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Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« on: May 27, 2016, 06:51:44 pm »
Why you should be impressed by Trump's win

W. James Antle III (@jimantle) • 5/26/16 2:22 PM

Let's give credit where it's due. When Donald Trump took his famous escalator ride nearly a year ago, few people outside Trump Tower thought he could win the Republican presidential nomination.
 
Now he has secured the majority of delegates. Before the Republican National Convention. Before the June 7 primaries, including New Jersey and California. Before receiving House Speaker Paul Ryan's endorsement. Before Hillary Clinton.
 
Trump did this without a pollster. Without a campaign staff of even 100 people. Without moderating his rhetoric. Without acting presidential. Without the support of either the party establishment or the conservative movement.
 
The billionaire was ridiculed as not even being a real candidate. (There was a chart to prove it!) He quickly dispatched a field of 17 other contenders who were mostly highly regarded, including senators, governors and perhaps a half a dozen potential presidents, before Clinton could put away septuagenarian socialist Bernie Sanders. Today, Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee.
 
When the Trump campaign predicted in an internal memo that their candidate would amass over 1,400 delegates, it seemed like an absurd projection. Now it's not quite so farfetched. The Associated Press has him at 1,238 already. Winner-take-all New Jersey plus just half of California's delegates would put him 25 votes away from this threshold.
 
Some of it was luck. Some of it was a series of well-timed implosions. Marco Rubio never achieved liftoff. Ted Cruz never really consolidated conservatives. John Kasich never came close to winning outside Ohio. The big Republican donors never opened their wallets against him and party leaders like Mitt Romney sat on their hands until it was too late.
 
For all of Trump's complaints about the "rigged" process, many of the rules that were supposed to help the establishment — limited debates, winner-take-all and winner-take-most delegate allocation in places like the Northeast, some front-loaded Trump-friendly states — actually benefited him.
 
But with the exception of George W. Bush's two terms, the Republican establishment has been getting weaker each presidential campaign. It took an even less probable series of events for John McCain to win in 2008. Romney struggled to put away Rick Santorum, and both George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole were bloodied by Pat Buchanan.
 
Trump not only identified a core of Republican voters who were angry at their party's leaders, ranging from moderates who thought the GOP elected officials were too obstructionist to Tea Partiers who thought they were incapable of accomplishing anything for conservatives. He tapped into a large mass of voters who were instinctively pro-American and anti-liberal, but not really interested in the finer points of conservative ideology or policy.

So when Cruz and company hammered away at Trump for not being a true conservative, many of these voters replied, "So what?" And a subset of conservatives no longer trusted those who were willing to excuse transgressions by Romney, McCain or Bush.
 
Most political professionals were skeptical that you could minimize paid advertising by flooding the zone with earned media. Trump bet you could and he was right. It was seen as unlikely that you could bond with voters in the early states without traditional retail politicking. Trump's large-scale rallies effectively replaced the grocery-bagging and glad-handling favored by old-school pols and were successful in big media markets too.
 
It will be difficult for Trump to replicate a lot of this in the general election. It's entirely possible his lack of organization, his inability to soothe intraparty divisions and his demographic disadvantages will catch up with him as he faces a Democratic foe who is expecting to run against him and won't be taken by surprise.
 
Yet you can't count him out. His poll numbers have predictably improved, while Clinton's unfavorable ratings have remained high (though lower than his). She is still keeping a relatively low media profile while he is ubiquitous. The race with Sanders is ending on a contentious note and the email situation, while unlikely to knock her out of the race, doesn't appear likely to conclude with a total exoneration.
 
You may not like Trump, but you do have to admit he has some natural political talent. The GOP has been his latest corporate takeover.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/why-you-should-be-impressed-by-trumps-win/article/2592392
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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2016, 07:06:32 pm »
"He tapped into a large mass of voters who were instinctively pro-American and anti-liberal, but not really interested in the finer points of conservative ideology or policy."

'Finer points of conservative ideology' - I guess thats what constitutionalism is considered these days.

We will regret eschewing the founding principles for populism one day, probably sooner than later.

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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2016, 07:07:01 pm »
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The GOP has been his latest corporate takeover.

What's happening is more of a shareholder revolt. 

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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2016, 07:12:52 pm »
I'm not impressed, I'm disgusted.

Half the population wants Communism, more than a quarter want Fascist Populism and the rest don't care about any of it.

But that is what this nation has become since it tossed God out of the culture and rendered it lukewarm at best.

It's not surprising that the hordes want their king or queen to rule over them and punish their domestic enemies.

