NRA Endorses Donald Trump for President

[Right_in_Virginia]

You got that right. Where did the idea come from, for this site to become #NeverTrumpBriefingRoom," anyway?

It's becoming ground zero for opposition sound bites.   

[mountaineer]

So you don't support concealed carry reciprocity? Elimination of gun free zones? Allowing individuals to have firearms on military bases?

The first two items you mention are matters for the states, not the president, for the most part. I do agree on the third,  that law-abiding citizens should be able to have their weapons on military bases. Law-abiding citizens should not be prohibited from possessing their weapons anywhere.

[A-Lert]

Trump can't eliminate state gun free zones, which are 95% of such zones.

The office of POTUS has the ability to influence legislation. You keep stating that Trump can't do, so what are you so concerned about?

[sinkspur]

The office of POTUS has the ability to influence legislation. You keep stating that Trump can't do, so what are you so concerned about?

Nope. States will do what states will do.  Besides, I thought you guys said Trump wouldn't threaten to use EOs like Obama.

You know he will, though, don't you.  You know he will.

[NavyCanDo]

It just boggles my mind that we're even in this stupid position to begin with. How the bleep did this country's political system devolve into this mess?

[A-Lert]

The first two items you mention are matters for the states, not the president, for the most part. I do agree on the third,  that law-abiding citizens should be able to have their weapons on military bases. Law-abiding citizens should not be prohibited from possessing their weapons anywhere.

Are you claiming the office of POTUS and majority party have no influence on  legislation in individual states? We've already made strides with individual gun rights through education by organizations like the NRA, US Concealed Carry Assn. and GOA, in spite of Obama and the anti-gun organizations. Can you imagine the strides we can make with a POTUS who supports the 2nd Amendment.

[Lando Lincoln]

It just boggles my mind that we're even in this stupid position to begin with. How the bleep did this country's political system devolve into this mess?

I feel the same way.

[A-Lert]

Nope. States will do what states will do.  Besides, I thought you guys said Trump wouldn't threaten to use EOs like Obama.

You know he will, though, don't you.  You know he will.

Why wouldn't Trump use EOs to overturn Obama's? I'd be disappointed if he didn't.

[Mesaclone]

We told you we wouldn't support this worthless cretin, but you tried to shove him down our throats anyway.

Didn't work and won't work.

Put up somebody we can all support and we'll unite.

Trump ain't that somebody.

Got a mouse in your pocket?

Look behind you, Sink. There's an ever shrinking collection of old curmudgeons and church-lady types who could all fit in one small room...or at least one small chat room like the one we have here.

Men and women of ethics, and common sense/practicality, in the GOP and conservative ranks across the nation are joining the anti-Hillary pro-Trump train in rapidly growing numbers. They are doing so not because they are bamboozled or selling out, but BECAUSE they are principled and conservative and see that Mr. Trump has genuinely joined the cause.

You are right on one thing, and that is that he was not always on board the conservative movement...as a business leader he was either apolitical or political only as it fit his business needs (a very practical approach for any smart businessman). Like Mr. Reagan, he has crossed over from the Dark side and like many who are "born again" into conservatism, is leading the charge against liberalism with passion and commitment. You may not like it, but that's the situation. You can scream that its an act or con all day long, but that's just no longer a defensible position...its clinging to an old and bogus paradigm.

[Norm Lenhart]

It just boggles my mind that we're even in this stupid position to begin with. How the bleep did this country's political system devolve into this mess?

Raving pragmatists demanding compromise and 'lesser evil' voting every election. They own it.

[sinkspur]

It just boggles my mind that we're even in this stupid position to begin with. How the bleep did this country's political system devolve into this mess?

Lots of people lookin' for a savior.  Look at all the drooling idiots supporting Sanders.

You cannot reason somebody out of something they weren't reasoned into.

[mountaineer]

Are you claiming the office of POTUS and majority party have no influence on  legislation in individual states? We've already made strides with individual gun rights through education by organizations like the NRA, US Concealed Carry Assn. and GOA, in spite of Obama and the anti-gun organizations. Can you imagine the strides we can make with a POTUS who supports the 2nd Amendment.

I did not make such a claim. I didn't even imply it.
 But I believe you overstate the influence of a president on state legislatures.

[Mesaclone]

Trump can't eliminate state gun free zones, which are 95% of such zones.

