STEVE DEACE: Dear Christian Leaders, You’re Playing a Very Dangerous Game

[Springfield Reformer]

Well we have the fact that so far no weapon formed against him has prevailed....

And he is building a wall to protect a nation...

God sometimes permits the temporary success of evil persons to reveal the faithfulness (or lack thereof) of those who claim to His followers. In Moses, a false prophet was not to be followed, even if he prophesied correctly, if the prophet led people away from God.  Nebuchadnezzar was given an open path to defeat Israel, despite being a self-worshipping pagan. Judas was allowed to betray Christ for money, because in God's plan for our redemption, Jesus had to die. 

So you cannot judge by temporary success in worldly matters whether God is for or against someone. Look at the entire body of Old and New Testament literature. A person's relationship with God always comes down to faith, believing what God says is true, and acting accordingly, even when the apparent result is worldly failure. Does God say we are all sinners? Then if we say we are without sin, we make God a liar. Is someone right with God if they are calling him a liar?

As for the wall, consider this:

Psalm 127:1 Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

All the proud boasting of men offers no protection at all from our true enemies, if in our hearts we put out the welcome mat for evil men. We become our own worst enemies, because we deprive ourselves of the blessing of God.  There is no wall high enough to protect us from the enemy God sends us in judgment.

Peace,

SR

[roamer_1]

Well we have the fact that so far no weapon formed against him has prevailed....

Soooo.. He's the Barren Woman of Is 54?

And he is building a wall to protect a nation...

So now he's Nehemiah the Prophet?

IS that what passes for exegesis in your world?
It seems your skills with the Prophecy need a lot of work...

[Chosen Daughter]

It just amazes me how many Christians believe in their heart of hearts that Trump was sent by God. From prominant leaders like Pat Robertson, to people like my sister who uses her FB account to spread what she thinks are prophetic messages from God about Trump she finds on some pretty nutty web pages. Have they lost thier minds, or are we witnessing with our own eyes the warnings of Mathew 24:24 about even the elect being deceived.

I don't know about Robertson.  I am sure you have heard things he has said that make you wonder if he has a screw loose.

http://www.alternet.org/belief/10-craziest-things-pat-robertson-has-said

[Chosen Daughter]

God sometimes permits the temporary success of evil persons to reveal the faithfulness (or lack thereof) of those who claim to His followers. In Moses, a false prophet was not to be followed, even if he prophesied correctly, if the prophet led people away from God.  Nebuchadnezzar was given an open path to defeat Israel, despite being a self-worshipping pagan. Judas was allowed to betray Christ for money, because in God's plan for our redemption, Jesus had to die. 

So you cannot judge by temporary success in worldly matters whether God is for or against someone. Look at the entire body of Old and New Testament literature. A person's relationship with God always comes down to faith, believing what God says is true, and acting accordingly, even when the apparent result is worldly failure. Does God say we are all sinners? Then if we say we are without sin, we make God a liar. Is someone right with God if they are calling him a liar?

As for the wall, consider this:

Psalm 127:1 Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

All the proud boasting of men offers no protection at all from our true enemies, if in our hearts we put out the welcome mat for evil men. We become our own worst enemies, because we deprive ourselves of the blessing of God.  There is no wall high enough to protect us from the enemy God sends us in judgment.

Peace,

SR

 

[elhombrelibre]

Well we have the fact that so far no weapon formed against him has prevailed....

And he is building a wall to protect a nation...

Trump:  "I play to people's fantasies," he writes. "People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular." 

Trump knows how to dupe people.

[Mechanicos]

God sometimes permits the temporary success of evil persons to reveal the faithfulness (or lack thereof) of those who claim to His followers. In Moses, a false prophet was not to be followed, even if he prophesied correctly, if the prophet led people away from God.  Nebuchadnezzar was given an open path to defeat Israel, despite being a self-worshipping pagan. Judas was allowed to betray Christ for money, because in God's plan for our redemption, Jesus had to die. 

So you cannot judge by temporary success in worldly matters whether God is for or against someone. Look at the entire body of Old and New Testament literature. A person's relationship with God always comes down to faith, believing what God says is true, and acting accordingly, even when the apparent result is worldly failure. Does God say we are all sinners? Then if we say we are without sin, we make God a liar. Is someone right with God if they are calling him a liar?

As for the wall, consider this:

Psalm 127:1 Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

All the proud boasting of men offers no protection at all from our true enemies, if in our hearts we put out the welcome mat for evil men. We become our own worst enemies, because we deprive ourselves of the blessing of God.  There is no wall high enough to protect us from the enemy God sends us in judgment.

