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Wait...by the standards of Trump himself, that makes Trump...a loser.

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Wait...by the standards of Trump himself, that makes Trump...a loser.

Hmmm, attacking a Judge that is presiding over your case isn't very smart.

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Wait...by the standards of Trump himself, that makes Trump...a loser.

What kind of president goes off on a judge? 

FDR was calmer about Pearl Harbor than this cretin is about a judge on a civil fraud case.

Trump talks about making America great but he has no idea why America is great already.
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Politico already got access to one set of documents a few months ago and published them here:  http://static.politico.com/25/88/783a0dca43a0a898f3973da0086f/trump-university-playbook.pdf

But wait, there's more!

I have to say having taken the time go through it all, that is a well written and very thorough and detailed “playbook”.  The first part has to do a lot with the logistics, on the set up, location, branding, expense reimbursements, etc.

But starting on page 97 – “Sales Paybook” it is all hard sell technics – overcoming objections, closing the deal whatever it takes. Not unique in the sales world but it is what it is – getting the potential buyer (not student- the “playbook” even refers to them as “buyers” or “customers”) in the door with the “free” seminar and then upselling them using high pressure sales tactics. The playbook also encourages the participants to bring a “guest” and or identify friends or family members as potential “students”, i.e. “buyers” which is IMO border line multi-level marketing.

And this is what all these “free seminars” do. I hear advertisements all the time on TV and radio for “Making Money In Real Estate”, many of them recently by “reality” TV show stars like Armando Montelongo of “Flip This House” and Scott Yancey of “Flipping Vegas”.

http://www.scamsgalore.com/armando-montelongo.html

http://www.bbb.org/blog/2012/07/real-estate-investment-seminars-promise-millions-in-reality-they-mostly-just-empty-your-wallet/

https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2011/04/04/real-estate-guru-scam-trap/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB126339524173527817

Trump “University” is really no different.

The “Free” 90-minute seminar - Profit From Real Estate: Orientation - Alias: “The Preview,” “The Front End”, while it may give some general information on real estate investing, what it is designed to do is to close the sale on the 3-day workshop - Alias: “The Fulfillment,” “The Back End,” and then those 3-day workshops are designed to close the sale on one of the “Elite” programs.

Have any of you ever seen or remember the movie Glengarry Glen Ross, based on the David Mamet play of the same name?

ABC = Always Be Closing.

Warning – Language


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4PE2hSqVnk

In the Trump University playbook ABC is called AIDA:

Attention/Interest/Desire/Action.

Attention: Engage the potential customer so that they will want to talk. This can be done by
identifying a need the customer has or an opportunity in which they are interested.

Interest: Continue the discussion with the potential customer so that they will come to
understand that you have a viable solution for their need.

Desire: Persuade the potential customer that your solution to their need is the best
opportunity available.

Action: Ask for the enrollment – go for the “close.”

The Boiler Room is also a good movie along the same lines:

Again Warning – Language


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfIKzReNDF4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C6ZeKpx7xY


It is all about identifying the “Whale” and then landing them.
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Jack Lemon should have won an Academy Award for his role in Glengarry Glen Ross.  One of the greatest acting jobs ever.
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Well, that attack on the judge went well.
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Hmmm, attacking a Judge that is presiding over your case isn't very smart.

He also said that the judge ... born in Indiana ... was a "Mexican".

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“We’re in front of a very hostile judge. The judge was appointed by Barack Obama,” Trump told a campaign rally on the same day as a hearing was held in San Diego over his online real estate school, which closed in 2010. “I mean frankly, he should recuse himself because he’s given us ruling after ruling after ruling, negative, negative, negative.”

U.S. District Court Judge Gonzalo Curiel “happens to be, we believe Mexican, which is great. I think that’s fine,” Trump added of the judge, who was born in East Chicago, Indiana.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trump-hispanic-judge-trump-university-lawsuit-hater

The presumptive GOP nominee is an utter jackass.

