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Trump's Message on Super PACS Takes General Election Turn
« on: May 21, 2016, 12:03:42 pm »
Trump's Message on Super PACS Takes General Election Turn

 NEW YORK — Donald Trump has devoted much of his campaign to railing against a corrupt system where politicians must answer to their donors — and to promising his supporters that he will break that mold.

But on the issue of outside money and funding in the general election, what Trump says and what his campaign does isn't quite matching up. As more super PACs continue to emerge in support of his general election bid, both campaign and candidate have offered conflicting viewpoints.

The candidate won't definitively rule out super PAC funding, instead suggesting that he doesn't want it for himself, but for the Republican Party.

 "I do love self-funding," he told MSNBC's Morning Joe in May, one day after winning the Indiana primary. "I mean, do I want to sell a couple of buildings and self-fund? I don't know that I want to do that necessarily, but I really won't be asking for money for myself, I'll be asking money for the party."

Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, on the other hand, is still ruling out the big-money groups entirely. "We don't have Super PACs," he told NBC News.

But when pressed about the two specific groups vying for the Trump stamp of approval, Committee for American Sovereignty and Great American PAC, Lewandowski wouldn't comment.

That silence is a change from the campaign's previous efforts to actively shut down super PACs attempting to support the campaign. In the month of April alone the campaign filed three complaints to the FEC disavowing a trio of unofficial super PACs backing Trump.

But even with the Trump campaign staying silent on the latest outside money groups backing the candidate, it's unclear whether either one has the legitimacy to be effective.

Major donors and fundraisers tell NBC News they're unlikely to contribute to the groups, with one operative calling them "a running joke" among the GOP's donor class. And the competition between the two runs the risk of splitting the available donor pool and leaving each group ill-prepared to respond to the expected onslaught of millions in attacks from a handful of well-established Democratic super PACs.

Pushing forward

Despite those challenges, however, both groups are pushing forward with their plans.

Doug Watts, Executive Director of the Committee For American Sovereignty and a former spokesman for Ben Carson's campaign, acknowledged to NBC News that the late start puts them at a disadvantage — but argued the group will still be able to rake in millions.

"In the end, does it mean you won't have raised as much money as if you had started a year earlier? Probably," Watts said.

"This isn't going to be easy — but it isn't going to be that hard," he added, pointing to a "boiling" landscape from donors who have largely been "sitting on their hands" this election.

That, he says, means "pent up demand." And Watts predicts more action from pro-Clinton super PACs, like Priorities USA, will act as "an incentive to get going" for donors who are still on the sidelines.

The group, he said, is on track to raise $20 million before the convention, with "a couple million" already banked and an overall goal of $100 million for the cycle.

And Watts insists competing with Great America PAC for donor dollars isn't a concern: "I don't look at it as a competitive environment," he said.

But the co-chair of that rival group, Great America PAC, does see a problem.

"Multiple organizations confuse donors and build in inefficiencies," Eric Beach, Great America PAC's co-chair, told NBC News.

His group plans to raise and spend more than $100 million by Election Day, putting the group on a clear collision course with Watts'. And in a conference call with donors on Wednesday, Great America PAC co-chair Ed Rollins (joined on the call by former Cruz-backer turned Trump endorser, Rick Perry), said that they "are playing catch up to match those resources" already amassed by pro-Clinton super PACs.

But they already have a clear advantage over CFAS — Great America PAC launched earlier, has already spent seven figures supporting Trump's bid, Beach said, and is planning a gathering for major GOP donors at oil magnate T. Boone Pickens' ranch early next month.

 Common goals

The battle over funding aside, however, the groups have near-identical goals: To help Trump win in a handful of key battleground states to ensure he takes the 270 Electoral College votes needed to nab the White House.

Rollins said in the conference call Great America PAC will target seven or eight battleground states, including Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania. "We win those states," he said.

Watts said CFAS is "holding their fire for now" but will look to set up strategic voter registration and get-out-the-vote programs as they see polling in to-be-determined battleground states develop.

"We haven't done any survey research," Watts said, adding they probably won't until after the convention. Attempting to counter arguments that could be far too late to be effective, Watts points to "the dips and bumps in this campaign."

"People need to get more focused," Watts insists, "and the conventions serve that purpose and 'reset' the general election."