Abrogation of the 2nd amendment cannot be delegated to the states as it is a right established in the Constitution. So the point is that no state has the right to have a "gun free" zone unless it is based on specific and exigent circumstance. Let Trump put his 3 Supremes on the court and he will, in effect, have eliminated gun free zones. So yes, Mr. Trump is correct when he asserts he can eliminate these obscenities...what you're not understanding is that his primary mechanism for achieving this will be via the list of Supreme Court nominees he just put out.

The bully pulpit of the presidency can also be used to great effect in ridding ourselves of these meddlesome "zones"!

[Mesaclone]

Lots of people lookin' for a savior.  Look at all the drooling idiots supporting Sanders.

You cannot reason somebody out of something they weren't reasoned into.

This is the single most perfect example of irony ever seen on a message board.

[Norm Lenhart]

Look behind you, Sink. There's an ever shrinking collection of old curmudgeons and church-lady types who could all fit in one small room...or at least one small chat room like the one we have here.

And yet in parallel, we are getting more leftist choices every election and the country falls further and further into liberal chaos.

What an interesting coincidence.

[sinkspur]

Got a mouse in your pocket?

Look behind you, Sink. There's an ever shrinking collection of old curmudgeons and church-lady types who could all fit in one small room...or at least one small chat room like the one we have here.

Men and women of ethics, and common sense/practicality, in the GOP and conservative ranks across the nation are joining the anti-Hillary pro-Trump train in rapidly growing numbers. They are doing so not because they are bamboozled or selling out, but BECAUSE they are principled and conservative and see that Mr. Trump has genuinely joined the cause.

You are right on one thing, and that is that he was not always on board the conservative movement...as a business leader he was either apolitical or political only as it fit his business needs (a very practical approach for any smart businessman). Like Mr. Reagan, he has crossed over from the Dark side and like many who are "born again" into conservatism, is leading the charge against liberalism with passion and commitment. You may not like it, but that's the situation. You can scream that its an act or con all day long, but that's just no longer a defensible position...its clinging to an old and bogus paradigm.

I have literally heard NO ONE praise Trump for his policies or his positions.  EVERYBODY encouraging those of us who despise him to vote for him say "well he's not Hillary."  What a pathetic-assed rationale that is to vote for somebody.  You want me to vote for a man I have absolutely no respect for, think he's the most ignorant man to ever approach the presidency, who demeans and humiliates his opponents, who lies at the drop of a hat, and who is simply unfit for the highest office in the land.

Let me be perfectly clear:  If I am the last person standing in opposition to Trump, I will continue to do so.  You want Trump, you support him.

[Mesaclone]

And yet in parallel, we are getting more leftist choices every election and the country falls further and further into liberal chaos.

What an interesting coincidence.

The election of Obama has been the biggest stepping stone on that path...some of you seem to want to add the salt of Hillary Clinton to that gaping wound for another 8 years. Mr Trump is the antithesis of further decay into liberal chaos, particularly in his willingness to put 3-4 new conservative Supremes on the court.  So there are no coincidences, rather, there are fools sitting out elections and voting 3rd party who allow socialists like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to rule the land. I was no fan of Romney or McCain ideologically, but had both been elected the nation would be far better off than it is today...vastly better off.

[EC]

Someone spiked the punch tonight or something? Third thread I've seen that's devolved into a complete bitchfest - and I've only read 4 so far.

Look, the NRA is a lobbying firm for small arms manufacturers. If they want to keep their clout, they have to endorse someone - and it ain't going to be Hillary. At least Trump carries! (Note, I don't give a crap what he SAYS he's going to do - that falls into his credibility gap with me - in this case his actual action is quite sufficient.)

[Mesaclone]

I have literally heard NO ONE praise Trump for his policies or his positions.  EVERYBODY encouraging those of us who despise him to vote for him say "well he's not Hillary."  What a pathetic-assed rationale that is to vote for somebody.  You want me to vote for a man I have absolutely no respect for, think he's the most ignorant man to ever approach the presidency, who demeans and humiliates his opponents, who lies at the drop of a hat, and who is simply unfit for the highest office in the land.

Let me be perfectly clear:  If I am the last person standing in opposition to Trump, I will continue to do so.  You want Trump, you support him.

You are lying in the bolded section above.