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I have to say having taken the time go through it all, that is a well written and very thorough and detailed “playbook”.  The first part has to do a lot with the logistics, on the set up, location, branding, expense reimbursements, etc.

But starting on page 97 – “Sales Paybook” it is all hard sell technics – overcoming objections, closing the deal whatever it takes. Not unique in the sales world but it is what it is – getting the potential buyer (not student- the “playbook” even refers to them as “buyers” or “customers”) in the door with the “free” seminar and then upselling them using high pressure sales tactics. The playbook also encourages the participants to bring a “guest” and or identify friends or family members as potential “students”, i.e. “buyers” which is IMO border line multi-level marketing.

And this is what all these “free seminars” do. I hear advertisements all the time on TV and radio for “Making Money In Real Estate”, many of them recently by “reality” TV show stars like Armando Montelongo of “Flip This House” and Scott Yancey of “Flipping Vegas”.

http://www.scamsgalore.com/armando-montelongo.html

http://www.bbb.org/blog/2012/07/real-estate-investment-seminars-promise-millions-in-reality-they-mostly-just-empty-your-wallet/

https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/2011/04/04/real-estate-guru-scam-trap/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB126339524173527817

Trump “University” is really no different.

The “Free” 90-minute seminar - Profit From Real Estate: Orientation - Alias: “The Preview,” “The Front End”, while it may give some general information on real estate investing, what it is designed to do is to close the sale on the 3-day workshop - Alias: “The Fulfillment,” “The Back End,” and then those 3-day workshops are designed to close the sale on one of the “Elite” programs.

Have any of you ever seen or remember the movie Glengarry Glen Ross, based on the David Mamet play of the same name?

ABC = Always Be Closing.

Warning – Language


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4PE2hSqVnk

In the Trump University playbook ABC is called AIDA:

Attention/Interest/Desire/Action.

Attention: Engage the potential customer so that they will want to talk. This can be done by
identifying a need the customer has or an opportunity in which they are interested.

Interest: Continue the discussion with the potential customer so that they will come to
understand that you have a viable solution for their need.

Desire: Persuade the potential customer that your solution to their need is the best
opportunity available.

Action: Ask for the enrollment – go for the “close.”

The Boiler Room is also a good movie along the same lines:

Again Warning – Language


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfIKzReNDF4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C6ZeKpx7xY


It is all about identifying the “Whale” and then landing them.


Awesome research!!  Thanks for taking so much time and gracing us with the results. 

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Jack Lemon should have won an Academy Award for his role in Glengarry Glen Ross.  One of the greatest acting jobs ever.

It’s been years since I’ve watched the movie but I have to agree. Lemon was outstanding in what was an outstanding ensemble cast - Al Pacino, Alan Arkin, Ed Harris, Kevin Spacey and Jonathan Pryce. Even Alec Baldwin was very good in his role.

I remember when the film came out, there was a bit of controversy over the “language” i.e. the use of the “F” word and other profanities, even leading some of the cast to refer to it as "Death of a F-n' Salesman” although Glengarry Glen Ross does not come close to holding the record, either before or after it came out in 1992. 
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Neverdul, thanks for all that info and hard work.  Very interesting.
Awesome research!!  Thanks for taking so much time and gracing us with the results.

Aw shucks. Thanks!
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Trump involved in crafting controversial Trump University ads, executive testified


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-involved-in-crafting-controversial-trump-university-ads-executive-testified/2016/05/31/f032a488-2741-11e6-ae4a-3cdd5fe74204_story.html

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Donald Trump was personally involved in devising the marketing strategy for Trump University, even vetting potential ads, according to newly disclosed sworn testimony from the company’s top executive taken as part of an ongoing lawsuit.

In the testimony, part of a trove of records made public as a result of a federal judge’s Friday order, the executive said that the real estate mogul was involved in discussions and signed off “any time we had a new ad.”

