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Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« on: May 11, 2016, 12:17:22 pm »
Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump

by Christopher C. Hull10 May 20160
Ted Cruz supporters, and I am one, have a decision to make.

My story on this decision starts on May 20, 2014, the night I had the great good fortune to attend a small dinner with Sen. Ted Cruz, to talk strategy and policy. Personally, I was skeptical of him and his chances in a potential presidential bid, which fluttered over the entire conversation like a smart, subtle butterfly.

His replies to my questions floored me. Why on Earth would he run for president when he’d been in the Senate less than two years? Because, he said, he was looking for someone else who was fighting the conservative fight on more than one or two of the major issues of the day – ObamaCare, Amnesty, a rational foreign policy based on peace through strength – and just literally wasn’t seeing anyone else doing it. Other than my boss at the time, Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, I had to flatly admit that was true.

How could he possibly hope to win, I asked? Everyone had counted him out of the Senate bid as well, he said, and he defeated the Establishment favorite and went on to victory in the fall in a bad GOP year.

Republican moderates said every four years, “We need to nominate someone who can win” – and then when the party nominates their choice, they lose, over and over, Ford, Dole, McCain, Romney, because they don’t excite the base or draw in skeptical Independents and Democrats with a compelling vision. It was exactly what I had been arguing for years in academics and beyond.

I came out of that dinner a believer. I’ve been one ever since, even when my belief was tested, as inevitably it was.

Today, all of us who believe Sen. Cruz would make a great president – and conservatives generally – need to decide whether or not we support Donald Trump, now that he is the almost-certain Republican nominee. Some staunch conservatives have decided they can’t – to the point that they may help orchestrate a third-party challenge on Trump’s right.

While I respect that view, I don’t share it. Here are five reasons for a Cruz supporter, and a constitutional conservative more generally, to back Trump, for whatever they’re worth:

1) You had me at “Hillary.”

A third party bid all but assures that Hillary Clinton, Richard Nixon with breasts, will become president. As of today, Trump has the best shot at beating Hillary – and it is absolutely possible, stop saying it’s not.

Republicans who believe Donald Trump is really as bad as Hillary Clinton simultaneously argue that he is lying about what he would do on immigration, abortion, and gun control, but not lying about what he would do on trade and taxes. (If you are more sympathetic to his trade-skeptic and tax-cutting ways, by the way, this double-edged argument actually cuts the wrong way in both directions.) Likewise they assert that in our post-Constitutional era, Hillary would be gridlocked by Congress, while Trump would not be. Would she not have a pen and a phone, like Obama?

2) If Trump wins, the Establishment loses.

OK, so you still think The Donald is as bad or worse than Hillary. Consider this: If Donald Trump loses this election, the Republican Establishment wins it. Trump’s voters will give up voting for the rest of their rapidly shortening lives, which some say they deserve (that’s a winning message for the general election by the way).

Moderates and the media will crow that they told us so: We need to go back to nominating moderates who lose the old-fashioned way. And many conservative voters will grudgingly conclude they’re right. Consider the alternative: If Trump wins this election, the GOP Establishment is finished.

He will have proven once and for all that given the chance, voters reject the pro-amnesty, free-trade-at-all-costs, sweep-social-issues-under-the-carpet, Leftist-narrative-accepting, Washington-Post-only-reading, corrupt pay-for-play politics of the party’s Washington wing.

3) A Trump Presidency would be the Best Antidote for Political Correctness.

Remember, PC did not originate on American college campuses in the 1980s. Plato wrote in his Republic of the need, in the words of one (supportive) scholar, to “suppress free speech and to spread lies in the interest of the state.”

Karl Marx wrote with approval about suppression of speech during the short-lived radical socialist Paris Commune in 1871. When Marxist revolution did not sweep the world after Moscow fell in 1917, socialist theorists trying to figure out why came together in the (in)famous Frankfurt School, housed at the Institute for Social Research (ISR).

The explicitly Marxist Frankfurt School produced Theodor Adorno and Walter Benjamin in the 1920s, arguably the forefathers of Deconstructionism premised on the idea that “truth is the death of intention.” The Frankfurt School also spawned Herbert Marcuse, who joined it in 1932, then almost unbelievably worked in the U.S. Office of Strategic Services (OSS) during World War II and headed the Central European Section of the U.S. Office of Intelligence Research after the War.

