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This is how Fascism comes to America
« on: May 19, 2016, 01:12:20 am »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-how-fascism-comes-to-america/2016/05/17/c4e32c58-1c47-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

This is how fascism comes to America
 
By Robert Kagan May 18 at 7:09 PM


The Republican Party’s attempt to treat Donald Trump as a normal political candidate would be laughable were it not so perilous to the republic. If only he would mouth the party’s “conservative” principles, all would be well.

But of course the entire Trump phenomenon has nothing to do with policy or ideology. It has nothing to do with the Republican Party, either, except in its historic role as incubator of this singular threat to our democracy. Trump has transcended the party that produced him. His growing army of supporters no longer cares about the party. Because it did not immediately and fully embrace Trump, because a dwindling number of its political and intellectual leaders still resist him, the party is regarded with suspicion and even hostility by his followers. Their allegiance is to him and him alone.

And the source of allegiance? We’re supposed to believe that Trump’s support stems from economic stagnation or dislocation. Maybe some of it does. But what Trump offers his followers are not economic remedies — his proposals change daily. What he offers is an attitude, an aura of crude strength and machismo, a boasting disrespect for the niceties of the democratic culture that he claims, and his followers believe, has produced national weakness and incompetence. His incoherent and contradictory utterances have one thing in common: They provoke and play on feelings of resentment and disdain, intermingled with bits of fear, hatred and anger. His public discourse consists of attacking or ridiculing a wide range of “others” — Muslims, Hispanics, women, Chinese, Mexicans, Europeans, Arabs, immigrants, refugees — whom he depicts either as threats or as objects of derision. His program, such as it is, consists chiefly of promises to get tough with foreigners and people of nonwhite complexion. He will deport them, bar them, get them to knuckle under, make them pay up or make them shut up.

That this tough-guy, get-mad-and-get-even approach has gained him an increasingly large and enthusiastic following has probably surprised Trump as much as it has everyone else. Trump himself is simply and quite literally an egomaniac. But the phenomenon he has created and now leads has become something larger than him, and something far more dangerous.

Republican politicians marvel at how he has “tapped into” a hitherto unknown swath of the voting public. But what he has tapped into is what the founders most feared when they established the democratic republic: the popular passions unleashed, the “mobocracy.” Conservatives have been warning for decades about government suffocating liberty. But here is the other threat to liberty that Alexis de Tocqueville and the ancient philosophers warned about: that the people in a democracy, excited, angry and unconstrained, might run roughshod over even the institutions created to preserve their freedoms. As Alexander Hamilton watched the French Revolution unfold, he feared in America what he saw play out in France — that the unleashing of popular passions would lead not to greater democracy but to the arrival of a tyrant, riding to power on the shoulders of the people.

This phenomenon has arisen in other democratic and quasi-democratic countries over the past century, and it has generally been called “fascism.” Fascist movements, too, had no coherent ideology, no clear set of prescriptions for what ailed society. “National socialism” was a bundle of contradictions, united chiefly by what, and who, it opposed; fascism in Italy was anti-liberal, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist, anti-capitalist and anti-clerical. Successful fascism was not about policies but about the strongman, the leader (Il Duce, Der Fuhrer), in whom could be entrusted the fate of the nation. Whatever the problem, he could fix it. Whatever the threat, internal or external, he could vanquish it, and it was unnecessary for him to explain how. Today, there is Putinism, which also has nothing to do with belief or policy but is about the tough man who singlehandedly defends his people against all threats, foreign and domestic.

To understand how such movements take over a democracy, one only has to watch the Republican Party today. These movements play on all the fears, vanities, ambitions and insecurities that make up the human psyche. In democracies, at least for politicians, the only thing that matters is what the voters say they want — vox populi vox dei. A mass political movement is thus a powerful and, to those who would oppose it, frightening weapon. When controlled and directed by a single leader, it can be aimed at whomever the leader chooses. If someone criticizes or opposes the leader, it doesn’t matter how popular or admired that person has been. He might be a famous war hero, but if the leader derides and ridicules his heroism, the followers laugh and jeer. He might be the highest-ranking elected guardian of the party’s most cherished principles. But if he hesitates to support the leader, he faces political death.