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The records released Tuesday include documents from employees who described Trump University as a scam, as well as internal company manuals, called “playbooks,” which show that instructors were advised to aggressively steer prospective customers toward the most expensive courses. The playbooks advised staff members to collect “personalized information” about participants to help close sales. One example: “Are they a single parent of three children that may need money for food?”

One former Trump University staffer, Ronald Schnackenberg, wrote in a formal statement unsealed Tuesday that he quit the program in 2007 after working there for less than a year, deciding that it was engaging in “misleading, fraudulent and dishonest” practices. His statement said he was reprimanded by Trump University for not working harder to sell a $35,000 program to a couple who could not afford it and would have had to use disability pay and a loan taken out against equity in their apartment to pay for it.

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He said another salesperson talked the couple into paying for the seminar after he refused. “I was disgusted by this conduct and decided to resign,” he wrote.

Schnackenberg wrote that he never saw Trump in seven months, and he concluded that the program was not intended to teach about real estate but instead that it “preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money.”

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One of the playbooks, first revealed earlier this year by Politico, suggested methods of luring attendees to buy a $1,495 ticket to a three-day workshop, described to those at the free sessions as “all you need” to start getting rich. However, the playbooks urged the sales team to push further, suggesting that those who paid $1,495 be encouraged to upgrade to classes with a mentor that could cost between $9,995 and $34,995.


In the adverts, Trump claimed that that he was overseeing the curriculum and that the faculty would be “hand-picked by me.” but in his earlier testimony from the lawsuit it suggested that Trump was not deeply involved in the substance of the courses and Sexton testified in a separate deposition that Trump did not personally select instructors for the marquee sessions. And Trump, in a sworn deposition, was unable to recall the names of any key faculty members.

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SOURCE: New York Times

URL: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/us/politics/donald-trump-university.html?_r=0

by: By MICHAEL BARBARO and STEVE EDER

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In blunt testimony revealed on Tuesday, former managers of Trump University, the for-profit school started by Donald J. Trump, portray it as an unscrupulous business that relied on high-pressure sales tactics, employed unqualified instructors, made deceptive claims and exploited vulnerable students willing to pay tens of thousands for Mr. Trump’s insights.

One sales manager for Trump University, Ronald Schnackenberg, recounted how he was reprimanded for not pushing a financially struggling couple hard enough to sign up for a $35,000 real estate class, despite his conclusion that it would endanger their economic future. He watched with disgust, he said, as a fellow Trump University salesman persuaded the couple to purchase the class anyway.

“I believe that Trump University was a fraudulent scheme,” Mr. Schnackenberg wrote in his testimony, “and that it preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money.”

For Mr. Trump, whose presidential campaign hinges on his reputation as a businessman, the newly unsealed documents offer an unflattering snapshot of his career since branching out, over the past decade, from building skyscrapers into endeavors that cashed in on his name to sell everything from water and steaks to ties and education.

The release of the documents on Tuesday, under court order, was the latest turn in a federal lawsuit, filed in California by dissatisfied former Trump University students, that has bedeviled the businessman since 2010 and could trail him into the White House if he is elected president.

Mr. Trump, who started the university in 2005, owned 93 percent of the now-defunct company. From the start, he acted as its chief promoter, rather than day-to-day manager, selling it as a tool of financial empowerment that would improve life for thousands of ordinary Americans. It would, he said, “teach you better than the best business school,” according to the transcript of a Web video.

Within the documents made public Tuesday were internal employee guides encouraging customers with little money to pay for the tuition with their credit cards. “We teach the technique of using OPM ... Other People’s Money,” explained the internal instructions for salespeople. The documents pushed employees to exploit the emotions of potential customers. “Let them know you’ve found an answer to their problems,” read confidential instructions to salespeople.