The father of the New Left, Marcuse wrote Eros and Civilization (1955) arguing for a sexual revolution to throw off the chains of repression, as well as Repressive Tolerance (1965), which argues for “the practice of discriminating tolerance in an inverse direction, as a means of shifting the balance between Right and Left by restraining the liberty of the Right.” What we call PC is better understood as cultural Marxism, perhaps the greatest struggle of our time of communism against freedom, in which communism is currently winning.

Why did Trump’s support tend to increase with each “gaffe?” Americans instinctively yearn for someone, anyone, to challenge, snap, and eventually destroy the Left’s linguistic fetters that grow tighter every year. Who could possibly do that better than Donald Trump?

4) Trump takes the border and the Jihadi threat seriously.

Whatever you think of Donald Trump’s positions, including their various incarnations over the course of the campaign, he has taken perhaps the strongest stance in the originally 17-person GOP field on immigration. That includes standing up against both illegal aliens pouring across the border as well as what sometimes appears to be Obama’s single-minded attempt to import Jihadis.

If he decides to totally abandon those positions, he couldn’t possibly be worse than Hillary Clinton on border security. But if he’s serious about anything, he appears to be most serious about this. Don’t throw away the potential opportunity to save our territorial integrity and our nation’s security based on an impression that Trump is not a politician and therefore doesn’t conform to a politician’s airbrushed policy positions.

Most Establishment Republicans have been lying to you for decades on immigration; will you really not vote for Trump because you think he’s mediocre at achieving their level of mellifluous mendacity, when he appears to at least be serious?

5) Trump gives us at least a chance of preserving the Supreme Court and thereby the Constitution.

The Left’s attempt to crack down on your freedom of speech is hardly limited to college campuses. In Europe, without the Constitution’s protections, you can be arrested for quoting Churchill or writing a poem about a foreign leader.

Already here in America, Democrats are kicking in the doors of political opponents, jailing those who do not believe in gay marriage, and most recently subpoenaing think tanks for climate change apostasy. Donald Trump is now all that stands between you and a Hillary Clinton-appointed justice who would create a Supreme Court majority of “Interpretivists,” the legal school of thought reacting against the Court’s restrictions on the New Deal which teaches that the Constitution means whatever Leftists believe it should.

The Court has become a mini-legislature in which today’s four Democratic appointees vote in lockstep while the five Republicans do not. I had the privilege to attend a meeting with Justice Antonin Scalia just months before his death at which he noted that for 50 years GOP nominees have been an ideological coin-flip, while Democratic nominees have been uniformly leftist. Granted, early signs of what Trump might do have not been promising.

But anything is more promising than the absolute certainty that Hillary would follow in a half-century-long drive to control the court, including striking down the Second Amendment, supporting her unilateral efforts beyond those of President Obama to open the borders and impose climate change regulations, count illegal immigrants when drawing districts, impose restrictions on your political speech, enshrine abortion and gay marriage for another generation, and protect government employee unions’ ability to take money straight out of their members’ paychecks and spend it on candidates you – and sometimes they – loathe.

In short, a Hillary Clinton presidency would mean the end of the Constitution has you understand it. There’s at least a shot that a Trump presidency would protect the Court majority – especially if you support him and end up helping make the choice.

Granted, Trump poses the danger that he doesn’t mean what he says on issues where you agree, or that he does agree with his less savory supporters on issues on which we passionately disagree. But if good conservatives – especially principled Cruz supporters – like you don’t support him, only they will. He loses, the Establishment and Hillary win. He wins, and those supporters will help shape his presidency.

Those who choose to sit this election out or support a third-party candidate will have my respect for their decision. But don’t choose either path without considering the consequences in the context of the struggle for America in which the nation is currently engaged.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/10/five-reasons-ted-cruz-fans-should-support-donald-trump/

This appears to be a reasoned, rational argument from a Cruz supporter to fellow Cruz supporters.  It would be nice if the replies were in the same genre.

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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2016, 12:48:06 pm »
Constitution? The only time Trump mentions the Constitution, it is preceded by the word "Morning".
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2016, 12:59:58 pm »
I am a huge Cruz supporter and will continue to support Cruz in the Senate and if he makes a decision to head in a different direction later on, I will continue to support him.  With that being said, the five reasons given to support Trump lack anything new to convince me.  Giving my humble opinion here:

#1 Yes, a third party bid would hand the White House to Hillary and I have said that from the very beginning.  Early on I also stated that I felt that Trump was in the race as a siphon for the DEMS and to hand Hillary the White House.  Trump is more dangerous than Hillary because of his narcissism, his lack of knowledge of how government functions (or is supposed to function), the Constitution, his liberal past, his bully-like behavior, and his inability to elaborate on the issues. His repetitive 'Trust Me' or 'Believe Me' on just about every issue and every statement he makes is another red flag.  He is not fit to be Commander in Chief period.