It's what has happened to every republic that came before ours - and now we've discarded the Constitution and the Republic for a defacto-Dictatorship/monarchy.

And the people cheer and write grand explanations as to why all of this is genius and progressive.
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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2016, 07:18:39 pm »
I'm not impressed, I'm disgusted.

Half the population wants Communism, more than a quarter want Fascist Populism and the rest don't care about any of it.

What is "fascist populism"?

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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2016, 07:21:24 pm »
skeeter and INVAR, Well said my friends!!!!!

We've discarded natural law in favor of a government of men.

I am not optimistic.

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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2016, 08:12:38 pm »
We've discarded natural law in favor of a government of men.

I am not optimistic.

This is exactly what we were warned would happen.

To paraphrase 3 Patriarchs: If a people will not be governed by God, they will be ruled by the tyranny of men - and tyrants will forge their chains.
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2016, 08:14:52 pm »
Fart for freedom, fart for liberty and fart proudly.  - Benjamin Franklin

...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2016, 08:38:56 pm »


Big whoop .... a speaker is caught on camera in an unflattering pose.   It happens to everyone :shrug:


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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2016, 08:42:46 pm »
Here, let me help you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism#Fascism_and_populism

Thanks.  I did not know this:

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Populism rose during the Reformation; Protestant groups like the Anabaptists formed ideas about ideal theocratic societies, in which peasants would be able to read the Bible themselves. Attempts to establish these societies were made during the German Peasants' War (1524–1525) and the Münster Rebellion (1534–1535). The peasant movement ultimately failed as cities and nobles made their own peace with the princely armies, which restored the old order under the nominal overlordship of the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, represented in German affairs by his younger brother Ferdinand.[34]

The same conditions contributed to the outbreak of the English Revolution of 1642–1651, also known as the English Civil War. Conditions led to a proliferation of ideologies and political movements among peasants, self-employed artisans, and working-class people in England. Many of these groups had a dogmatic Protestant religious bent. They included Puritans and the Levellers.[35]


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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2016, 10:46:45 pm »
Here, let me help you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism#Fascism_and_populism

And the SAME Wiki article points to the TEA PARTY as another example of a Populist movement in the US.

If you were to attend a Trump rally you would swear the attendees were the same people from Tea Party rallies, because many of them are precisely that.


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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2016, 11:16:47 pm »
Sorry, but a bunch of angry people who are willing to ruin the country in order to indulge their spirit of vengeance doesn't impress me at all.

Neither does Trump.  He never has.

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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2016, 11:34:31 pm »
Big whoop .... a speaker is caught on camera in an unflattering pose.   It happens to everyone

Must be Trump's favorite face:


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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2016, 11:41:29 pm »
And the SAME Wiki article points to the TEA PARTY as another example of a Populist movement in the US.

If you were to attend a Trump rally you would swear the attendees were the same people from Tea Party rallies, because many of them are precisely that.

Yep.  Mostly white people. And the TEA PARTY is basically defunct.
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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2016, 01:35:21 am »
I'm not impressed, I'm disgusted.

Half the population wants Communism, more than a quarter want Fascist Populism and the rest don't care about any of it.

But that is what this nation has become since it tossed God out of the culture and rendered it lukewarm at best.

It's not surprising that the hordes want their king or queen to rule over them and punish their domestic enemies.

It's what has happened to every republic that came before ours - and now we've discarded the Constitution and the Republic for a defacto-Dictatorship/monarchy.

And the people cheer and write grand explanations as to why all of this is genius and progressive.

Me, too.  Totally disgusted.  The explanation isn't that mysterious... it's relatively simple.

Trump tapped into the hate that a lot of people felt for the media, for political correctness, for muslims, for illegal immigrants and so on.  He said things that no one had heard a candidate say and he did so without apology.

All that struck a chord with a segment of voters.

Then, in the early primaries, he traded on his notoriety and the media cooperated to the tune of billions.  In states where he had 16 or 17 opponents, he managed to get about a third of the vote with two-thirds against him but divided among other candidates.

By the time the field narrowed, his lead was too big to overcome.  His zombies worshipped him and wouldn't listen to a word against him.

That stops now.  Hillary has more ammunition than a marine battalion ... it won't be hard for her to paint him as being more evil than she is and she has a solid base who will never support any Republican even one as liberal as Trump.

I am so afraid that nominating this horrible man will cost us dearly.
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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2016, 01:37:08 am »
I am impressed by the boundless idiocy of the American people.

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Re: Why you should be impressed by Trump's win
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2016, 02:46:23 am »
Sorry not impressed that a two-bit shyster waltzed y'all down the garden path.
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