitution was written for the purpose of creating a much stronger national government than existed with the Revolutionary War confederation.  Even then with almost no real power within the federal government, states could not leave on their own without approval of Congress and all of the other states.  The Constitution established an even more perfect Union with a far stronger national government. 

Stronger than the British Monarchy/Parliament form of government?     



What made the Union of the Colonies stronger than the Union of the Crowns?   

[Ghost Bear]

OK, I give up. Y'all want to argue over past wrongs, y'all go ahead.  I'm outta here.   

[RedHead]

Why was Lincoln so adamant about saving the Union?  Because he need revenue and cotton from the South.

Money.

"But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other -- though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right." - Alexander Stephens, March 1861

Slavery.

[Cowboyway]

Yes and he has many ancestors who fought in the War of Northern Aggression, has boycotted Walmart and Amazon since they no longer carry the Confederate Flag, and is a proud member of the Texas Nationalist Movement as am I.   ^-^

He's a lucky fellow.  Here's to him.