#2 If Trump wins, the establishment also wins.  Trump is part of the establishment, he himself commented that he needs to be more establishment and "everything" is negotiable.

#3 I believe Trump to be a hollow drum. Trump who has tapped into a very angry electorate on key issues, including those deemed as being politically correct.  Unfortunately, Trump has no credibility. For one he has flip-flopped on most issues and secondly, he has a very long record of being a liberal. His association with the Clintons and Soros raise another red flag.

#4 Trump has wavered on the border wall and told the mayor of Laredo TX he was softening his position, he told Kelly on Fox News he was softening his position on illegal immigration.  According to the article, it states he 'appears' to be most serious about this.  Appearing to be serious and actually being serious are two different things.  Softening on positions only days after all candidates drop out is not reassuring.  The only thing that it reassures me of is my assessment of Trump being a liar and a fraud.

#5 Perhaps of all the arguments this is the weakest.  We certainly don't know that Trump will appoint conservative justices.  Two of the justices he has named are very questionable.  Secondly, with a Trump presidency, data shows that statistically we will lose the majority in the Senate AND most importantly possibly the House, therefore there would be no way to block his appointments.  The article goes on to say, that at least there is a 'shot' that Trump would protect the Courts and "Granted, early signs of what Trump might do have not been promising."  With that being said, I'd rather retain our Congressional majority and at least have a chance to block or improve upon Hillary's appointments.

The article certainly touches upon some of my concerns.  However, I firmly believe the very reason that we are in the serious predicament this country faces this election is because too many times people haven't done their research on candidates and have only voted for someone based on what they state, rather than on their actions and past record because they have an 'R' by their name. I for a very long time have refused to vote for someone whom I feel will continue us on a path of destruction. My stance hasn't changed now.  Trump has shown me that he has absolutely no credibility, nor has he given me any reason to vote for him.

Not voting for Trump is not a decision that have made instantaneously. I have given this issue much consideration and thought and in fact there was a short period of time when I would have actually voted for Trump.  He has earned his #NeverTrump crowd.

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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2016, 01:01:49 pm »
Coming from the perspective of a Kasich supporter,  the reality I see is that the party I was raised in has been the victim of a hostile takeover.   It's the Trump Party now, not the Republican Party of Reagan, Goldwater and Kemp.   So why should I remain loyal, especially since the folks who now say they're in charge make no effort to reach out to folks like me,  and indeed include among their numbers racists and xenophobes that I'd never allow to date my daughter?   

If the GOP isn't my party anymore, then what is?    As I see it, my priorities this election season are (i) to defeat Trumpism  (and by that I mean not just the man but his reactionary movement), and (ii) try to jump-start what lies ahead.   It's the latter motivation that leads me to consider joining the Libertarians.  I've always been a conservative on economic and fiscal matters, less so on social issues,  so perhaps the Libertarians are the way to go.  We'll see.  At least my conscience is clear.   
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2016, 01:08:21 pm »
Thank you for your reasoned response. I do not agree with some of your conclusions and believe much of it is based on bad Information. Politics is war by other means. And in war, truth is the first casualty. The Establishment, our enemies etc (redundant I know)  all have human nature reasons to flood the public square with disinformation. It is my hope that as time goes on more and more information will come out, emotions will heal and Americans will see how much they have been manipulated by the ruling class and their media surrogates.   
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2016, 01:08:29 pm »
Coming from the perspective of a Kasich supporter,  the reality I see is that the party I was raised in has been the victim of a hostile takeover.   It's the Trump Party now, not the Republican Party of Reagan, Goldwater and Kemp.   So why should I remain loyal, especially since the folks who now say they're in charge make no effort to reach out to folks like me,  and indeed include among their numbers racists and xenophobes that I'd never allow to date my daughter?   

If the GOP isn't my party anymore, then what is?    As I see it, my priorities this election season are (i) to defeat Trumpism  (and by that I mean not just the man but his reactionary movement), and (ii) try to jump-start what lies ahead.   It's the latter motivation that leads me to consider joining the Libertarians.  I've always been a conservative on economic and fiscal matters, less so on social issues,  so perhaps the Libertarians are the way to go.  We'll see.  At least my conscience is clear.   