The most striking documents were written testimony from former employees of Trump University who said they had become disenchanted with the university’s tactics and culture. Corrine Sommer, an event manager, recounted how colleagues encouraged students to open up as many credit cards as possible to pay for classes that many of them could not afford.

“It’s O.K., just max out your credit card,” Ms. Sommer recalled their saying.

Jason Nicholas, a sales executive at Trump University, recalled a deceptive pitch used to lure students — that Mr. Trump would be “actively involved” in their education. “This was not true,” Mr. Nicholas testified, saying Mr. Trump was hardly involved at all. Trump University, Mr. Nicholas concluded, was “a facade, a total lie.”

Lawyers for Mr. Trump on Tuesday challenged those characterizations, saying that the testimony of the former Trump University employees “was completely discredited” in depositions taken for the California lawsuit. Lawyers for Mr. Trump declined to release those depositions on Tuesday.

As he has in the past, Mr. Trump argued through representatives that the complaints emanated from a small number of former students and that the vast majority had offered positive reviews of their experience.

“Trump University looks forward to using this evidence, along with much more, to win when the case is brought before a jury,” said Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman for Mr. Trump.

The court records show the role that Mr. Trump — and his outsize reputation — played in trying to sell the real estate classes to thousands of students. Marketing materials bearing his signature encouraged prospective students to take advantage of a downturn in the housing market to earn quick profits. He offered the kind of assurances that financial advisers have long cautioned consumers to be wary of. “How would you like to market-proof your financial future,” Mr. Trump asked in one brochure.

Mr. Trump started the for-profit Trump University just as the overheated American housing market neared its peak, promising that its classes would impart his wisdom about real estate and moneymaking to the general public.

But dozens of complaints about the school rolled into the offices of attorneys general in Florida, Texas, New York and Illinois, officials said, prompting multiple investigations and, eventually, the lawsuit from former students in California.

Mr. Trump had fought Tuesday’s release of previously sealed documents in the case. In an apparent attempt to discredit the judge in the case, Gonzalo P. Curiel, Mr. Trump called him biased and a “hater of Donald Trump,” and he sought to draw attention to the judge’s ethnic background — “we believe Mexican,” Mr. Trump said. (Mr. Curiel was born in Indiana; he is of Mexican descent.)

On Friday, in response to a legal motion filed by The Washington Post, Judge Curiel ruled that the records be released. Some of the documents unsealed Tuesday were previously made public in connection with other lawsuits.

The internal guidebooks for employees of Trump University provide a detailed set of instructions for how to sell the classes, even to skeptical and reluctant consumers, by tapping into their psychological needs.

A chart outlines the stages of the “roller coaster of emotions” that a buyer will experience. (The “Blast” phase, it explains, is “giving your clients hope again.” The “Probe” phase, it says, must “slowly bring the client back down to reality.”)

When it comes to selling the classes, the guidebooks leave little to chance. Inside the rooms where students are asked to enroll in classes, workers are asked to “confirm that room temperature is no more than 68 degrees.”

Of course, Mr. Trump and the promise of his engagement with the school was the biggest draw of all. In the documents released Tuesday, instructors described themselves as “hand-selected” by Mr. Trump. But in a deposition related to the lawsuit, Mr. Trump acknowledged that he did not pick the instructors.

Not all the documents made public on Tuesday were critical. Many former students said the classes delivered exactly what they had expected. “Trump University definitely made me more prepared to tackle the ‘real world’ of real estate investing,” wrote David Wright Jr., who signed up for a six-month program. “We really learned a lot of from Trump University and have found a modicum of success,” wrote another student, Kissy Gordon.

Former employees like Ms. Sommer took a dimmer view of the school. In her testimony, she said she was startled by the qualifications of some Trump University instructors.

Ms. Sommer recalled that a member of the Trump University sales team, who had previously sold jewelry, was promoted to become an instructor. He had “no real estate experience,” she said.

She added that many of the instructors had the quality that the school seemed to value most: “They were skilled at high-pressure sales,” she said.

