NOW: #Trump supporter attacked and left bleeding in San Jose (video)

[libertybele]

And exactly who would thay be that could unite free market conservatives with Bernie's hardcore socialist supporters, BLM race-baiters who actually manufacturer many of the incidents about which they complain with the cops they smear, illegal immigrants with those who want to stop immigration from south of the border, neoconservatives with isolationists, and those who want to make abortion through the third trimester legal and free with pro-life advocates?

Exactly who is this magical person who can get you to give up most of what you believe, and adopt the values and beliefs of others?  Names, please.

And Jesus isn't eligible.  Not a natural born citizen, doncha know.

Ted Cruz.  I firmly believe getting back to the very fundamentals, ideals, and core values upon which this country was founded and the Constitution is what is needed to unify this country.  Liberalism in various different forms hasn't worked in the past, isn't working now and won't work in the future.  There is a huge difference between patriotism and believing in this Country and what it represents than adopting values and beliefs of others. The time to instill pride and love for our country and its people in our citizenship is long over due.  It is that pride and love for country that has drawn us together and kept us together in the past.  The left has done just the opposite; they have instilled the strong notion of 'entitlements'  anti-American sentiment and pitted its citizenship against one another all under the guise of political correctness.

[Liberty Tree Dr]

This who election has become disgusting.  Anyway you look at it, it is Trump who has brought this on.

Cruz lost the primary when he said basically the same thing after the Leftist riots outside the Trump rally in Chicago.  I - a Cruz supporter - was watching live when Cruz expressed this thought when asked about it by the press.  I turned to my wife and said he just lost a LOT of support for siding with the BLM/SJW/Socialists, and this turned out to be true in the long run.

[musiclady]

You're making a fair point - people aren't "supporting" those leftist thugs.

But i think it would be fair to say that many seem far more concerned about Trump's braggadocio than they do about actual mass political violence from the left, and that some are placing the blame for the violence on the speaker rather than the thugs.  Some even seem pretty close to excusing that violence.

I guess I disagree that anyone is close to excusing the violence, and though it's true that the first response from a few is that Trump encourages violence, IMO, that is among many rational and responsible reactions.

It is a fact that Donald Trump has encouraged punching people and removing them physically from his rallies.  That's not good. 

It is also a fact that Trump has made multiple incendiary comments about Mexicans that light the fires of outrage........... rightly or wrongly.

I have seen no one say that what the leftist thugs have done is right or even excusable, but only that it is understandable, given Trump's very bad behavior.  That is a point that can be discussed, and is better discussed with both sides' being honest in their comments.  I don't think that the accusation that some here condone violence is in any way honest discussion.

I think everyone here understands that leftists have always been violent thugs.  We've all seen in before multiple times.  And again, I have seen no one saying that violence is acceptable, though some liberally (deliberate choice of word) apply their own feelings and make that accusation.

Edited to add:  I very much appreciate the constructive contribution you have already made to this forum, @Maj. Bill Martin .  WELCOME!   

[Jazzhead]

And exactly who would thay be that could unite free market conservatives with Bernie's hardcore socialist supporters, BLM race-baiters who actually manufacturer many of the incidents about which they complain with the cops they smear, illegal immigrants with those who want to stop immigration from south of the border, neoconservatives with isolationists, and those who want to make abortion through the third trimester legal and free with pro-life advocates?

Exactly who is this magical person who can get you to give up most of what you believe, and adopt the values and beliefs of others?  Names, please.

And Jesus isn't eligible.  Not a natural born citizen, doncha know.

Of course,  the partisan divide is deep in this country.  But why not a candidate who tries to bridge the divide, who operates from the premise of reconciliation rather than rancor?   Who sees elective office from the perspective of public service, rather than partisan warfare?  Who adheres to political ideology for the purpose of informing sound policy to address real problems, not as a litmus test of tribal loyalty?    Now, that sort of candidate may turn off the hardcore partisans, but for everyone else,  he'd be a breath of fresh air.

