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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #100 on: May 30, 2016, 11:11:31 pm »
roamer_1, I appreciate your optimism even while I don't share it currently.   I think it's good  that you have some folks reminding us not to lose heart, even while others take a different view.  We need each other,

Thank you sitetest, and let me say, you're one of the best - I have always appreciated your stalwart position, even when we have had our differences.

Maybe it's the cowboy way, drilled so very deeply into me, that will cause me to go down guns blazing - But if there ever was a hill to die on, this is it.

A bit of encouragement from an unlikely source:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlTJrNJ5lA


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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #101 on: June 01, 2016, 08:50:13 pm »
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How do you  ping people on this thing?

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #102 on: June 01, 2016, 09:10:00 pm »
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Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?

 The short answer is no.  Watch the Milo  interview at UCLA last night. He explains it way better than I ever can.

 The bashing by the liberal left of  conservatives and the hold of social conservatives on the right is OVER.

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #103 on: June 01, 2016, 09:38:13 pm »
The short answer is no.  Watch the Milo  interview at UCLA last night. He explains it way better than I ever can.

 The bashing by the liberal left of  conservatives and the hold of social conservatives on the right is OVER.

Sorry... you'll find out the truth when the 60m strong Christian Right has it's say in November

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #104 on: June 01, 2016, 09:57:23 pm »
Sorry... you'll find out the truth when the 60m strong Christian Right has it's say in November

OH I believe it. Trump is going to win.
You missed my point. The Christian right no longer has it's influence in the party nor does the far left over it's own denizens and no longer do liberals hold sway over the right via popular media. Liberals are on the run.

Again watch the Milo interview last night.

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #105 on: June 01, 2016, 10:11:23 pm »
OH I believe it. Trump is going to win.

No, he won't.

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You missed my point. The Christian right no longer has it's influence in the party nor does the far left over it's own denizens and no longer do liberals hold sway over the right via popular media. Liberals are on the run.

Both of those statements are laughable.

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Again watch the Milo interview last night.

Link?

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #106 on: June 01, 2016, 10:13:28 pm »
How do you  ping people on this thing?

@Mrs Don-o

email notifacation

and / or go to profile > mentions to pick up pings to you

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #107 on: June 01, 2016, 10:25:09 pm »
Forgive the hijack everybody. I'll get @Mrs Don-o sorted out.

If she doesn't

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #108 on: June 01, 2016, 10:41:36 pm »


Both of those statements are laughable.

Link?

Laughable? When has abortion or gays even been mentioned in this election?

Actual interview is about  an hour long.. The first part is people milling about.  Milo gives good insight into the future of politics.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK8SsvNKef0

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #109 on: June 01, 2016, 11:52:36 pm »
Laughable? When has abortion or gays even been mentioned in this election?

You obviously took no occasion to listen to Cruz.
 
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Milo gives good insight into the future of politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK8SsvNKef0

Unnngh. What an inglorious screed. Caustic and crude. Flame-baiting... If this is 'fact and reason' we are all doomed.

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #110 on: June 01, 2016, 11:57:06 pm »
Unnngh. What an inglorious screed. Caustic and crude. Flame-baiting... If this is 'fact and reason' we are all doomed.

I'll take 'We're all doomed' for twenty Alex….
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #111 on: June 01, 2016, 11:58:40 pm »
You obviously took no occasion to listen to Cruz.
 
Unnngh. What an inglorious screed. Caustic and crude. Flame-baiting... If this is 'fact and reason' we are all doomed.

I was referring to the American public..  Cruz brought up social issues and look where he is at.

95% of the American people can care less about about gays or abortion. 

You have 2.5% of the far left (DU types) and 2.5% of the far right (FR types) who care about these issues.  What the American people care about is their job and or  loss of them and the lowering of their standard of living.


Milo was spot on.

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #112 on: June 02, 2016, 12:00:07 am »
Laughable? When has abortion or gays even been mentioned in this election?

