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Trump: I'll Debate Bernie for Charity
« on: May 26, 2016, 01:55:22 pm »
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Chances are likely slim, but what about a Donald Trump-Bernie Sanders debate heading into the crucial June 7 California primary?

That possibility surfaced Wednesday, even if in a jocular tone, in an indirect exchange between the Republican billionaire real estate mogul and the senator who Hillary Clinton hasn't been able to bump from the Democratic presidential sweepstakes.

On ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live," Trump said he enjoyed watching Clinton's increasingly heated sparring with Sanders.

"I had no idea it was going to be so nasty," said Trump, who said he'd be happy to engage Sanders in a one-on-one debate — as long as significant money goes to charity.

Sanders said on Twitter he'd welcome that. "Game on. I look forward to debating Donald Trump in California before the June 7 primary."
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Re: Trump: I'll Debate Bernie for Charity
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2016, 02:27:16 pm »
Right Donald. Debate a crazy man.

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2016, 02:31:48 pm »
We all know how well The Orangish one delivers on his "For Charity" promises. 

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2016, 02:37:23 pm »
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That's odd.  He was unwilling to debate Ted Cruz.  He's safer debating Sanders since they have so much in common.
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Re: Trump: I'll Debate Bernie for Charity
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2016, 02:41:08 pm »
Right Donald. Debate a crazy man.

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I don't know. I'd watch it. Sanders might surprise you. That pure ad-libbing when the bird landed on his podium - no one could have rehearsed that.
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Re: Trump: I'll Debate Bernie for Charity
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2016, 02:46:55 pm »
The ratings would be huge, but it would be a terrible move by Trump.  Absolutely nothing to gain, and if he think it would just be he and Bernie uniting in opposition to Hillary...he ought to think again.

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Re: Trump: I'll Debate Bernie for Charity
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2016, 02:50:16 pm »
I'm gonna disagree with you on there being nothing to gain.

Hillary has the nomination (FBI and DoJ permitting) but Sanders is keeping her massively off balance. A little extra face time for him will knock her more off kilter. Providing Trump DOESN'T put his foot in his mouth, it'll make Sanders supporters LESS likely to bother to vote for Her Thighness in the actual election. That is always a good thing.
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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2016, 02:54:20 pm »
I'm gonna disagree with you on there being nothing to gain.

Hillary has the nomination (FBI and DoJ permitting) but Sanders is keeping her massively off balance. A little extra face time for him will knock her more off kilter. Providing Trump DOESN'T put his foot in his mouth, it'll make Sanders supporters LESS likely to bother to vote for Her Thighness in the actual election. That is always a good thing.

Well, you're right.  There is a chance this could work out for Trump if 1) it gives Bernie a boost against Hillary; 2) Trump doesn't put his foot in his mouth, and; 3) Trump doesn't end up scaring the hell out of Bernie supporters to the point where they are a lot more willing to support Hillary.

I think the odds of all three happening are tiny, but if you assume that he's going to lose to Hillary otherwise, it might be worth a shot.

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Re: Trump: I'll Debate Bernie for Charity
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2016, 04:09:05 pm »
Previously posted on wrong thread. 

I think? I finally found an example of what makes me uncomfortable about Trump.  Last night on Jimmy Kimmel, Kimmel asked Trump if he would debate Sanders.  Trump's reply (probably shredding in the paraphrasing) was that sure he would do it "IF THEY PAY ME.  Then I'll donate the money to charity."  He made several comments on different topics like that.  If they pay me or if they give the money to charity.  He also said that he's only going to pay himself $1 a year as President.

While this may sound all nicey in general to most people, it begs the question of will we, as the people, have to pay him or a charity to get him to speak or act?  I don't know, it just doesn't sit well with me.  If he really wanted to be charitable, how about not taking the money in the first place? 

His comments on money which are made on just about every topic just make me very uneasy.

(the Workers Party comment prompted a connection in my mind with his charitable giving with other peoples' money)

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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2016, 04:14:11 pm »
The ratings would be huge, but it would be a terrible move by Trump.  Absolutely nothing to gain, and if he think it would just be he and Bernie uniting in opposition to Hillary...he ought to think again.
I imagine his goal would be to speak directly to the Bernie supporters and woo them over to the GOP. It would also showcase the difference between Free Market and Communism. If anybody can teach the ignorant Bernie bots why socialism is bad for them its Trump.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2016, 04:15:24 pm »
My reaction to that is also a bit negative, but for a different reason.  To me, it demonstrates that he still thinks of himself primarily as an individual actor rather than as a leader.  Leaders talk about other people engaging in charitable or other good acts.  They try to inspire others to act correctly, to organize and lead groups of their own, etc..  Trump's sights just seem set so much lower, focusing just on what he does personally, and blowing his own horn about it to boot.   It's kind of the charitable version of everything always being about him.

It's not that it's a big deal -- it's just that it is just kind of oddly small.

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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2016, 04:21:13 pm »
Last night on Jimmy Kimmel, Kimmel asked Trump if he would debate Sanders.  Trump's reply (probably shredding in the paraphrasing) was that sure he would do it "IF THEY PAY ME.  Then I'll donate the money to charity."  He made several comments on different topics like that.  If they pay me or if they give the money to charity.  He also said that he's only going to pay himself $1 a year as President.