I supported such a man in the primaries.   And the polls - dozens of 'em - showed that he would have kicked Clinton's ass.     

[INVAR]

And exactly who would thay be that could unite free market conservatives with Bernie's hardcore socialist supporters, BLM race-baiters who actually manufacturer many of the incidents about which they complain with the cops they smear, illegal immigrants with those who want to stop immigration from south of the border, neoconservatives with isolationists, and those who want to make abortion through the third trimester legal and free with pro-life advocates?

Exactly who is this magical person who can get you to give up most of what you believe, and adopt the values and beliefs of others?  Names, please.

I have to agree with Maj. Bill here.  No one man is going to 'unify' a country that has been this divided for so long.  Americans cannot even agree on what the definition of liberty means anymore.

The entire notion of 'top-down' "fixing the country" is in itself - anathema to what we were founded as, and as such - will only serve to continue our devolution and descent into statism and tyranny.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Luckily most Americans are centrists and not loonytoons idealogues like leftists and rightists.

[Mesaclone]

I repeat............ saying Trump "brought this on" is not in any way supporting the violence.  (Nor are the rest).

I know you want desperately to make that accusation, t_s, but your wish does not a fact make.

You are misinterpreting what is said to support your own feelings that #neverTrumpers support leftist thuggery, and it is simply not the truth.

I hope you still believe what your name says you do.  Seek the TRUTH.

Yes it is, it is an attempt to apportion some of the blame for the violence on the victim of the violence. Its no different than saying a woman deserved to be raped because she wore a little black dress. Its disgusting. There is only one answer and that is total condemnation of this effort to squelch free speech via violence and intimidation. If you used a "but" or the word "context" or a "brought this on", you are simply trying to add a bit of justification for the act and to transfer blame to Mr. Trump and his supporters. That is not OK.

If I showed up at a Hillary rally and started punching people...there is no "but she brought this on by her political view or attitude". There in fact, is no "but" when this sort of anti-democratic violence occurs....nothing, not even in a slight or peripheral way...offers any justification or explanation for these assaults. So unless you're OK with someone saying "she was raped...but...she was wearing a sexy little dress", than you have to condemn the use by anyone of a similar use of the word with regards to these attacks. And let me add, if you are an ethical person you are obligate to condemn them without reservation and with resort to "buts".

[TomSea]

 

Yes it is, it is an attempt to apportion some of the blame for the violence on the victim of the violence. Its no different than saying a woman deserved to be raped because she wore a little black dress. Its disgusting. There is only one answer and that is total condemnation of this effort to squelch free speech via violence and intimidation. If you used a "but" or the word "context" or a "brought this on", you are simply trying to add a bit of justification for the act and to transfer blame to Mr. Trump and his supporters. That is not OK.

If I showed up at a Hillary rally and started punching people...there is no "but she brought this on by her political view or attitude". There in fact, is no "but" when this sort of anti-democratic violence occurs....nothing, not even in a slight or peripheral way...offers any justification or explanation for these assaults. So unless you're OK with someone saying "she was raped...but...she was wearing a sexy little dress", than you have to condemn the use by anyone of a similar use of the word with regards to these attacks.

[musiclady]

Yes it is, it is an attempt to apportion some of the blame for the violence on the victim of the violence. Its no different than saying a woman deserved to be raped because she wore a little black dress. Its disgusting. There is only one answer and that is total condemnation of this effort to squelch free speech via violence and intimidation. If you used a "but" or the word "context" or a "brought this on", you are simply trying to add a bit of justification for the act and to transfer blame to Mr. Trump and his supporters. That is not OK.

If I showed up at a Hillary rally and started punching people...there is no "but she brought this on by her political view or attitude". There in fact, is no "but" when this sort of anti-democratic violence occurs....nothing, not even in a slight or peripheral way...offers any justification or explanation for these assaults. So unless you're OK with someone saying "she was raped...but...she was wearing a sexy little dress", than you have to condemn the use by anyone of a similar use of the word with regards to these attacks. And let me add, if you are an ethical person you are obligate to condemn them without reservation and with resort to "buts".