Actual interview is about  an hour long.. The first part is people milling about.  Milo gives good insight into the future of politics.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK8SsvNKef0

I'm supposed to watch a two hour video? Ain't nobody got time fo' dat.

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #113 on: June 02, 2016, 12:15:06 am »
I was referring to the American public..  Cruz brought up social issues and look where he is at.

95% of the American people can care less about about gays or abortion. 

[...] 2.5% of the far right (FR types) who care about these issues.

The Christian Right is 2.5%?? Oh, how very wrong you are. EPIC error.

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #114 on: June 02, 2016, 04:32:28 pm »
Forgive the hijack everybody. I'll get @Mrs Don-o sorted out.

If she doesn't

 :smash:


Me first

Thanks for the sorting.  Sorta!

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #115 on: June 02, 2016, 04:40:21 pm »


95% of the American people can care less about about gays or abortion. 

 
@roamer_1

Do you mean can NOT care less? Laying aside that accuracy of that assertion, if were true it would be a confirmation that the Republic is past restoring.


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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #116 on: June 02, 2016, 04:43:45 pm »
The Christian Right is 2.5%?? Oh, how very wrong you are. EPIC error.

@mirraflake

I never said the Christian Right is 2.5%.

What I said is 2.5% of the left and 2.5% of the right( i.e. 1-2 issue voters)  care about  gays and abortion during elections and 95% of the rest of the population don't give a rats a**...ok maybe another 2-3% care

If you think the views at Freerepublic  even 1-2 years ago are the norm you are terribly mistaken. The vast majority  of the country is middle of the road.

I will say it..most American people look at the views of FR and DU as weird.


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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #117 on: June 02, 2016, 05:03:35 pm »
I was referring to the American public..  Cruz brought up social issues and look where he is at.
95% of the American people can care less about about gays or abortion.  You have 2.5% of the far left (DU types) and 2.5% of the far right (FR types) who care about these issues.  What the American people care about is their job and or  loss of them and the lowering of their standard of living. @roamer_1

I don't want to agree ...but really today one can no longer have their head in the sand when it comes to the US population . It's not only politicians who can be bought....in the self centered entitlement society we have today it's all about who gets their's first ...and they do have a price as well.

Abortion and gays are 'just the evidence' of of a decaying populace nation that is more than willing to accomodate any vice and practice so they can practice theirs......if you don't think so just look at how central "taking selfies" is to the public today in all manner of poses and places....Everywhere you go on social networks are loaded with young girls of all ages trying to be seductive. ...which is nothing ore than an 'exhibitionist' display by so many today who haven't a clue what that even means.

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #118 on: June 02, 2016, 05:10:43 pm »
I don't want to agree ...but really today one can no longer have their head in the sand when it comes to the US population . It's not only politicians who can be bought....in the self centered entitlement society we have today it's all about who gets their's first ...and they do have a price as well.

Abortion and gays are 'just the evidence' of of a decaying populace nation that is more than willing to accomodate any vice and practice so they can practice theirs......if you don't think so just look at how central "taking selfies" is to the public today in all manner of poses and places....Everywhere you go on social networks are loaded with young girls of all ages trying to be seductive. ...which is nothing ore than an 'exhibitionist' display by so many today who haven't a clue what that even means.

Catherine of Aragon said this on another  thread which proves your point (whoops she already relied to you)

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I agree with you, WAC.  Over the weekend I had conversations with some of my inlaws---evangelical Christians themselves---which blew me away and left me wondering what had come over them. 

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #119 on: June 02, 2016, 05:33:46 pm »
What an amazing thread!

Great minds presenting opinions that matter and make a difference. Good reads and I salute you all! Thank you!



