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Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« on: May 28, 2016, 03:14:34 pm »
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Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade

James Pethokoukis
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Sometimes you hear economic wisdom from politicians — they are so sure! — but their “facts” may not reflect reality. A few examples just from today:

1) Better trade deals can bring jobs home? Maybe not. From the BBC:

Apple and Samsung supplier Foxconn has reportedly replaced 60,000 factory workers with robots. One factory has “reduced employee strength from 110,000 to 50,000 thanks to the introduction of robots”, a government official told the South China Morning Post.

Xu Yulian, head of publicity for the Kunshan region, added: “More companies are likely to follow suit.”

China is investing heavily in a robot workforce. In a statement to the BBC, Foxconn Technology Group confirmed that it was automating “many of the manufacturing tasks associated with our operations” but denied that it meant long-term job losses.

“We are applying robotics engineering and other innovative manufacturing technologies to replace repetitive tasks previously done by employees, and through training, also enable our employees to focus on higher value-added elements in the manufacturing process, such as research and development, process control and quality control. “We will continue to harness automation and manpower in our manufacturing operations, and we expect to maintain our significant workforce in China.”

2) Free trade is driving manufacturing job losses? Maybe not. From the Financial Times:

If rightwing populism is to be defeated, one must offer alternatives. In a forthcoming article Dartmouth College’s Douglas Irwin notes that protectionism is quack medicine. Productivity growth accounted for more than 85 per cent of the job losses in manufacturing between 2000 and 2010. — “How to defeat right-wing populism” (Financial Times.)

3) Worker wages are stagnant? Maybe not. From the Washington Post:

It’s conventional wisdom that wage stagnation has contributed to the sluggish recovery and the downcast attitudes of millions. But what if it’s not true?

A new study from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco suggests just that. It concludes that widely cited figures showing stagnation are mostly a statistical fluke. Workers continuously employed in full-time jobs received wage increases higher than inflation from 2002 to 2015. Last year, the gain was a 3.5 percent increase after inflation, up from 1.2 percent in 2010.

Typically, the median wage — the wage exactly in the middle of all wages — is cited as evidence of stagnation. Indeed, the Fed study confirms this. Median wage increases have fluctuated around 2 percent, unadjusted for inflation. But the median wage is misleading, the report argues, because it’s heavily driven by demographic changes: an influx of young and part-time workers whose relatively low wages drag down the median; and the retirement of baby-boom workers whose relatively higher pay no longer lifts up the median.

“Exiting workers with higher wage levels are [being] replaced by entrants to full-time employment who earn less than the median wage,” says the study, which was done by economists Mary Daly and Benjamin Pyle of the San Francisco Fed and Bart Hobijn of Arizona State University. The result is that all workers, as judged by the median wage, seem to be treading water when many workers are actually receiving modest increases.
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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2016, 03:27:26 pm »
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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2016, 03:40:17 pm »
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Nice Democrat talking points.  We are officially through the looking glass.   **nononono*

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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2016, 03:45:12 pm »
Nice Democrat talking points.  We are officially through the looking glass.   **nononono*


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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2016, 03:46:19 pm »
Nice Democrat talking points.  We are officially through the looking glass.   **nononono*

Since you have nothing to counter the facts posted in the article, it's clear all YOU have are Trump talking points.
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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2016, 03:49:39 pm »
If automation and productivity have been the two largest factors for loss of manufacturing jobs then why does nearly every item you pick up say Make in China, Made in Mexico, Made in Vietnam..shouldn't the products still say Made in USA if co's went form workers to automation in the US

Bullcrap article.

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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2016, 04:03:19 pm »
If automation and productivity have been the two largest factors for loss of manufacturing jobs then why does nearly every item you pick up say Make in China, Made in Mexico, Made in Vietnam..shouldn't the products still say Made in USA if co's went form workers to automation in the US

Bullcrap article.

No, because manufacturing is still cost-prohibitive in the US.  Consider just the Eco-fascist regulations industrial manufacturers have to contend with here.  Building a factory to produce many of those goods would entail such high costs that not even cutting marginal labor costs with robots would make it cost-effective. 

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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2016, 04:35:10 pm »
No, because manufacturing is still cost-prohibitive in the US.  Consider just the Eco-fascist regulations industrial manufacturers have to contend with here.  Building a factory to produce many of those goods would entail such high costs that not even cutting marginal labor costs with robots would make it cost-effective.


BS argument. With robotics and other stuff the manufacturing can be put in locations with a low cost of operations. Sufficient to compete with Shipped goods from overseas that have that cost added to their less regulatory manufacturing. So lower property, utilities and labor costs for local production more then make up for the shipping augmented low regulation producers in other countries with better quality and value.
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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2016, 04:53:00 pm »
No, because manufacturing is still cost-prohibitive in the US.  Consider just the Eco-fascist regulations industrial manufacturers have to contend with here.  Building a factory to produce many of those goods would entail such high costs that not even cutting marginal labor costs with robots would make it cost-effective.

http://qz.com/633080/the-rise-and-fall-of-american-productivity-growth/

After 150 years, the American productivity miracle is over
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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2016, 04:56:52 pm »
http://qz.com/633080/the-rise-and-fall-of-american-productivity-growth/

After 150 years, the American productivity miracle is over

The author reminds me of the possibly apocryphal patent office examiner who supposedly said sometime in the early 1900s that the patent office should be shut down because pretty much anything worth patenting had already been invented and patented. 

I'm sure there is some validity to his arguments, but I doubt his ultimate conclusions in toto.

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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2016, 05:00:25 pm »
Well, to buttress his argument, here's another chart and article from AEI:



Chart of the Day: US productivity growth is set to fall for the first time in decades. Should we worry a little or a lot?

https://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-us-productivity-growth-is-set-to-fall-for-the-first-time-in-decades-should-we-worry-a-little-or-a-lot/
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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2016, 05:03:39 pm »
Well, to buttress his argument, here's another chart and article from AEI:



Chart of the Day: US productivity growth is set to fall for the first time in decades. Should we worry a little or a lot?

https://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-us-productivity-growth-is-set-to-fall-for-the-first-time-in-decades-should-we-worry-a-little-or-a-lot/
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Re: Some possible mythbusting on wages, jobs, and trade
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2016, 08:31:39 pm »
Hate to say it but the golden age of American manufacturing is over. The only reason why American manufacturing was superior up until the 60's was due to the fact is we had no competition. The rest of the world was either bombed out or had no factories at all. [size=78%] [/size]
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