In such an environment, every political figure confronts a stark choice: Get right with the leader and his mass following or get run over. The human race in such circumstances breaks down into predictable categories — and democratic politicians are the most predictable. There are those whose ambition leads them to jump on the bandwagon. They praise the leader’s incoherent speeches as the beginning of wisdom, hoping he will reward them with a plum post in the new order. There are those who merely hope to survive. Their consciences won’t let them curry favor so shamelessly, so they mumble their pledges of support, like the victims in Stalin’s show trials, perhaps not realizing that the leader and his followers will get them in the end anyway.

A great number will simply kid themselves, refusing to admit that something very different from the usual politics is afoot. Let the storm pass, they insist, and then we can pick up the pieces, rebuild and get back to normal. Meanwhile, don’t alienate the leader’s mass following. After all, they are voters and will need to brought back into the fold. As for Trump himself, let’s shape him, advise him, steer him in the right direction and, not incidentally, save our political skins.


What these people do not or will not see is that, once in power, Trump will owe them and their party nothing. He will have ridden to power despite the party, catapulted into the White House by a mass following devoted only to him. By then that following will have grown dramatically. Today, less than 5 percent of eligible voters have voted for Trump. But if he wins the election, his legions will comprise a majority of the nation. Imagine the power he would wield then. In addition to all that comes from being the leader of a mass following, he would also have the immense powers of the American presidency at his command: the Justice Department, the FBI, the intelligence services, the military. Who would dare to oppose him then? Certainly not a Republican Party that laid down before him even when he was comparatively weak. And is a man like Trump, with infinitely greater power in his hands, likely to become more humble, more judicious, more generous, less vengeful than he is today, than he has been his whole life? Does vast power un-corrupt?

This is how fascism comes to America, not with jackboots and salutes (although there have been salutes, and a whiff of violence) but with a television huckster, a phony billionaire, a textbook egomaniac “tapping into” popular resentments and insecurities, and with an entire national political party — out of ambition or blind party loyalty, or simply out of fear — falling into line behind him
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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2016, 01:19:04 am »
Kagan is often characterized as a leading neoconservative, but prefers to call himself a "liberal".  :laughingdog: :laughingdog:

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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2016, 01:21:04 am »
Who would dare to oppose him then? Certainly not a Republican Party that laid down before him even when he was comparatively weak. And is a man like Trump, with infinitely greater power in his hands, likely to become more humble, more judicious, more generous, less vengeful than he is today, than he has been his whole life? Does vast power un-corrupt?

Trump is Obama, squared.
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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2016, 01:29:38 am »
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A mass political movement is thus a powerful and, to those who would oppose it, frightening weapon. When controlled and directed by a single leader, it can be aimed at whomever the leader chooses. If someone criticizes or opposes the leader, it doesn’t matter how popular or admired that person has been. He might be a famous war hero, but if the leader derides and ridicules his heroism, the followers laugh and jeer. He might be the highest-ranking elected guardian of the party’s most cherished principles. But if he hesitates to support the leader, he faces political death.

This is an outstanding article that has Trump and his Trumpansies pegged.

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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2016, 01:34:40 am »
To Donald Trump, the Republican Party was merely a vehicle to be hijacked. The Democrats have too much of a machine to do so, so the GOP became the mark.
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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2016, 02:17:47 am »
This is an outstanding article that has Trump and his Trumpansies pegged.

If you are a liberal wrapped too tightly in Reynolds.

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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2016, 02:21:16 am »
Married to Victoria Nuland: Wow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2016, 02:23:43 am »
Married to Victoria Nuland: Wow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

Thanks for the  :silly:

So, no comment on the article?  Just dismiss it out of hand because of who the author's married to?

Kinda dumb, don't you think?
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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2016, 02:42:58 am »
Married to Victoria Nuland: Wow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

Thanks for the  :silly:

Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland, who pushed for the Ukraine coup and helped pick the post-coup leaders.

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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2016, 02:25:41 pm »
So, no comment on the article?  Just dismiss it out of hand because of who the author's married to?

Kinda dumb, don't you think?

It's actually predictable and true to form for Trump and his supporters.