But for all their talk of raising millions, the two groups have little to show for their efforts so far. FEC filings show Great America PAC raised just over half a million in the first four months of the year, but much of that money was small-dollar donations that contributors intended to go to the Trump campaign. They spent about $1.2 million in that same time period and as of the end of March had negative cash on hand.

Committee for American Sovereignty has yet to file a report with the FEC.

And major donors remain skeptical of the groups.

"The Super PACs that have been set up so far for Trump are, have been sort of a running joke because the people involved in them were the people that scammed Ben Carson, or Ed Rollins, who hasn't been involved in a major campaign since the 90s," said one GOP operative involved in the top levels of Mitt Romney's and Jeb Bush's campaign.

Another donor suggested that Trump's talk of self-funding and dismissal of outside money on the stump had hurt the chances of any outside effort.

"Trump says he's worth billions — why would I contribute my money to help him get elected if he's worth enough to do it himself?" the donor said.

It's yet another case in which Trump's words in the primary are coming back to haunt him in the general.

The pivot toward a tacit acceptance of the big-money groups remains in direct contrast with Trump's prior promises to continue to self-fund.

The day after his last rival, John Kasich, dropped out of the race, Trump broke that promise: "I'll be putting up money, but won't be completely self-funding," he told the Wall Street Journal.

A senior campaign source said that clarity will come over the course of the next week on a "number of subjects," including PACs. The source, granted anonymity to speak more freely on the topic, said Trump's silence on super PACs was intentional because he didn't want to further confuse his message.

But the source insisted Trump hadn't strayed from his roots as an anti-big-money political outsider.

"He's the same person today as when he announced," the source said, but added: "He's the nominee."

"There's responsibility that comes with that role. He still would like to self fund everything but he cant fund the party."

Still, the source insisted: "He's not changing his vision or his outsider image."

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-s-message-super-pacs-takes-general-election-turn-n577781

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Re: Trump's Message on Super PACS Takes General Election Turn
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2016, 12:17:07 pm »
The most charitable thing I can comment on this is...Mass confusion.

The suspicious and more perceptive me says the  campaign is flying by the seat of its pants and lacks internal unity.

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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2016, 12:23:13 pm »
But don't worry, it's all part of Donnie's masterful, sophisticated plan, and it just demonstrates what a superb businessman he is.  Will say the true believers.

The rest of us are just too stupid to recognize the inherent divinity of Donald Trump. 

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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2016, 12:33:58 pm »
The most charitable thing I can comment on this is...Mass confusion.

The suspicious and more perceptive me says the  campaign is flying by the seat of its pants and lacks internal unity.
This is part of the "deal" Trump made with the RNC just before Cruz Imploded. Trump offered to use his business and social resources to help fund the down ticket races. Money desperately needed. Its a promise being kept.
Trump is for America First.
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Re: Trump's Message on Super PACS Takes General Election Turn
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2016, 12:38:54 pm »
This is part of the "deal" Trump made with the RNC just before Cruz Imploded. Trump offered to use his business and social resources to help fund the down ticket races. Money desperately needed. Its a promise being kept.

Then let him say so. Out loud. Using declarative sentences.
(Not holding my breath.)
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2016, 12:42:18 pm »
This is part of the "deal" Trump made with the RNC just before Cruz Imploded. Trump offered to use his business and social resources to help fund the down ticket races. Money desperately needed. Its a promise being kept.

:bigsilly:


You were there?  You saw the handshakes?  Has your god even said this?

You are clearly angling to become a high priest in the Cult of Donnie.

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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2016, 12:44:34 pm »
The let him say so. Out loud. Using declarative sentences.
(Not holding my breath.)
Why should he? The assumption is people reading about it will be reasonably informed and have average intelligence.
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2016, 12:49:16 pm »
:bigsilly:


You were there?  You saw the handshakes?  Has your god even said this?

You are clearly angling to become a high priest in the Cult of Donnie.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-campaign-meets-republican-national-committee-n478176
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Did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?

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Re: Trump's Message on Super PACS Takes General Election Turn
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2016, 01:28:13 pm »
The most charitable thing I can comment on this is...Mass confusion.

The suspicious and more perceptive me says the  campaign is flying by the seat of its pants and lacks internal unity.

I don't see it that way at all.  If Trump is to win, he'll have to get every Republican vote and some Democrat votes.  He's working on his party right now.  I see that as all part of the master plan. 