This coming from the person who has yet to donate the first dollar to his own campaign.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2016, 04:23:54 pm »
I imagine his goal would be to speak directly to the Bernie supporters and woo them over to the GOP.

I get that, but I think it would be extraordinarily tough to do because Bernie would be right there to tell all his supporters exactly why they shouldn't support Trump.  It's pretty much the highest profile event Bernie could ever get in which to make the case how bad Trump is.  And Trump would be forced to counter that by making himself appear closer to Bernie, which then leads to....

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It would also showcase the difference between Free Market and Communism. If anybody can teach the ignorant Bernie bots why socialism is bad for them its Trump.

And that's the problem.  I think you'd have to be an incredibly persuasive and adept speaker to navigate the minefield of wooing Bernie's supporters while at the same time convincing them how completely f'd up their worldview is.  That's an awful lot to put on any speaker in a debate (because really, how often do the minds of partisans get changed by debates?).  I mean, maybe Reagan could do it, or maybe someone like Rubio.  I'm not slamming Trump by saying he's not up to it because I don't think 95% of speakers could do it either.

Just think about it -- Bernie is going to get them all jazzed up about civil rights, and free health care, and college, and women's issues, and racism, and immigration, and the opportunity to make a complete, convincing case for capitalism is going to be small.   I think the most likely result is that Bernie supporters will come out of there absolutely committed to voting against Trump, because that's the drum Bernie's going to be banging the entire debate.  Remember, he believes he's a better candidate than Hillary in part because he does better against Trump.  So he's going to be on the absolute warpath and drawing every distinction possible.  And for some of it -- like comments about women, etc.., Trump can't counter Bernie as easily as he can counter Hillary because Bernie isn't the moral scumbag she is.
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Apparently, if Trump is president, everything will be for sale to the highest bidder.  Exactly like a Clinton.  I wonder, will he charge more, or less, for the Lincoln bedroom?

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2016, 04:48:53 pm »
I don't know. I'd watch it. Sanders might surprise you. That pure ad-libbing when the bird landed on his podium - no one could have rehearsed that.

I always heard never debate (argue) with a crazy person.  What happens when both are crazy.
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I imagine his goal would be to speak directly to the Bernie supporters and woo them over to the GOP. It would also showcase the difference between Free Market and Communism. If anybody can teach the ignorant Bernie bots why socialism is bad for them its Trump.

While you are on this thread, would you like to comment on the status of the purported donations Trump was supposed to give Veterans so he could have his PR stunt, and avoid a GOP debate?
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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2016, 04:53:02 pm »
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"I had no idea it was going to be so nasty," said Trump, who said he'd be happy to engage Sanders in a one-on-one debate — as long as significant money goes to charity.


Isn't that what he said about the money he raised for vets?

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Re: Trump: I'll Debate Bernie for Charity
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2016, 04:56:01 pm »
I'm not slamming Trump by saying he's not up to it because I don't think 95% of speakers could do it either.

I'd say nearer 100% of speakers couldn't do it. Reagan. Churchill (on a good day). Billy Graham, perhaps. Cato.  Cicero. JFK - he talked you into going to the moon when planes were 20 years out of being made of wood and fabric.  I'm struggling to think of any more.  :beer:

So, yeah. Risks there are aplenty. Still, the reward is there. Lets Sander's supporters get fired up - they'll be far less likely to bother to get out and vote for Clinton, since she's a done deal (at the moment). Especially once you factor in the respect aspect - Trump, the Repub nominee (in all but name), debating Sanders and legitimizing him? There is an up side.
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Re: Trump: I'll Debate Bernie for Charity
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2016, 04:56:46 pm »
Providing Trump DOESN'T put his foot in his mouth...

And what are the odds of that?

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Isn't that what he said about the money he raised for vets?

Exactly.  And, like that vets money, he'd want to funnel this through his Foundation.

The designated "charity" would likely never see the money.
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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2016, 04:59:56 pm »
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Trump and Sanders agree to debate before California primary By Thomas Lifson

As much as I dislike Trump, I can honestly say this is a serious mistake.  It's one thing to talk in sound bites and incomplete sentences to a fractured GOP field.  In this case, Trump is playing into the hands of the left, and will look bad in the eyes of INDY's.  UNLESS....   He does a 180 on style.  (Not Likely)
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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2016, 05:03:03 pm »
I think this would turn into something other than what Trump suspects.  Bernie would spend the entire time throttling Trump, especially on social issues, whereas I suspect Trump sees it more as a potential bash-Hillary fest.  And no doubt the moderators would steer it straight into the social issues/Trump comments on which Trump is most vulnerable.

I don't have much confidence in Trump in one-on-one debates, and the fewer of those he has, the better.   He's got a puncher's chance, and that's maybe it.  But it's more likely to be Ali-Wepner, with Trump in the role of the "Bayonne Bleeder."

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2016, 05:04:28 pm »
And what are the odds of that?

Low. But ....

I despise the man, but he is supposed to be good at dealing, especially the close. So, lets see it.
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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2016, 05:15:48 pm »
Trump wouldn't debate Cruz one on one, but he thinks he can beat Sanders in a debate.

This is going to blow up in his face.
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