I and many others have praised him here repeatedly for his postions on:
1) Immigration
2) National Defense
3) Foreign Policy
4) Economic policy and reduce corporate and middle class taxes
5) Improving trade policy by not making self destructive trade deals.

And the list goes on and on.

As for being the last person in opposition, that won't happen. There is at least one who will embrace you till the last vote is counted. You can stand right there beside Hillary, both of you with your hands in the air yelling "stop". She will never forsake being your ally in your stop Trump quest.

[libertybele]

I have been a NRA member for years along with GOA and NAGR. I have received counter endorsements from the NRA and NAGR; I knew the candidate and found the NRA to be more credible ... but in this instance, I don't know what to think.  I am surprised by this endorsement.  I have always felt that the NRA has made a huge impact on citizens keeping their 2nd amendment rights.  The NRA is the largest pro 2nd amendment organization that I know of.  IMHO, this endorsement may very well ruin the credibility of the NRA and if so, they will lose members left and right ... not a good thing at all.  Could it possibly be the beginning of taking down the NRA??

Below are comments by Conservative Review on Trump and the 2nd Amendment.  I agree with them and really question the NRA's endorsement at this point in time:

"In the past Trump has payed lip service to the Second Amendment. More troubling is that he supported the so-called assault weapons ban and a longer waiting period for gun purchases. However, during the 2015 campaign, Trump has made a major shift on Second Amendment issues. He released a policy paper on the Second Amendment which promises major reforms that gun rights activists have long wanted. Examples include support for national reciprocity for concealed carry permits, the end of weapons and magazine bans, and curtailing of the expansion of a failing background check system. Time will tell if the 180 about face is principled driven or merely political in nature." -

 See more at: https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/donald-trump#article-13

[sinkspur]

Abrogation of the 2nd amendment cannot be delegated to the states as it is a right established in the Constitution. So the point is that no state has the right to have a "gun free" zone unless it is based on specific and exigent circumstance. Let Trump put his 3 Supremes on the court and he will, in effect, have eliminated gun free zones. So yes, Mr. Trump is correct when he asserts he can eliminate these obscenities...what you're not understanding is that his primary mechanism for achieving this will be via the list of Supreme Court nominees he just put out.

The bully pulpit of the presidency can also be used to great effect in ridding ourselves of these meddlesome "zones"!

The Supremes can't intervene  unless "Gun free" zones are the subject of a lawsuit.  I know of no lawsuits ever filed against gun free zones.  And Heller said that states can establish regulations controlling guns. Gun free zones are part of that.

Why do you believe this bluster?  He's a con artist, knows nothing about the 10th amendment, and just throws out boob bait for you bubbas.

As to the "bully pulpit", it's funny to watch you guys who hate Obama's heavy-handed pressure on states suddenly being all for it when it's your boy at the helm.

[Norm Lenhart]

Someone spiked the punch tonight or something? Third thread I've seen that's devolved into a complete bitchfest - and I've only read 4 so far.

Look, the NRA is a lobbying firm for small arms manufacturers. If they want to keep their clout, they have to endorse someone - and it ain't going to be Hillary. At least Trump carries! (Note, I don't give a crap what he SAYS he's going to do - that falls into his credibility gap with me - in this case his actual action is quite sufficient.)

The NRA also backed Harry Reid. They are on record being happy as clams with anti-gunner candidates.

[A-Lert]

I have literally heard NO ONE praise Trump for his policies or his positions.

That's because you don't read or listen. Take off your blinders.

[Mesaclone]

The Supremes can't intervene  unless "Gun free" zones are the subject of a lawsuit.  I know of no lawsuits ever filed against gun free zones.  And Heller said that states can establish regulations controlling guns. Gun free zones are part of that.

Why do you believe this bluster?  He's a con artist, knows nothing about the 10th amendment, and just throws out boob bait for you bubbas.

As to the "bully pulpit", it's funny to watch you guys who hate Obama's heavy-handed pressure on states suddenly being all for it when it's your boy at the helm.

Yes, but we all know that once a clearly conservative court is seated, there WILL be lawsuits and lots of them. It will take time, but new precedents will be established by such a court that return our 2nd amendment policy back to its original intent. THAT is how trump will fix the problem...and the bully pulpit refers to persuasion which is an entirely valid use of the presidential office. In fact, that is a big part of how it was intended to be used.

[A-Lert]

The NRA also backed Harry Reid. They are on record being happy as clams with anti-gunner candidates.

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