It's not even remotely similar to that.  And it's disgusting for you to make that connection.

And I think it's hysterical that a Trump slave like you has the gall to talk about anyone else's being "ethical."  You are here crusading for perhaps the least ethical person to ever run for office.  Definitely on the "Republican" ticket............ which, of course, he is not, and his very claiming to be is all by itself unethical.

btw, there was no "but" in anything I said.  I totally condemn anything the left does......... and that includes leftist Donald.

[Mesaclone]

You really are stupid aren't you?  Wait don't answer that...your realization might kill you.

Donald John Trump has made sever unprovoked unwarranted attacks on a sitting judge who is presiding over a lawsuit against him claiming Trump defrauded from unknowing people enrolled in his Trump "University"  He claimed he was "Mexican"...he's not.  And he is using the judges ethnicity to claim that the judge will rule unfavorably against him.

There are certain portions of the Latino community that will take umbrage with that and lash out the way we say in San Jose.

And because your lips are permanently attached and your head is firmly jammed up Orange Jesus' fourth point of contact you're too blind to see that Trump's words sparked what happened.

Stupid like what you're displaying should burn.

That judge is a member of the La Raza Lawyers Association. That is an inherently racist organization, so why would he not bring that up as being relevant to the decisions of the judge? Do you know ANYTHING about La Raza...which literally means "the Race"..it is a disgusting, hateful and openly racist group akin to the KKK for Hispanics.

[Idiot]

That judge is a member of the La Raza Lawyers Association. That is an inherently racist organization, so why would he not bring that up as being relevant to the decisions of the judge? Do you know ANYTHING about La Raza...which literally means "the Race"..it is a disgusting, hateful and openly racist group akin to the KKK for Hispanics.

I have never heard that.  Do you have a link to this info?

Thanks.........

[Mesaclone]

It's not even remotely similar to that.  And it's disgusting for you to make that connection.

And I think it's hysterical that a Trump slave like you has the gall to talk about anyone else's being "ethical."  You are here crusading for perhaps the least ethical person to ever run for office.  Definitely on the "Republican" ticket............ which, of course, he is not, and his very claiming to be is all by itself unethical.

btw, there was no "but" in anything I said.  I totally condemn anything the left does......... and that includes leftist Donald.

You don't like that analogy BECAUSE if fits precisely. And you're right, it IS disgusting which is the point altogether. You don't blame the vile actions of an attacker on the victim by suggesting they created the context or environment to encourage that attack. Its wrong and downright immoral. The "buts" used in this thread are an effort to blame the victim of the attacks...to apportion some blame away from the attacker and suggest the victim was "asking for it". That is EXACTLY the kind of garbage that is thrown at women in rape cases when they are accused of bringing on the injustice of an attack. So its not just similar, it is precisely the same in principle. And that is why it is so disgusting that anyone would take such an approach to mitigate the full responsibility for a vile action from the attacker(s).

Vile is the only apt word, and that analogy the precise ethical comparison.

[musiclady]

You don't like that analogy BECAUSE if fits precisely. The "buts" used in this thread are an effort to blame the victim of the attacks...to apportion some blame away from the attacker and suggest the victim was "asking for it". That is EXACTLY the kind of garbage that is thrown at women in rape cases when they are accused of bringing on the injustice of an attack. So its not just similar, it is precisely the same in principle. And that is why it is so disgusting that anyone would take such an approach to mitigate the full responsibility for a vile action from the attacker(s).

Vile is the only apt word, and that analogy the precise ethical comparison.

No.  It's not.

But kudos for staying true to your womanizing candidate who has no more respect for victims than the man in the moon.

Your inconsistency and loyalty to a reprobate is noteworthy.

