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Seems to me I've heard that somewhere else. But what "duration" are we talking about?
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Seems to me I've heard that somewhere else. But what "duration" are we talking about?
I'm thinking the election.

Besides, I don't think Trump is genocidal. He wants to control people, not eradicate them.
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I'm thinking the election.

Besides, I don't think Trump is genocidal. He wants to control people, not eradicate them.

Unfortunately a lot of his supporters do want to eradicate people.

Odd thing about tat former dictator who shall not be named. The more I learn about him the worse those around him look.

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I'm thinking the election.

Besides, I don't think Trump is genocidal. He wants to control people, not eradicate them.

Trump doesn't so much bear a resemblance to the little mustachioed one as the situation surrounding his candidacy bears to the means by which the Nasties came to power. Populism; fanaticism; despair and an opposition (communist) that was so bad that the NSDAP seemed tame by comparison.
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Trump doesn't so much bear a resemblance to the little mustachioed one as the situation surrounding his candidacy bears to the means by which the Nasties came to power. Populism; fanaticism; despair and an opposition (communist) that was so bad that the NSDAP seemed tame by comparison.

And a LOT of looking the other way when it came to the worst possible behavior from his supporters.

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People who ban Hitler references are just like Hitler.
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People who ban Hitler references are just like Hitler.

Actually more like the current government of Germany.

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I'm thinking the election.

Besides, I don't think Trump is genocidal. He wants to control people, not eradicate them.

Did the other guy want to eradicate people when he ran?

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Did the other guy want to eradicate people when he ran?

Yes, he did.  This is crazy - there's no comparison. 

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Yes, he did.  This is crazy - there's no comparison.

So your saying that he ran on exterminating the Jews when he was elected and the German people voted for it? I've not heard that before.

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So your saying that he ran on exterminating the Jews when he was elected and the German people voted for it? I've not heard that before.

Now you're asking a different question.

Your original question was:  "Did the other guy want to eradicate people when he ran?"

And, the answer is "yes, he did".  As is the answer to your second question:

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In 1923, he attempted a coup in Munich to seize power. The failed coup resulted in Hitler's imprisonment, during which time he dictated the first volume of his autobiography and political manifesto Mein Kampf ("My Struggle"). After his release in 1924, Hitler gained popular support by attacking the Treaty of Versailles and promoting Pan-Germanism, anti-Semitism, and anti-communism with charismatic oratory and Nazi propaganda. Hitler frequently denounced international capitalism and communism as being part of a Jewish conspiracy.

By 1933, the Nazi Party was the largest elected party in the German Reichstag, which led to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor on 30 January 1933. Following fresh elections won by his coalition, the Reichstag passed the Enabling Act, which began the process of transforming the Weimar Republic into Nazi Germany, a one-party dictatorship based on the totalitarian and autocratic ideology of National Socialism. Hitler aimed to eliminate Jews from Germany and establish a New Order to counter what he saw as the injustice of the post-World War I international order dominated by Britain and France....

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??? His net worth has been determined to be at around $4.5 BILLION.  I would consider that to be very wealthy ... putting him in a class of billionaires, I consider him one of the richest men in the world. 


Might be his gross worth

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I want to point out that the "Enabling Act" didn't just "begin the process" to dictatorship, it was "the dictatorship law" for all intents and purposes.

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I want to point out that the "Enabling Act" didn't just "begin the process" to dictatorship, it was "the dictatorship law" for all intents and purposes.

Noted.

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People who ban Hitler references are just like Hitler.

Seems to me that it borders on infringing on the first amendment; but it's now a forum rule.  I'm still trying to understand why people are offended by references comparing Trump to Hitler.  For heaven's sake, being educated and informed may just prevent the next Hitler from emerging and taking control.  I would  think that avoiding another Hitler-like regime would be welcome!
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Seems to me that it borders on infringing on the first amendment; but it's now a forum rule.  I'm still trying to understand why people are offended by references comparing Trump to Hitler.  For heaven's sake, being educated and informed may just prevent the next Hitler from emerging and taking control.  I would  think that avoiding another Hitler-like regime would be welcome!

How do you think this relates to the 1st Amendment?

And, being a site where hitlerisms are not casually bandied about is a good thing, IMHO.

And, just going to put this out there - comparing DT to hitler is just wrong.  Just flat wrong.

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Forum Rule:  for the duration, no Hitler references; they're too inflammatory.  All Hitler-related posts have been deleted.

Just down the ol' memory hole, huh?  Well alrighty then.