Lacking the ability to counter substance with substance, they fall back on Trump's favorite tactic, the personal attack.
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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2016, 03:18:32 pm »
It's actually predictable and true to form for Trump and his supporters.

Lacking the ability to counter substance with substance, they fall back on Trump's favorite tactic, the personal attack.
All the while, they use totally made-up sources (ahem, sundance) that deserve ridicule, then turn around and accuse us of being the ones doing the attacking.
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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2016, 05:08:10 pm »
Terrific article;  required reading for all Americans and would-be good Germans. 

This is what is at stake, folks,  history is providing us with a warning.   
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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2016, 05:21:00 pm »
Never forget - the GOP created Trump by neglecting a large swath of the population - i.e. the middle class taxpayer - & treating them as a resource rather than representing them. I'm sympathetic with Trump supporters if only for this reason.

However much I agree with the writer's assessment of Trump's character I do not believe he is interested in effecting dramatic change - once ensconced in the White House and enjoying all of the superficial ceremonial trappings of the office he'll cede most control of policy to usual gang of idiots - the bureaucrats & professional politicians.

He is not an ideologue. If he wants the office at all he wants it as a sop to his ego. Thats bad enough but he's no Pol Pot.
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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2016, 05:25:18 pm »
History is providing us with nothing relative to Trump.  The article points out his weaknesses as well as the disgust his supporters have in the failings and perceived failings of Congress over the past few years.  But then the author has his own failing...projecting Trump's support to that of past historical figures.  It's utterly absurd how many intelligent people try to connect dots that simply don't exist.  I doubt Trump will even get elected short of a complete team Hillary implosion.  But if he does, our Constitution, the strength of our three branches of government, the republican form of government we chose in 1787, the honor of our military, the multi-party system we have, all should give those with an appreciation for history some perspective.  But maybe not.   **nononono*
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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2016, 06:12:20 pm »
It's actually predictable and true to form for Trump and his supporters.

Lacking the ability to counter substance with substance, they fall back on Trump's favorite tactic, the personal attack.

Here is substance. My own eyes. I attended a Trump rally, in my highly diverse well known county. A conservative stronghold.

There was no sign of anything like the article alludes to, from the Trump side. Nothing. Nada.

The ONLY problems were with Marxist/LaRaza young people, which meant a need for a strong law enforcement presence.

Nineteen were arrested from the anti-Trump side. Nobody arrested from the Trump side.

Are the nevertrumpers going to conjur some blame for the violence from the left on Trump, like Sen. Cruz did for Chicago?  It backfired on him. Substance.

*Among those I know were present were

1. My sister-in-law. She is an evangelical Christian (originally from Kentucky). Worked in a church school (the well known Chuck Smith Calvary Chapel and school, where they keep the swasitak hidden). Her three adult children include two married to Hispanics. All Trump supporters. One, Sal Martinez said so in my dining room a few weeks ago. He works hard, and his wife recently started her own innovative business.

2. A lady that works with my wife. She is the daughter of a proud legal immigrant from Mexico. Comfortably well off family. (They too also keep their swastikas hidden from view of their neighbors, in their upscale gated community.)

3. I stood in line waiting, with two guys that were in college, and had driven from Los Angeles County and Santa Barbara County to attend. Neither had tattoos of swastikas.

4. A pair of black women with anti-abortion T-shirts. Since The OC is home to a large and diverse community of Asians, many were present that day at the rally.   

5. I sat inside next to an Hispanic couple, from Downey California. I think both were born in Lost Angeles County, like me.

6. Not present, but an older guy that I work with (semi-retired real estate broker) Vietnam era vet like me. He was thrilled to hear about it.

Calling Trump and his supporters Nazis, has not worked, for it is false. Thoughtful people see that it is false. It discredits the claimant. Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results, is one definition of insanity.
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Re: This is how Fascism comes to America
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2016, 09:09:00 pm »
So, no comment on the article?  Just dismiss it out of hand because of who the author's married to?

Kinda dumb, don't you think?

The article is kinda dumb. The author denigrates Trump supporters, most of whom are the conservative, working, tax paying, law abiding, educated middle class. The "mobocracy", fascist , racist  allegations are total demonrat bullsh*t. But why expect anything different from an author who admits he's a liberal.