 :beer:  Though you and I don't see eye to eye on the issue of Kasich, we do agree on that what we are witnessing is a hostile takeover. Though I believe the hostile take over is a DEM/Clinton/Trump effort.  I will continue to support Cruz and individuals that I feel are conservative, but I no longer consider myself a Republican.  I don't have a party right now and yes, I too at least have a clear conscious. As far as defeating Trump; between now and the election, I believe he will do that all on his own.  It's just a matter of time.
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2016, 01:09:39 pm »
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A third party bid all but assures that Hillary Clinton, Richard Nixon with breasts, will become president. As of today, Trump has the best shot at beating Hillary – and it is absolutely possible, stop saying it’s not

No. And jeepers.
I live in deep blue Connecticut. I can support a third party AND not elect Clinton.
Clinton is Nixon with breasts? First, this is stupid to even write. Second, I'd take Nixon over Clinton...one violated election law, the other is a security hazard that has resulted in at least 4 deaths.

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OK, so you still think The Donald is as bad or worse than Hillary.


Idiotic strawman setup. The discussion that follows this statement isn't worth reading.

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3) A Trump Presidency would be the Best Antidote for Political Correctness.

I'll give you this one.

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4) Trump takes the border and the Jihadi threat seriously.

So did Ted Cruz. They are even on this one.

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5) Trump gives us at least a chance of preserving the Supreme Court and thereby the Constitution.

Donald Trump's support for the Kelo decision is one of two MAJOR reasons why I will not vote for Trump.
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2016, 01:16:23 pm »
Thank you for your reasoned response. I do not agree with some of your conclusions and believe much of it is based on bad Information. Politics is war by other means. And in war, truth is the first casualty. The Establishment, our enemies etc (redundant I know)  all have human nature reasons to flood the public square with disinformation. It is my hope that as time goes on more and more information will come out, emotions will heal and Americans will see how much they have been manipulated by the ruling class and their media surrogates.   

Jazz hit the nail on the head.  What we are witnessing is a hostile takeover of the Republican party.  I believe the takeover involves DEMS/Clinton/TRUMP.  As time goes on and more information does come out, I believe that will become more apparent.  I have definitely NOT been swayed by the media, or the ruling class, etc. Trump opening his mouth and it being televised is not media influence but 'Trump Influence'.  It is quite easy to get caught up in the media blitz, but with various resources available at our fingertips it is very easy to do a little research as well.  Secondly, either one stands by the Constitution and conservative principles or you don't.  Trump stands by neither. 
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2016, 01:22:59 pm »
There is no need to badger and insult each other.

Those of us who will vote for Trump are convinced he will be better than Clinton. In my case, it's only because I don't think anyone could be worse than Clinton. But, even for the most die hard Trump supporter, it is only an opinion. None of us can claim to know.

At this point, it's pretty clear, we're getting Trump or Clinton. No, Gary Johnson isn't going to win, nor is Ted Cruz going to win on a write in. Those that vote their conscious and either don't vote, or vote for someone with absolutely no chance are being disingenuous. Trump or Clinton will be your president. I appreciate the dilemma, I just disagree with not taking a side.

This isn't the election of a lifetime, because, in my opinion, while Trump would be better, he isn't that much better. Trump is a punk. And giving a punk that kind of power is a concern. But, giving an evil Marxist that kind of power is a bigger concern.

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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2016, 01:23:10 pm »
Here's another reason not to vote for Trump:

His gangster campaign boss--Manafort (he of the shinola hair)--said this last night:

"It's the ultimate reality show. It's the presidency of the United States."

Guess what you call someone who falls for being suckered?
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2016, 01:27:30 pm »
Jazz hit the nail on the head.  What we are witnessing is a hostile takeover of the Republican party.  I believe the takeover involves DEMS/Clinton/TRUMP.  As time goes on and more information does come out, I believe that will become more apparent.  I have definitely NOT been swayed by the media, or the ruling class, etc. Trump opening his mouth and it being televised is not media influence but 'Trump Influence'.  It is quite easy to get caught up in the media blitz, but with various resources available at our fingertips it is very easy to do a little research as well.  Secondly, either one stands by the Constitution and conservative principles or you don't.  Trump stands by neither.