People talk about Trump like he's some dumb buffoon and I find that incredible!  I wish I was that dumb.  I don't want to hear, "but he inheritied it".  He built up what he was given and made it much bigger.  There are plenty of people that inherit wealth that live the high life and do little else with their money.  He works and from what I can see of him on the campaign trail - he works hard.

He has a fresh approach.  I see a lot of people complaining about the gov't, but when we finally have a chance to see a non-gov't person get in office to see a fresh approach - a good number of those people are not willing to try something new, even though we already know what the gov't people are going to do - they have a voting record to tell us how ineffective and disingenuous they are. 
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2016, 02:53:46 pm »
I don't see it that way at all.  If Trump is to win, he'll have to get every Republican vote and some Democrat votes.  He's working on his party right now.  I see that as all part of the master plan. 

 

But, like it or not, Trump planted the idea from the beginning, that he was going to be spending his own money. He complained that he was not getting enough credit and he made the case that he was unique in not accepting ANY money.

This idea that he's doing it just for the down ticket may even be true. But, it was also true (that the down ticket needs $$) before, when Trump was touting his absolute independence.


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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2016, 02:59:12 pm »
But, like it or not, Trump planted the idea from the beginning, that he was going to be spending his own money. He complained that he was not getting enough credit and he made the case that he was unique in not accepting ANY money.

This idea that he's doing it just for the down ticket may even be true. But, it was also true (that the down ticket needs $$) before, when Trump was touting his absolute independence.
Gotta challenge ya Don-o. Trump has only promised to fund his primary campaign, Anybody telling you otherwise is lying. He has said this in most of his rallies and made it clear he was not going to self-fund the general. He has no need to, he owns the train now - GOPe has to pay to ride it or they get destroyed in November.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2016, 03:04:04 pm »
Gotta challenge ya Don-o. Trump has only promised to fund his primary campaign, Anybody telling you otherwise is lying. He has said this in most of his rallies and made it clear he was not going to self-fund the general. He has no need to, he owns the train now - GOPe has to pay to ride it or they get destroyed in November.

I will ask you where he got specific about that. Because I missed it. I can find many quotes he made about self funding in general. If I see when he revised and extended his rally boilerplate, and then stopped making the claim in his rallies, I ill concede you the point.

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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2016, 03:07:30 pm »
I will ask you where he got specific about that. Because I missed it. I can find many quotes he made about self funding in general. If I see when he revised and extended his rally boilerplate, and then stopped making the claim in his rallies, I ill concede you the point.

Here is link to his rally videos, knock yourself out.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuXXbBFpPc0lb4_FdI1NOPTCAYroXOywl

A problem so many have is they hate Trump because they have had bad people giving them bad information for a long time.
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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2016, 03:13:36 pm »
But, like it or not, Trump planted the idea from the beginning, that he was going to be spending his own money. He complained that he was not getting enough credit and he made the case that he was unique in not accepting ANY money.

This idea that he's doing it just for the down ticket may even be true. But, it was also true (that the down ticket needs $$) before, when Trump was touting his absolute independence.

I don't have a problem with him getting other funding now.  He and the other Republican candidates on his coat-tails are going to need it to defeat the Democrats and keep control of congress and the down-tickets. 

I've seen that Hillary is going to spend 2 billion dollars - and I have no doubt of it.  Trump will do what he has to do to combat that - that is how we will win.  Anybody got a better solution?
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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2016, 03:21:56 pm »
I wonder if Trump will be donating to Hillary's campaign........just in case.

After all, that's just good business.  Right?
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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2016, 03:23:04 pm »
Here is link to his rally videos, knock yourself out.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuXXbBFpPc0lb4_FdI1NOPTCAYroXOywl

 

So, I am supposed to do the work for you?  **nononono*

Let's review:

You made the claim that Trump's self funding applied to the primaries only.
I asked you, a Trump supporter, to show when and where he said that.

You decline (or are unable / unwilling) to do so.



A problem so many have is they hate Trump because they have had bad people giving them bad information for a long time.

So, give me some good information, beyond your opinion and projection of what you think he meant.


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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2016, 03:27:27 pm »
I don't have a problem with him getting other funding now.  He and the other Republican candidates on his coat-tails are going to need it to defeat the Democrats and keep control of congress and the down-tickets. 