[flowers]

I have never heard that.  Do you have a link to this info?

Thanks.........

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/01/judge-presiding-over-trump-university-case-is-member-of-la-raza-lawyers-group/

[Mesaclone]

I have never heard that.  Do you have a link to this info?

Thanks.........

Here's a few, some pro-Trump some anti-Trump sources. Excerpt from one at the bottom.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/01/judge-presiding-over-trump-university-case-is-member-of-la-raza-lawyers-group/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/01/activist-trump-university-la-raza-judge-now-attempts-to-re-seal-court-documents/
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11838858/trump-racism-judge-curiel
here are two actual pieces of evidence that Trump or Trump spokespeople have advanced to demonstrate Curiel's supposed bias. One is that he was appointed by President Barack Obama — something that is true of 320 of America's 860 authorized judges. The other is that he is a member of the La Raza Lawyers Association.

And let me add, as an Arizonan. I know all about La Raza and its connections to the Aztlan and Reconquista movements, and with MECHA. It is a vile and racist organization that, under the purview of the current administration and our compliant press, is allowed to mask itself as some sort of legitimate organization. It is not. It is openly and blatantly racist.

[Norm Lenhart]

But exactly how are they supposed to accomplish that, in a practical sense?  People - including idiots, illiterates, and morons of all stripes, are free to support whomever they wish.  A reasonable guy like @Mesaclone can't prevent folks like WENDLE or Harleylady from supporting Trump, just as none of us can stop people who support our preferred candidates from saying dumb things.

I'd hardly call a guy that claims simultaneously to be a staunch conservative while also saying sick of social conservatives and 'Bible Thumpers' a reasonable guy but that aside, they could very easily be telling their even more fanatical compatriots to tone down the drooling hatred. They could be doing a lot of things to set themselves aside from the FR level fanatics with words alone and say they do not agree with it. For starters. I don't think thats too much to ask.

Instead, they sit silently, content to let the fanatics do the damage in relative comfort.

[Idiot]

Here's a few, some pro-Trump some anti-Trump sources. Excerpt from one at the bottom.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/01/judge-presiding-over-trump-university-case-is-member-of-la-raza-lawyers-group/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/01/activist-trump-university-la-raza-judge-now-attempts-to-re-seal-court-documents/
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11838858/trump-racism-judge-curiel
here are two actual pieces of evidence that Trump or Trump spokespeople have advanced to demonstrate Curiel's supposed bias. One is that he was appointed by President Barack Obama — something that is true of 320 of America's 860 authorized judges. The other is that he is a member of the La Raza Lawyers Association.



And let me add, as an Arizonan. I know all about La Raza and its connections to the Aztlan and Reconquista movements, and with MECHA. It is a vile and racist organization that, under the purview of the current administration and our compliant press, is allowed to mask itself as some sort of legitimate organization. It is not. It is openly and blatantly racist.

Agree...as a Texan La Raza is a racist organization that wants to take back our friggen state!  I kind of lean towards Trump's thinking on this then.

Thanks for the link...

[Mesaclone]

No.  It's not.

But kudos for staying true to your womanizing candidate who has no more respect for victims than the man in the moon.

Your inconsistency and loyalty to a reprobate is noteworthy.

Inconsistency. I'm crystal clear, in every case...blame the attacker not the victim, and don't try to mitigate that blame with "buts" and "what ifs". As for my loyalty, it is to no man..it is to voting for and doing what is best for the future of the country. Just as you were loyal to the man you thought would be best for the country. No difference, other than you consider your view to be morally superior...gotta love that "Christian" humility. Definitely one of those "cast the first stone" sort of gals.

[Mesaclone]

Agree...as a Texan La Raza is a racist organization that wants to take back our friggen state!  I kind of lean towards Trump's thinking on this then.

Thanks for the link...

Glad I could help. They want AZ, NM and California as well...all part of "Aztlan". Unreal that this stuff is being ignored by national media.