I disagree. No "takeover" could have been planned without the complete failure of the GOP. It's as if the entire party decided to follow Eric Cantor's playbook. I don't think Trump or the Dems or Clinton, or anyone else could have orchestrated that. Conspiracy theories only keep you from acknowledging the problem. The problem is, for years, a lot of years, this Republican voter has felt that he has absolutely no representation. I'd vote for these people and their promises, then watch as the pee on my head and tell me it's raining. Obviously I'm not the only one that feels this way, and that's where Trump got his foothold. I didn't want Trump as the nominee, he's incredibly flawed. But it does entertain me to watch the establishment squirm.

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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2016, 01:29:45 pm »
There is no need to badger and insult each other.

Those of us who will vote for Trump are convinced he will be better than Clinton. In my case, it's only because I don't think anyone could be worse than Clinton. But, even for the most die hard Trump supporter, it is only an opinion. None of us can claim to know.

At this point, it's pretty clear, we're getting Trump or Clinton. No, Gary Johnson isn't going to win, nor is Ted Cruz going to win on a write in. Those that vote their conscious and either don't vote, or vote for someone with absolutely no chance are being disingenuous. Trump or Clinton will be your president. I appreciate the dilemma, I just disagree with not taking a side.

This isn't the election of a lifetime, because, in my opinion, while Trump would be better, he isn't that much better. Trump is a punk. And giving a punk that kind of power is a concern. But, giving an evil Marxist that kind of power is a bigger concern.

All true but if  enough of us take the Gary Johnson route we can throw the election to the House and hopefully get neither Trump or Clintoon!
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2016, 01:30:25 pm »
I disagree. No "takeover" could have been planned without the complete failure of the GOP. It's as if the entire party decided to follow Eric Cantor's playbook. I don't think Trump or the Dems or Clinton, or anyone else could have orchestrated that. Conspiracy theories only keep you from acknowledging the problem. The problem is, for years, a lot of years, this Republican voter has felt that he has absolutely no representation. I'd vote for these people and their promises, then watch as the pee on my head and tell me it's raining. Obviously I'm not the only one that feels this way, and that's where Trump got his foothold. I didn't want Trump as the nominee, he's incredibly flawed. But it does entertain me to watch the establishment squirm.

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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2016, 01:33:59 pm »
Here's another reason not to vote for Trump:

His gangster campaign boss--Manafort (he of the shinola hair)--said this last night:

"It's the ultimate reality show. It's the presidency of the United States."

Guess what you call someone who falls for being suckered?

Manfort is not the first one to say the truth in politics that Perception is reality.
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2016, 01:35:22 pm »
All true but if  enough of us take the Gary Johnson route we can throw the election to the House and hopefully get neither Trump or Clintoon!

Sorry Bigun, but I'd bet real money against that happening.

Remember "Throw the Rascals Out"? How'd that work out.

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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2016, 01:37:47 pm »
Manfort is not the first one to say the truth in politics that Perception is reality.

You don't give a damn that Trump and his goombahs demean the presidency, that they insult all their opponents, and lie like dogs.

Here's something else.  Trump “wasn’t even familiar with” term “ground game” three months ago, but now has “ always felt” Obama’s “data machine” was “overrated.”  How the hell would he know? 

Trump is beyond embarrassment and so are you.
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2016, 01:40:40 pm »
Here's another reason not to vote for Trump:

His gangster campaign boss--Manafort (he of the shinola hair)--said this last night:

"It's the ultimate reality show. It's the presidency of the United States."

Guess what you call someone who falls for being suckered?

Manafort is the ultimate Establishment insider. I do not agree with the points made in the article. Trump was exceedingly PC when he called Bruce Jenner "Caitlyn." He is very definition of a crony capitalist and loves bailouts. With his ever-changing "negotiation" stances, there is no way to know if he has any core principles. He has talked about nationalizing the banks and loved the bailouts. I see very little difference between him and Hitlery. As to the SC appointments, who knows what the celebrity reality show host will come up with?
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2016, 01:41:34 pm »
How to lose credibility while posting:
1. Trump is never wrong.
2. Default to the most puerile emoticon you can find. This is especially useful when you can't win an argument on merits.
3. Be falsely ingratiating, completely but politely dismissive without talking to the points, and bring up Hillary whenever the conversation is really about conservatism.
4. When all else fails, remember rule #1 and #2. Emoticons are like the poor man's tweet!

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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2016, 01:47:37 pm »
You don't give a damn that Trump and his goombahs demean the presidency, that they insult all their opponents, and lie like dogs.

Here's something else.  Trump “wasn’t even familiar with” term “ground game” three months ago, but now has “ always felt” Obama’s “data machine” was “overrated.”  How the hell would he know? 