Peace,

SR

As far as the wall goes. It was to prevent destroying the nation, we are heading to destruction. Its not a house builder situation its a Nation Saving situation with a wall as part of it.

I do not see Trump as Evil. I see there are evil forces using lies against him. To me the behavior of known evil being used against a claimed evil tells  me the claim is probably false.

[sitetest]

Voting for stump means Republicans owe Bill Clinton an apology.

[don-o]

  Have they lost thier minds, or are we witnessing with our own eyes the warnings of Mathew 24:24 about even the elect being deceived.

That thought has come to my mind every time I read of the Christians who are endorsing Trump. Note well, it seems like every endorsement while acknowledging his flaws, overlook the elephant in the room. That being his never asking God for forgiveness while he claims to be a Christian.

ipso facto by allowing that steaming pile to lay there, they are endorsing "another gospel"; one that requires no repentance.

Mind boggling.

[XenaLee]

That thought has come to my mind every time I read of the Christians who are endorsing Trump. Note well, it seems like every endorsement while acknowledging his flaws, overlook the elephant in the room. That being his never asking God for forgiveness while he claims to be a Christian.
ipso facto by allowing that steaming pile to lay there, they are endorsing "another gospel"; one that requires no repentance.

Mind boggling.

What was really stunning was when he claimed that he reads the Bible more than 'anyone'.....and then the Two Corinthians faux paux.   Most Christians I know have his number and see him clearly for what he is. 

In 2008 we had a choice to vote for a solid conservative in Sarah Palin, despite that idiot McCain.  In 2012 we had the choice of voting for an anti-American, race-bating radical or a Mormon RINO.

We will have a choice of voting this year for either pure evil or evil lite.   Not much of a choice and as anyone can (or should be able to) see....our "choices" are getting more and more sucky as time goes by.  We are losing this war, IOW.

[Mechanicos]

Why Donald Trump didn't REALLY mess up when he said 'Two Corinthians' instead of 'Second Corinthians'
http://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2016/1/18/donald-trump-two-corinthians-at-liberty-university

[XenaLee]

Why Donald Trump didn't REALLY mess up when he said 'Two Corinthians' instead of 'Second Corinthians'
http://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2016/1/18/donald-trump-two-corinthians-at-liberty-university

So no, Trump didn't really mess up. Except that he probably did.

In the meantime, The Donald might want to consider remedial Sunday school.

Thanks for the extra perspective that I didn't really need.

Trump would do better to stick with reality tv or maybe even standup comedy.  He's such an 'entertainer'....lol.

[sinkspur]

Here's what Eric Erickson of Red State thinks of evangelical leaders' efforts:

[don-o]

Why Donald Trump didn't REALLY mess up when he said 'Two Corinthians' instead of 'Second Corinthians'
http://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2016/1/18/donald-trump-two-corinthians-at-liberty-university

from link

So no, Trump didn't really mess up. Except that he probably did.

The takeaway from a media reporting standpoint: More context is always helpful. So are fewer assumptions.

In the meantime, The Donald might want to consider remedial Sunday school.

[Mechanicos]

Here's what Eric Erickson of Red State thinks of evangelical leaders' efforts:

what that Presstitute says?

[don-o]

Thanks for the extra perspective that I didn't really need.

 

GMTA

[don-o]

what that Presstitute says?

Here's an avatar you might consider. Truth in packaging and all that...

[XenaLee]

GMTA

Yes, indeed.   

[bootless]

This pretty well sums up where I have been since August, giving DT all benefit of the doubt and waiting vainly for any sign that he might give me a reason..Most recently it was suggested to me that I throw in with him with an eye to impeaching and removing him.

Well now, there's a dangerous plan.

[Silver Pines]

Here's what Eric Erickson of Red State thinks of evangelical leaders' efforts:

The metaphor makes me want to throw up, but it's right on target.  And it's pathetically sad.

[jmyrlefuller]

what that Presstitute says?

Yet you'll believe "sundance" without question. Funny how that works, isn't it?

[Mechanicos]

Yet you'll believe "sundance" without question. Funny how that works, isn't it?

There is no evidence Sundance took 3 million dollars from a PAC to write Trump Opposition hit pieces. There are FEC filings showing Eric did. So logic says one is better and more reliable then the known crooked one. 

[Sanguine]

The metaphor makes me want to throw up, but it's right on target.  And it's pathetically sad.

"Waxing their nethers".  You don't see that very often.

[Silver Pines]

"Waxing their nethers".  You don't see that very often.

LOL, thankfully.