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Hyperloop One shows off super-speed propulsion technology
« on: May 12, 2016, 08:11:18 pm »
Hyperloop One shows off super-speed propulsion technology
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hyperloop-1-shows-off-super-224355611.html

NORTH LAS VEGAS, Nev. (AP) — A low-profile block of aluminum zipped across a short stretch of what looked like railroad tracks Wednesday before crashing into a tuft of sand and sending a small cloud into the clear skies of the desert north of Las Vegas.

The seconds-long demonstration by startup Hyperloop One marked the first public glimpse of a propulsion system that its creators hope will rocket people and cargo through tubes at the speed of sound in five years.

It took place as hundreds of journalists and investors watched from grandstands about 50 yards away after being bused to the site from a swanky casino.

“It’s going to eliminate the barriers we face every day of time and distance. It’s going to change our lives,” CEO Rob Lloyd said a day earlier. “It’s real. It’s happening now.”

Executives with the Los Angeles-based company said the system could whisk people the 350 miles from Los Angeles to San Francisco in 30 minutes.

They described a future where there’s no such thing as a long-distance relationship, and it doesn’t matter where you live because the commute to work would be so quick.

They say the tubes could run underground — a safe alternative to highway crossings and inclement weather.

The propulsion technology involves levitating pods that use electricity and magnets to move through a low-friction environment at more than 700 mph.

The idea was first articulated in a paper by Tesla co-founder Elon Musk in 2013. Musk was busy building his electric car and rooftop solar companies at the time, and offered the idea to whoever wanted to try it out.

The idea has skeptics, including professor James Moore II, director of the University of Southern California’s Transportation Engineering Program.

He credited Musk for the new idea on how to move objects through tubes but said backers would face myriad public policy issues before it’s installed on a large scale, including questions about safety, financing and land ownership.

Such roadblocks are keeping self-driving vehicles off the road decades after the idea was born, he said.

“I would certainly not say nothing will come of hyperloop technology,” Moore said. “But I doubt this specific piece of technology will have a dramatic effect on how we move people and goods in the near term.”

Hyperloop One hopes to start moving cargo by 2019 and people by 2021. It announced Tuesday that it had completed another $80 million round of financing and was partnering with firms including GE and SNCF, the French national railway company.

Hyperloop One secured land in December in North Las Vegas to test the technology in a desert industrial park and will receive $9 million in state tax breaks for its investments in the state.

Company officials hope to combine the separate components later this year for a test it’s calling its “Kitty Hawk moment” — a reference to the Wright Brothers’ inaugural airplane flight.


This isn't exactly a new idea, as I understand it. This article doesn't explain what caused the "breakthrough" that made this possible. Sounds too much like the doohickey at the bank drive through. I'm waiting the transporter from Star Trek. The cost of putting this thing underground between any major cities would be prohibitively expensive too.
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Re: Hyperloop One shows off super-speed propulsion technology
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2016, 09:16:12 pm »
The cost of putting this thing underground between any major cities would be prohibitively expensive too.

"Prohibitively" expensive is maybe an overstatement-- it would be comparable to a large-diameter underground pipeline.  Figure maybe $1-2 billion for a 50-mile stretch.  (By comparison, the Southern Delivery System includes a pipeline that delivers water from Pueblo to Colorado Springs, and cost ~$720 million.  http://www.sdswater.org/ProjectOverview/CostsRates.aspx).

So it would cost a hell of a lot, sure......

The real question is whether such a system would provide enough advantage over the existing infrastructure that supports cars, planes, and trains.

Maintenance (especially alignment) would be a serious problem, especially in California where Earthquakes would continually be messing with the line....

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Re: Hyperloop One shows off super-speed propulsion technology
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2016, 09:52:03 pm »
"Prohibitively" expensive is maybe an overstatement-- it would be comparable to a large-diameter underground pipeline.  Figure maybe $1-2 billion for a 50-mile stretch.  (By comparison, the Southern Delivery System includes a pipeline that delivers water from Pueblo to Colorado Springs, and cost ~$720 million.  http://www.sdswater.org/ProjectOverview/CostsRates.aspx).

So it would cost a hell of a lot, sure......

The real question is whether such a system would provide enough advantage over the existing infrastructure that supports cars, planes, and trains.

Maintenance (especially alignment) would be a serious problem, especially in California where Earthquakes would continually be messing with the line....

If you have to wait for 2 hours to get through security, like at an airport, you lose a large part of that time advantage. Unlike airplanes the weather would be less of an issue.
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2016, 10:45:55 pm »
As long as taxpayers don't have to pay for it.

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2016, 11:51:57 pm »
As long as taxpayers don't have to pay for it.
I agree, but gubmint money is the only way it will happen. Research grants and eventually the ever important infrastructure spending.  It has more future than Harry Reid's High Speed Rail to Nowhere.

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Re: Hyperloop One shows off super-speed propulsion technology
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2016, 12:29:31 am »
I agree, but gubmint money is the only way it will happen. Research grants and eventually the ever important infrastructure spending.  It has more future than Harry Reid's High Speed Rail to Nowhere.


I agree.. I like this more the Moonbeam High Speed Choo Choo which will cost more than the Hyperloop.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2016, 12:55:49 am »
I agree, but gubmint money is the only way it will happen. Research grants and eventually the ever important infrastructure spending.  It has more future than Harry Reid's High Speed Rail to Nowhere.

Sorta like the Interstate Highway system or the original railroads (gov't land grants)..... But honestly, I don't see it as a money-maker in and of itself.  It's the Amtrak problem all over again.  The reduction in time might be nice, but most trips or cargo don't need it and it would be cheaper to use existing infrastructure. 

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2016, 01:54:09 am »
Sorta like the Interstate Highway system or the original railroads (gov't land grants)..... But honestly, I don't see it as a money-maker in and of itself.  It's the Amtrak problem all over again.  The reduction in time might be nice, but most trips or cargo don't need it and it would be cheaper to use existing infrastructure.

Great Northern Railway (you know the OTHER transcontinental line) did it without the federal aid. It was also more efficient than the subsidized ones.

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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2016, 01:55:55 am »

I agree.. I like this more the Moonbeam High Speed Choo Choo which will cost more than the Hyperloop.

Still should be done without federal dollars

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Re: Hyperloop One shows off super-speed propulsion technology
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2016, 01:57:34 am »
Sorta like the Interstate Highway system or the original railroads (gov't land grants)..... But honestly, I don't see it as a money-maker in and of itself.  It's the Amtrak problem all over again.  The reduction in time might be nice, but most trips or cargo don't need it and it would be cheaper to use existing infrastructure.


Driver-less cars is coming as well..
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