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Offline markomalley

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Who Caused Trump?
« on: May 15, 2016, 10:38:51 pm »
Ramesh Ponnuru from National Review opines:

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Recriminations began unusually early for Republicans this year. Usually political parties wait until they have lost general elections before their members start blaming one another for the defeats. Sometimes the finger-pointing begins a few weeks ahead of schedule, as the polls foretell doom. This year, many Republicans saw doom for their party foretold in the polls half a year before the election, thanks to Donald Trump.

Trump’s supporters have responded by doubting the polls’ accuracy, or denying their predictive power, or calling attention to the minority of favorable or close polls — which became more numerous in the immediate aftermath of his clinching the nomination. A few Republicans have, however, already devised a preemptive explanation for why neither Trump nor his supporters in the primary will be responsible if he should lose in November. According to this theory, it will be anti-Trump Republicans who have caused a Trump defeat. They will be to blame for not voting for him, or for validating some of Hillary Clinton’s criticisms of him, or for refusing to give him their wholehearted backing.

This theory may turn out to be right — if Clinton defeats Trump narrowly, and especially if a third-party campaign by anti-Trump conservatives exceeds the margin between them. If, on the other hand, Clinton beats Trump by a mile, as some polls suggest she will, then the theory will not explain the result. It will instead be clear, at least for those with eyes to see, that Trump supporters gave an extremely weak general-election candidate the nomination.

Ponnuru discusses every possibility but the obvious one: Trump has been made possible due to the utter failure of the GOP...primarily those elected in Congress.

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Re: Who Caused Trump?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2016, 10:43:35 pm »
I agree, the responsibility lies with the GOPe/Uniparty. Trump voters were a mix of cross-over dims who will run back to vote for Hitlery in the general and disgruntled pubbies who were so blinded by anger they followed the cult of personality, Trump. And let's not forget Trump's  favorite group, the poorly educated.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2016, 10:57:56 pm »
I agree, the responsibility lies with the GOPe/Uniparty. Trump voters were a mix of cross-over dims who will run back to vote for Hitlery in the general and disgruntled pubbies who were so blinded by anger they followed the cult of personality, Trump. And let's not forget Trump's  favorite group, the poorly educated.

Trumps extreme gaucherie has a certain appeal to his "favorite group".

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Re: Who Caused Trump?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2016, 11:03:11 pm »
Here's a Biblical analogy from I Samuel, Chapter 8:

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1 And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.

 2 Now the name of his firstborn was Joel; and the name of his second, Abiah: they were judges in Beer-sheba.

 3 And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.

 4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,

 5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

 6 ¶But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.

 7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

 8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.

 9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

 10 ¶And Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people that asked of him a king.

 11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.

 12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.

 13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.

 14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.

 15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.

 16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.

 17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.

 18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.

 19 ¶Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;

 20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.

 21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the Lord.

 22 And the Lord said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.

The king Samuel ultimately anointed was, of course, Saul, who turned out to be a complete disaster.
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Re: Who Caused Trump?
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2016, 11:21:54 pm »
I agree, the responsibility lies with the GOPe/Uniparty. Trump voters were a mix of cross-over dims who will run back to vote for Hitlery in the general and disgruntled pubbies who were so blinded by anger they followed the cult of personality, Trump. And let's not forget Trump's  favorite group, the poorly educated.

Yep! No doubt about it!
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Re: Who Caused Trump?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2016, 11:32:14 pm »
The liberals, moderates and whackjobs that voted for him

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Re: Who Caused Trump?
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2016, 12:23:53 am »
Mr. and Mrs. Trump, probably.  :smokin:

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Re: Who Caused Trump?
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2016, 12:49:14 am »
First person I heard praise Trump was Limbaugh, to be honest. Heard how "awesome" he was from him. When I slam LImbaugh, I get pushback from "principled conservatives. I heard Limbaugh say that Trump loves liberty because he had a reality show, and needed liberty to become a billionaire. I heard Trump say that McCain wasn't a war hero because he was captured, went to FR, saw people still defending him, couldn't believe it. Turned on Limbaugh the next day, heard more praise.

So you all know who I blame, but I have been criticized for speaking out against Rush in this forum, and not by pro-Trump forces.

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Re: Who Caused Trump?
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2016, 01:27:13 am »
First person I heard praise Trump was Limbaugh, to be honest. Heard how "awesome" he was from him. When I slam LImbaugh, I get pushback from "principled conservatives. I heard Limbaugh say that Trump loves liberty because he had a reality show, and needed liberty to become a billionaire. I heard Trump say that McCain wasn't a war hero because he was captured, went to FR, saw people still defending him, couldn't believe it. Turned on Limbaugh the next day, heard more praise.

So you all know who I blame, but I have been criticized for speaking out against Rush in this forum, and not by pro-Trump forces.

@Tolkienish -- Rush is an entertainer and a commentator. As such, he is just as entitled to be wrong as he is right.

I would think as conservatives, we would not hold any person in such esteem as to be inerrant.

IMHO/YMMV