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ALL CRUZ SUPPORTERS: Dr. Wallnau Speaks to YOU on Trump and Common Grace


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Published on May 23, 2016

My wife and I have had trouble explaining why we have felt so sure that Donald Trump will not only win the Republican nomination, but become the 45th President of the United States.

From a monetary reform perspective, I knew that he was the only candidate on the horizon who could possibly be open enough to even consider such a tried and tested American solution to our economic problems.
Those of you who have watched me for a while know that I’ve always thought that Iceland or Switzerland, or maybe Israel would be the first to conduct a modern-day test of gradually changing over to a debt-free state money system.
But as Trump was considering running for president, I realized that he was the only candidate or potential candidate on the scene who could not only consider returning to state money for the United States, but had the toughness to fix the illegal immigration problem as well.

But the toughest thing was explaining to my friends and family how I, as a Christian father – how I could support someone who spoke as harshly as he did. Where was the Christian kindness and moderation in that?

I’ve gradually come to terms with all Mr. Trumps faults as necessities if he actually is the person who can break this huge evil about to engulf the earth.

Whether you see the danger in the future as a dictatorship of the New World Order communist / socialists, or a theocratic dictatorship of Islam, no one else but Mr. Trump has a chance of breaking this pack of wild evil dogs tearing at the fabric of civilization.

Last night, I had a subscriber email me a 27-minute video done by Dr. Lance Wallnau, a pastor from Keller, Texas that explained the concept of “common grace” and how Mr. Trump is the perfect vehicle for that common grace to flow across this nation. It clicked. It absolutely clicked.

So I’ve cut it about in half and emailed him seeking his permission to use it. Now, I’ve decided to take a chance and put this up, hoping that permission will come through in the next 24 hours.

If it doesn’t, I’ll take this down and suffer whatever consequences Dr. Wallnau asks. I’m pretty sure he’ll be ok with it.
In any case, here’s the original URL where you can see the entire thing: http://bit.ly/SR893-Wallnau


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4CzIESA9Ck
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ALL CRUZ SUPPORTERS: Dr. Wallnau Speaks to YOU on Trump and Common Grace


Dr. Wallnau can speak to me all he likes. His time would best be spent speaking elsewhere. Trump supporters and conservatives have nothing in common.

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Seems more like the Lord of the Rings to me...

He's going to use the "power" of the ring to do "good". Trump isn't a weapon you can control or steer in a righteous direction. You are going to own the results and you better be prepared to live with that.

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Did anyone actually watch the video? I did from beginning to end. You should if you didn't.

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The highlighted stuff was from someone else not the pastor.  Cruz supporters and haters should watch it. There's something in it for everyone. JMHO. Yours may vary.
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The highlighted stuff was from someone else not the pastor.  Cruz supporters and haters should watch it. There's something in it for everyone. JMHO. Yours may vary.

The large quote wasn't from the pastor??? If that's the case then the post is seriously misleading.
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No offense taken. There were historical comparisons in it "that made me go ... hmmm." If you're not open to it, you're just not. No condemnation from me. Your vote; your choice.

If Trump is the nominee, I'll vote for him but not because of this video.
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The large quote wasn't from the pastor??? If that's the case then the post is seriously misleading.

Nope. That was from the man introducing the video to his listeners/subscribers/followers.
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I identify more with Steve Deace's piece that uses actual biblical examples and scriptures to make his point.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/05/dear-christian-leaders-youre-playing-a-very-dangerous-game#sthash.Zt2Dp2Zg.dpuf

Trump does not fit any biblical criteria for a leader that a Christian should support  Rather, Trump fits all the bad biblical examples of tyrants and a people subjugated under such men and temperaments.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2016, 06:19:34 am by INVAR »
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I identify more with Steve Deace's piece that uses actual biblical examples and scriptures to make his point.


YUP

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I identify more with Steve Deace's piece that uses actual biblical examples and scriptures to make his point.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/05/dear-christian-leaders-youre-playing-a-very-dangerous-game#sthash.Zt2Dp2Zg.dpuf

Trump does not fit any biblical criteria for a leader that a Christian should support  Rather, Trump fits all the bad biblical examples of tyrants and a people subjugated under such men and temperaments.

I read Deace's letter and watched Wallau's video. I got something - actually several things - from both. Wallnau uses biblical examples and scripture also.