Nor do I. But that was the case in June 2015. But, Trump was constantly boldly that HE ALONE was the only unbought and unbossed one.

That's dception.

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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2016, 03:34:22 pm »
So, I am supposed to do the work for you?  **nononono*

Let's review:

You made the claim that Trump's self funding applied to the primaries only.
I asked you, a Trump supporter, to show when and where he said that.

You decline (or are unable / unwilling) to do so.

So, give me some good information, beyond your opinion and projection of what you think he meant.
Yes, you have the duty to educate yourself. I provided you the raw data to answer your question. Its not my obligation to fix you with a sound bite.

As you are aware. Most conservatives are not agreeing with your perceptions of Trump. Logically, millions more then the ever shrinking pool of right wing Trump Haters  are not all insane, lo IQ, stupid, or tricked yet support Trump. That to a logical person would cause a fundamental reevaluation of their basic concepts. Especially when they have seen most of their sources of information are compromised and many of the #neverTrump supporters on their side argue far-left positions in other matters without a 2nd thought.... 
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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2016, 03:41:56 pm »
Nor do I. But that was the case in June 2015. But, Trump was constantly boldly that HE ALONE was the only unbought and unbossed one.

That's dception.

That was the truth when he said it.  His primary campaign is over now and we have to think general election now.  Trump could self-fund in the primary because of his competitors.  Now, his competitor is going to be Hillary - with her big donors and Trump knows he cannot self-fund that.  I don't know why it bothers people that he wants to work with the RNC to raise money for the general election Republican candidates - himself included.  I know some people just want him to lose to prove a point or something - but, for the love of America, I hope enough people can put that away to defeat the Democrats. 

I know what it feels like to have to vote for someone I despise, but I did it because I love my country and there was no other choice to survive to fight another day. 

Long game...big picture...
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« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2016, 03:44:51 pm »
That was the truth when he said it.  His primary campaign is over now and we have to think general election now.  Trump could self-fund in the primary because of his competitors.  Now, his competitor is going to be Hillary - with her big donors and Trump knows he cannot self-fund that.  I don't know why it bothers people that he wants to work with the RNC to raise money for the general election Republican candidates - himself included.  I know some people just want him to lose to prove a point or something - but, for the love of America, I hope enough people can put that away to defeat the Democrats. 

I know what it feels like to have to vote for someone I despise, but I did it because I love my country and there was no other choice to survive to fight another day. 

Long game...big picture...

I don't and I never will. It is precisely because I love America that I find this authoritarian ignoramus is so repulsive.

I just think it's funny that some of these bubbas are going to scrape nickles and dimes together to donate to a billionaire.
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« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2016, 04:41:07 pm »
I don't and I never will. It is precisely because I love America that I find this authoritarian ignoramus is so repulsive.

I just think it's funny that some of these bubbas are going to scrape nickles and dimes together to donate to a billionaire.

I sure wouldn't expect you ever to Sink.  When you say "Never", you mean NEVER. 
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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2016, 05:45:57 pm »
Ok Liberals and #neverTumpers Tell me again how a Primary Election is the same campaign as a General Election? Oh wait, only frauds claim they are for lo-info gullible people.

Ok now that that FACT is in your heads prove with the term "general" in it where Trump promised to self fund the General Election?
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2016, 05:59:35 pm »

Let's review:

You made the claim that Trump's self funding applied to the primaries only.
I asked you, a Trump supporter, to show when and where he said that.

You decline (or are unable / unwilling) to do so.

Because Trump never said that his self-funding was ONLY for the primaries.  That is a construct of his devout cultists who have raised spinning the truth into an art form that makes Josh Earnest blush.  Trump repeatedly used the phrase "Self-funding my own campaign" as an implication he would do so through the General election.  That was the perception the Trump acolytes brow-beat everyone about in the early phase of the primary season.  That Trump was the "only one to use his own money" to get elected president.

There was NOTHING to suggest or indicate it was only for the primary.  "My campaign" is a campaign that continues until the General election or the candidate drops out.

The Trump Believers will spin anything and everything Their Savior says that contradicts previous positions, statements and doesn't fit the current narrative that lofts their Chosen to divine status.

Or as Trump already told us "Everything I say is a *suggestion*".
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