How about Mussolini references?  Are they right out as well?

Any other fascist dictators or dictator-wannabes that we're not allowed to compare Mr. Trump to? Just checking so that I don't step on any sensitive toes in the future.  Trumpists seem to have such sensitive toes, after all.

Note: any sarcasm detected in this post was purely intentional.
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Just down the ol' memory hole, huh?  Well alrighty then.

How about Mussolini references?  Are they right out as well?

Any other fascist dictators or dictator-wannabes that we're not allowed to compare Mr. Trump to? Just checking so that I don't step on any sensitive toes in the future.  Trumpists seem to have such sensitive toes, after all.

Note: any sarcasm detected in this post was purely intentional.

This ground has been gone over so many times, there's no grass within miles.   :thud:

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There was a demogogue once who blamed his nation's ills on a religious group.

There is a demogogue now who blames his nation's ills on an ethnic group (and a religious group, too).

Both wanted the power of government to remove them from the country, one way... or the other.

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Hmmm.

I can't see any parallels to history at all.

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How do you think this relates to the 1st Amendment?

And, being a site where hitlerisms are not casually bandied about is a good thing, IMHO.

And, just going to put this out there - comparing DT to hitler is just wrong.  Just flat wrong.

Prohibiting people from making a comparison and openly stating that comparison.

I will not repost the links again, but there have been several psychiatrists, historians, etc., who have made the comparisons.  Not just random anti-Trump people trying to ridicule or fault Trump. I think it is very important that people at least consider the similarities between Trump and Hitler.  To ignore the similarities in their personalities and how both amassed their followers is quite foolish; the signs are there.  The similarities are concerning enough that people should sit up and take notice.

Getting back on track ... those who bolstered Trump ARE responsible for what happens going forward. 
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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This ground has been gone over so many times, there's no grass within miles.   :thud:

I'm sure it will all work out. After all, it can't happen here, right?   :seeya:
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I'm sure it will all work out. After all, it can't happen here, right?   :seeya:

Exactly and another terrorist attack can't happen here either.
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How do you think this relates to the 1st Amendment?

And, being a site where hitlerisms are not casually bandied about is a good thing, IMHO.

And, just going to put this out there - comparing DT to hitler is just wrong.  Just flat wrong.
You are, of course, correct. He who shall not be named served in his country's army in the first World War, had a plan for what he wanted to do and shared it well in advance, and, iirc, never married, unless you count wedding Eva Braun at the last minute.

There are other salient differences as well.

However, the mindset of the angry populations which supported the two are a more fertile basis for comparison. I do not think it is the person who becomes dictator so much as the crowd they please, and unfortunately, angry mobs change direction like a cattle stampede. The German people were angry, frustrated, commonly unemployed, and economically injured. The productive class in America is much the same. Both are angry at government and the chattering classes for the problems they face every day. Both have their scapegoats. There are many other parallels I won't go into here, but suffice it to say that those who seek the adulation of an angry crowd will do angry things to keep that adulation. That thirst for 'vengeance' is never slaked once whetted, and only grows. That is what makes things dangerous out there.
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You are, of course, correct. He who shall not be named served in his country's army in the first World War, had a plan for what he wanted to do and shared it well in advance, and, iirc, never married, unless you count wedding Eva Braun at the last minute.

There are other salient differences as well.

However, the mindset of the angry populations which supported the two are a more fertile basis for comparison. I do not think it is the person who becomes dictator so much as the crowd they please, and unfortunately, angry mobs change direction like a cattle stampede. The German people were angry, frustrated, commonly unemployed, and economically injured. The productive class in America is much the same. Both are angry at government and the chattering classes for the problems they face every day. Both have their scapegoats. There are many other parallels I won't go into here, but suffice it to say that those who seek the adulation of an angry crowd will do angry things to keep that adulation. That thirst for 'vengeance' is never slaked once whetted, and only grows. That is what makes things dangerous out there.


Trump has managed to tap into the anger and frustration of the electorate; there is absolutely no denying that.  Obviously what is in dispute is why?  To make America great, to make himself wealthier, the need for power, to hand Hillary the White House??  We do know that he has verbally stated his thirst for 'vengeance' and he has made obvious uncalled for attacks on several individuals and groups of people in order to accomplish his objective.  He continues to mirror the personality traits of Hitler; a narcissistic, psychopathic demagogue. All things considered he has the potential to be equally as dangerous as Hitler.  Why give him the keys to the kingdom?
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.