Ultimately, how God influences your heart - whether through Deace, Wallnau, or someone else - is between you and God. 

I recommend watching the video, but you have to do what God puts on your heart.
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I identify more with Steve Deace's piece that uses actual biblical examples and scriptures to make his point.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/05/dear-christian-leaders-youre-playing-a-very-dangerous-game#sthash.Zt2Dp2Zg.dpuf

Trump does not fit any biblical criteria for a leader that a Christian should support  Rather, Trump fits all the bad biblical examples of tyrants and a people subjugated under such men and temperaments.

As do I. 

The church I attend does much in support of religious liberty, but has otherwise stayed away from politics.  No political ads from the pulpit no opinion pieces in periodicals or in the media.  A couple of weeks ago the pastor made a point.  You cannot put your faith in any man.  He repeated it twice.  The congregation fell silent because everyone knew what he was saying.
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I’ve gradually come to terms with all Mr. Trumps faults as necessities if he actually is the person who can break this huge evil about to engulf the earth.

Whether you see the danger in the future as a dictatorship of the New World Order communist / socialists, or a theocratic dictatorship of Islam, no one else but Mr. Trump has a chance of breaking this pack of wild evil dogs tearing at the fabric of civilization.

"Gee, that Saul fellow is so much bigger and taller than the rest of the Hebrews. We've just GOT to have him as our king! He's the only one who can save us from those Philistines and Amalekites!" —about 1000 B.C.

"Gee, that Trump fellow is so much richer and more famous than the rest of the political field. We've just GOT to have him as our leader! He's the only one who can save us from those Mexicans, Chinese and Iranians!" —2016 A.D.

(For those who don't get the reference... Saul was a maniacal tyrant.)
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Here it comes again! The begging/cajoling/arguing/desperation for #NeverTrump to become #OkayTrump.

We've covered this ground. He's your turd sandwich - you eat it.
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I identify more with Steve Deace's piece that uses actual biblical examples and scriptures to make his point.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/05/dear-christian-leaders-youre-playing-a-very-dangerous-game#sthash.Zt2Dp2Zg.dpuf

Trump does not fit any biblical criteria for a leader that a Christian should support  Rather, Trump fits all the bad biblical examples of tyrants and a people subjugated under such men and temperaments.

Bingo.
How to lose credibility while posting:
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Sorry Lance, I'm just not that into you to listen in the first place; in fact, I had to look up who you even are.

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Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just pick a candidate who conforms to Christian principles, one whom Christians would vote for naturally? Then you wouldn't have to wheedle them into discarding their principles for your candidate 'just this one more time' (which they never do).

I mean, wouldn't that save us all a bunch of time?

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ALL CRUZ SUPPORTERS: Dr. Wallnau Speaks to YOU on Trump and Common Grace


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4CzIESA9Ck


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4CzIESA9Ck

Watched about a third of it.

God doesn't always use the most righteous candidate to work his will.

So I should support the most vile instead.

Not buying it.
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I'll pass.   I don't need a preacher telling me why he thinks I should vote for Trump.  No offense.  He's entitled to his wrong opinions.

But you are just fine with Ted's father, a preacher, telling us that his son was anoinTED to lead the world?
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Let's just say Teds father didn't have to talk me into supporting his son for president.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4CzIESA9Ck


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4CzIESA9Ck

Trumpet desperation Act Part 3876. 

Your candidate accused our's father of killing Kennedy,  created that false Lyin Ted meme, and most worse was complicit in the Pecker/Stone/NI false infidelity scandal.

Bubba, trying mend fences with Cruz supporters like me is a bridge that has been burned to the ground.  How's those roostin' chickens working out?
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God doesn't always use the most righteous candidate to work his will.



Bet you 2 Corinthians that the orange man would disagree with you.  :)
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Trumpet desperation Act Part 3876. 

Your candidate accused our's father of killing Kennedy,  created that false Lyin Ted meme, and most worse was complicit in the Pecker/Stone/NI false infidelity scandal.

Bubba, trying mend fences with Cruz supporters like me is a bridge that has been burned to the ground.  How's those roostin' chickens working out?
And there it is. The Big bully called the Adored one a lair and beat him up. Its not about principles...
Trump is for America First.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of the Status Quo – and wherever Hillary Clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow." D. Trump 7/11/16

Did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?

Isaiah 54:17