Trump is beyond embarrassment and so are you.
Sink, you voted for the Gun-grabbing, open-border, Muslim-loving Democrat in all the label only Kaisch. Simply put you have shown that you do not know what a Conservative is nor what is good for America. Why should anybody listen to your hateful agitprop of the America first guy? 
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2016, 01:53:47 pm »
Sink and Mechanicos--Knock off the insults.

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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2016, 02:02:02 pm »
Coming from the perspective of a Kasich supporter,  the reality I see is that the party I was raised in has been the victim of a hostile takeover.   

Actually, Jazz, this is a shareholder's revolt.

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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2016, 02:05:43 pm »
As an alternative to Trump the Liberal or Hillary the Liberal, why not Darrell Castle of the Constitution Party? He represents more traditional constitutional values, that where at one time valued by the GOP. Since the GOP has abandoned its foundation in favor of a liberal New Yorker, a liberal Massechusite, and a wacko bird from Arizona, it's time for real chance. No chance you say? Only if you insist on voting for establishment endorsed candidates. If 45 to 50 percent of the electorate (from both current parties and independents) banded together, the constitutionalists would have the perfect opportunity. Let the Dems and Repubs fight over their 50%.
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2016, 02:32:14 pm »
Hillary = Obama
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2016, 02:32:43 pm »
No.
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Re: Five Reasons Ted Cruz Fans Should Support Donald Trump
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2016, 02:55:14 pm »
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Coming from the perspective of a Kasich supporter,  the reality I see is that the party I was raised in has been the victim of a hostile takeover.

Actually, Jazz, this is a shareholder's revolt.

Thank you RiV!  This is NOT a hostile takeover!  We had a fair and honest election and Trump will be our nominee fair and square.  This is the way elections are supposed to work - the people vote and whoever gets the most votes wins. 

Knowing the stakes, knowing Hillary Clinton as well as we all do - knowing the people she will put in the Supreme Court...she is a known agent and with great certainty we know what she will do.

After living through eight years of Obama - how can anyone not do anything they can do to prevent eight more years of "I don't recognize my country anymore"?

Trying to promote a third party or some other solution to not having to vote for Trump is not productive to the problem at hand.  Saying, don't blame me - I didn't vote for Trump - is to take yourself out of the process.  The more people that do that - the less people you end up running things.

And isn't that how we got to the place we are now, in the first place?  I don't know the numbers, but I know that a great many more people do NOT vote, than do.  MOST people are letting just a relatively few people make the decision for them who will run their country and what laws and regulations they will be a subject of - ALREADY. 

Now, a vocal contingent wants to take even more people out of the decision-making process.  No doubt things are dire.  No doubt Trump is a loose cannon that will probably piss both sides off.  He'll get it right sometimes and sometimes he won't. 

I can't even take my mind to a place where Hillary is our president.  It is unthinkable to me - as was an Obama presidency at one time. 

Swallowing hard and holding your nose while voting is a long tradition with me - rarely have I even liked who I've voted for.  But, I've always voted in the context of living to fight another day.  Whether you vote for Hillary's opponent or not - you are free to pursue and develop another alternative for Americans who are tired of the status quo.  I encourage people to do that. 

Part of why Trump is where he is is because of that sentiment - of the hard reality of having to think about a President Hillary Rodham Clinton (and if the thought of that didn't make your nether-parts pucker - you probably need to read no further....we live on different planets) - a lot of people have decided to vote for someone outside of the circle. 

A LOT of people. 

Explore your options, let's get a political alternative to the Uni-party we have now - one that is hell-bent on destroying us.  But that's not going to happen before November!

I remember talking about this at least ten years ago....so many people THEN were tired of it!  If we had started seriously organizing and doing the hard work of coming up with a real viable alternative - we would be much further along now.  We talk about this and then it dies away when most people see that it is a monumental task to take back the government we gave away to a small number of power-hungry social engineers who are passionate about keeping the power.

Let's get on with an alternative - but part of our plan has to be to keep Hillary out of the Whitehouse - it is unthinkable!  She will have to lose in a landslide - or they will cheat her to victory like they did with Obama's second term

I'm with you in your fight - believe me - I hate the Republican Party as it exists today.  Even Trump went in and out of parties - none of us have been happy with the party in awhile.  Bulldoze it and take it to the landfill for all I care - Trump just chose the best vehicle for his mission, the GOP.  It was ripe for it and we all know it.  Give the man credit - he has run a brilliant campaign. 

   
 
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