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http://www.inquisitr.com/3155304/trump-universitys-cut-throat-sales-tactics-revealed-in-unsealed-court-documents/

EXCERPT:

Ronald Schnackenberg, the ex-sales manager of the venture, gave testimony describing the whole system as “fraudulent,” taking advantage of the people’s gullibility to rake in profits for Donald Trump.

In fact, he claimed that he got a scolding at one point because he didn’t convince a couple to sign up for the $35,000 course. At that time, he believed that they would be buried in debt had they joined Trump University.

Nevertheless, another colleague stepped in and convinced the couple anyway.

He said the system was built to prey upon “the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money.”

Another sales executive at Trump University, Jason Nicholas, claimed that they were told to tell their students that Donald Trump will actively share with them his secrets in real estate. That pitch was a lie, he said, since Trump “was hardly involved at all.”

Corrine Sommer, a former events manager for Trump University, seemed to back up the claims of the plaintiffs, who insisted that the instructors at Trump University did not offer real advice on real estate. Sommer said that those who taught the courses had no qualifications to do so.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3155304/trump-universitys-cut-throat-sales-tactics-revealed-in-unsealed-court-documents/#JQq7j1LI4XTGX09m.99

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Explains his press conference yesterday.
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The judge trumped Trump.
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In the adverts, Trump claimed that that he was overseeing the curriculum and that the faculty would be “hand-picked by me.”

This is the exact same selling point Trump supporters use as to how Trump is going to make America great in that he's going to pick the right people for the jobs.  This Trump U scheme shows that it's all complete BS.
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What did our poor nation do to deserve this?

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I think he was speaking about slavery, but that's been paid for in spades. Abortion, perhaps.
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While Trump was goniffing people out of dough for Trump U, look what the judge he maligned did.

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Not all the documents made public on Tuesday were critical. . . .  “We . . . have found a modicum of success,” wrote another student, Kissy Gordon.

What a rousing endorsement!

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"his statement had more than a modicum of truth"

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Students who threatened to criticize the school were punished with bad grades and threats of lawsuits. Former students who did sue were counter-sued in SLAPP suits. This is the kind of vindictive attitude that Trump always displays.

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Explains his press conference yesterday.

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While Trump was goniffing people out of dough for Trump U, look what the judge he maligned did.


Its looks like lying piece of shit stumpy has bullied someone who won't be bullied.  I hope the judge jails his lying liberal ass for contempy, sine stumpy is completely,  irredemiably contemptible.
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" gave testimony describing the whole system as “fraudulent,” taking advantage of the people’s gullibility to rake in profits for Donald Trump."

So is this quote about Trump University or his campaign?

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Crime: Alleged gunman for Tijuana drug gang was taped threatening to arrange murder of official who is seeking his extradition, court documents say.
August 28, 1997|ANNE-MARIE O'CONNOR | TIMES STAFF WRITER

SAN DIEGO — An alleged gunman for the Tijuana drug cartel threatened to arrange the killing of a U.S. prosecutor who is seeking his extradition to Mexico, according to recently filed court documents.

Court documents say the threat against assistant U.S. Atty. Gonzalo Curiel was made by Emilio Valdez Mainero in a bugged conversation with a convicted cocaine trafficker and government informant who befriended Valdez at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in San Diego.

The allegations underscore the fears of law enforcement officers along the 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border, which has become the front line for international drug smuggling. And they come on the eve of a visit by U.S. drug czar Barry McCaffrey to San Diego and Tijuana.

Curiel has been living under tight security since he took up the extradition case against two alleged cartel henchmen, known in Tijuana as "juniors" because their families are well-to-do. The two were arrested in San Diego after a bi-national manhunt following the Mexico City assassination of the Baja California federal police chief.


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This confirms it.  Trump is a dumbass.
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Oh, and so is the poster who hinted that this judge should be impeached.
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