[DCPatriot]

just read the whole thread. 

ROFL!   

[musiclady]

Inconsistency. I'm crystal clear, in every case...blame the attacker not the victim, and don't try to mitigate that blame with "buts" and "what ifs". As for my loyalty, it is to no man..it is to voting for and doing what is best for the future of the country. Just as you were loyal to the man you thought would be best for the country. No difference, other than you consider your view to be morally superior...gotta love that "Christian" humility. Definitely one of those "cast the first stone" sort of gals.

Says the man who came to this forum casting stones at all who disagreed with him, feigning moral and intellectual superiority, and mocking his opposition for being lesser than he......... 

Oy.

(btw, it was Trump who 'cast the first stone' by attacking and abusing women left and right.  Sorry, but I find your pretense of horror in the defense of women laughable.  You support a womanizing misogynist who cares about no one but himself. Saying that electing a reprobate is what's "best for this country" is nothing but a distortion of the very definition of what is good, and what this country is).

[Norm Lenhart]

Norm, don't you think that's a bit unfair?

Real life isn't a movie, or a friendly bar fight from 40 years ago.  Not everyone is 200 lbs. and able to handle themselves in a fistfight, nor should that be a requirement to attend a political rally.  It seems that in many of these instances, you have large packs of disruptors surrounding much smaller groups of people who are necessarily dispersing to get to their cars, etc..  I imagine many of them are worried that fighting back may get them set upon by a mob that could seriously hurt or even kill them.  No matter how tough you are, 3 against 20 isn't going to come out well for you.  So rather than taking that risk, they take their lumps and just get the hell out of dodge as fast as they can.

And I don't get the antagonism towards every Trump supporter just because some of them are dumb enough to spout the braggadocious "we don't need your support" line.

History isn't a movie either. And as you peruse it, you will see plenty of examples. Nothing I said is inaccurate. It's all human nature.

I have a very hard time believing that in that entire area there were 3 Trump supporters and throngs of violent protesters. What is most likely is that the Trump supporters there dimply got very quiet or ran away to save themselves. These couple people alone in a crowd? Not very likely.

[sinkspur]

That judge is a member of the La Raza Lawyers Association. That is an inherently racist organization, so why would he not bring that up as being relevant to the decisions of the judge? Do you know ANYTHING about La Raza...which literally means "the Race"..it is a disgusting, hateful and openly racist group akin to the KKK for Hispanics.

I'm amazed that Trumpkins are spouting bullshit about an organization they know nothing about.  La Raza Lawyers appears to be a California association, with chapters in large cities.  I'm betting most Hispanic attorneys  in California belong to it. Nothing on the website indicates they have anything to do with the La Raza organization the Trumpkins are in coronary arrest over. 

Nothing racist about it, any more than the Masons are racist (mostly white guys).  Doesn't look anything like the KKK to me.

http://larazalawyers.net/

[DCPatriot]

It's not even remotely similar to that.  And it's disgusting for you to make that connection.

And I think it's hysterical that a Trump slave like you has the gall to talk about anyone else's being "ethical."  You are here crusading for perhaps the least ethical person to ever run for office.  Definitely on the "Republican" ticket............ which, of course, he is not, and his very claiming to be is all by itself unethical.

btw, there was no "but" in anything I said.  I totally condemn anything the left does......... and that includes leftist Donald.

It's VERY similar, @musiclady !   No matter how long you continue this tantrum.   

[musiclady]

It's VERY similar, @musiclady !   No matter how long you continue this tantrum.

Why do you resort to idiotic comments rather than just make your point?

I'm not having a tantrum.  I'm happily sipping on a Diet Dr. Pepper and listening to the cicadas as they eat our trees.   ^-^

It's Trump-slave Mesaclone who's been having a tantrum here.  Pretending he cares about women and all that rot.

It's just silly to defend Trump by using abuse of women as an argument.

Can't be done.