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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #120 on: June 02, 2016, 05:55:35 pm »
Catherine of Aragon said this on another  thread which proves your point (whoops she already relied to you)

@CatherineofAragon


Yes, I think many understand there's a darkness that's sweeping over this nation in every venue of public discourse as well throughout our Governance. ....we've watched and fought this back for a long time....However our nations population is not what it once was as immigrants have been flooding in for decades along with their cultural, religious, and political ideas..... So rather than assimilate they are 'major' activists and organizations who are uniting together with the mindset to use this countries laws and freedoms to change this country into something else entirely......  and while doing so push Christianity and Conservatisim out of the mainstream.  So far they are successfully accomplishing this as their numbers and political power has increased without any pushback sufficient to stop the tide. ...in fact our borders and immigration policies have nothing to do with "protecting or securing" our country.......rather to be used to
expedite the global order of repopulating 3rd world cultures and peoples into western nations who are now "mentally positioned" to accept or yield to this influx and all it brings with it.

Even Trumps "Wall" has nothing to do with keeping them out, rather to organize and maintain a free flow of "human capital" to this nation from Mexico and South America. .......nobody is going to stop this Global Agenda.....it operates above the general populations
awareness and it's advance is far beyond the publics current knowledge of.

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #121 on: June 02, 2016, 06:38:27 pm »

Yes, I think many understand there's a darkness that's sweeping over this nation in every venue of public discourse as well throughout our Governance. ....and while doing so push Christianity and Conservatisim out of the mainstream.  .....it operates above the general populations awareness and it's advance is far beyond the publics current knowledge of.

I posted this on another thread discussing the teacher that got pregnant over her sex affair with a 13 year old student and it fits perfectly with what you and @CatherineofAragon had posted.  It's an indictment of this people and nation from the scriptures themselves:

Furthermore, just as the people did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what is shameful. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; disobedient to their parents; having no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve judgment, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. - Romans 1:28-32

Here we are.

Such a people are the authors of their own destruction.

And the nation they influence.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #122 on: June 02, 2016, 07:35:14 pm »
I posted this on another thread discussing the teacher that got pregnant over her sex affair with a 13 year old student and it fits perfectly with what you and @CatherineofAragon had posted.  It's an indictment of this people and nation from the scriptures themselves:

Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve judgment, they not only continue to do these very things but also "approve of those who practice them". - Romans 1:28-32

Here we are......Such a people are the authors of their own destruction....And the nation they influence.


I narrowed your scripture reference because i think it's important to recognize that the reasons so much is tolerated which never was is because people want to hold onto their own vices as well, thus approving others establishes the 'right" to do so in their eyes. Moral Relativism at it's best.

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« Reply #123 on: June 02, 2016, 08:32:41 pm »

I narrowed your scripture reference because i think it's important to recognize that the reasons so much is tolerated which never was is because people want to hold onto their own vices as well, thus approving others establishes the 'right" to do so in their eyes. Moral Relativism at it's best.

Which is why regardless of who is running for president - Conservatism as it was once understood, cannot survive as a relevant impact on a people and party, anymore than Christianity has impact in our debased culture.    Conservatism is become irrelevant to most and lukewarm at best, having no real value in the minds of many and easily redefined to fit the norms of a debased culture. 

The pillars of freedom rested on what we once knew as Principled Conservatism.  Without biblical principles, morality and religion shaping an American culture and worldview - liberty itself cannot survive or exist in such an environment.

Which is why we have lost so much of it so easily and the majority do not even miss it or notice it is gone.

Freedom is slavery.  War is peace.  Shackles are bracelets of privilege.  Conservatism is evil.  Socialism is fairness.

And everyone adopts to the redefinition and a narrative to create perception becomes reality.

Conservatism is being redefined into what we once knew as Northeastern Liberalism, and the devolution will continue to render the meaning of what it once stood for, irrelevant.
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Re: Can Social Conservatism Survive Trump?
« Reply #124 on: June 02, 2016, 09:25:45 pm »
This is another reason the 16th amendment needs to be repealed. If the federal government taxed the states based on their population, instead of direct taxation, the states would not be so hasty to give sanctuary to all those nuts and kooks out there. It would greatly limit the federal governments power over the states.
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