Okay, #NeverTrump, Enough Already

[libertybele]

#NeverTrump 

[RetBobbyMI]

Look, we don't give a rat's arse what Establishment tyrants might be funding or supporting in their efforts to thwart Trump and get Jeb or Hildabeast onto the throne. We understand Trump is not viewed as a legitimate member of their exclusive 'club' and they want to deny him the nomination of their exclusive club.   That does not mean we view Trump as a Conservative and thus receive our support just because he can say a few mean things about those people in leadership we might agree with him about.

The majority of neverTrump Conservatives here and on most fora, loathe and despise the McConnell/Boehner co-Obama conspirators and their Oligarchy and consider Trump to be just another one of them trying to get into their little club..

We're not Rinos, Republicans or liberals.  We're die-hard Constitutional Conservatives whom have learned that voting for a liberal with an 'R' after their name is the same exact thing as voting for a Marxist with a 'D' after theirs.

So you might say our real motto is #only Constitutional Conservatives, and nothing less.

Agree 100%!  How these Trumpelites think that NeverTrump is all liberals is beyond me.  Of course the Liberals are never Trump because he is invading their territory.  Since Trump hoodwinked and hijacked the McConnell/Boehner/RINO GOP, that leaves the constitutional conservatives on the right looking for a new home.  The GOP had moved to far to the left to be accommodating.

[Mesaclone]

Agree 100%!  How these Trumpelites think that NeverTrump is all liberals is beyond me.  Of course the Liberals are never Trump because he is invading their territory.  Since Trump hoodwinked and hijacked the McConnell/Boehner/RINO GOP, that leaves the constitutional conservatives on the right looking for a new home.  The GOP had moved to far to the left to be accommodating.

Not liberals, you're the Bush-Romney acolytes...with a sprinkling of evangelist types. But the vast majority of voters are now on board with Mr. Trump because they understand where he wants to take the country, and that's diametrically the opposite of where Hillary wants to take us.

[jmyrlefuller]

Seeing as how Trump won your denial of the exit poll data has no basis in reality.

Let me give you an example.

Self-proclaimed evangelicals were credited with giving Trump a win in South Carolina. Yet, when pressed on whether they were actually evangelicals, it turned out most of the Trump-voting "evangelicals" didn't even go to church. In other words, they lied to the exit pollsters about their religion.

[Oceander]

#NeverTrump

It's about principle.  Something Trump will never understand.

[Mesaclone]

Let me give you an example.

Self-proclaimed evangelicals were credited with giving Trump a win in South Carolina. Yet, when pressed on whether they were actually evangelicals, it turned out most of the Trump-voting "evangelicals" didn't even go to church. In other words, they lied to the exit pollsters about their religion.

Link to data?

[jmyrlefuller]

Not liberals, you're the Bush-Romney acolytes...with a sprinkling of evangelist types. But the vast majority of voters are now on board with Mr. Trump because they understand where he wants to take the country, and that's diametrically the opposite of where Hillary wants to take us.

Diametrically opposite?

Both want to consolidate power in government and further enable tyranny. Two flavors, same product.

[Mechanicos]

Let me give you an example.

Self-proclaimed evangelicals were credited with giving Trump a win in South Carolina. Yet, when pressed on whether they were actually evangelicals, it turned out most of the Trump-voting "evangelicals" didn't even go to church. In other words, they lied to the exit pollsters about their religion.

I have no reason to believe either you or your source for that.

[RetBobbyMI]

Not liberals, you're the Bush-Romney acolytes...with a sprinkling of evangelist types. But the vast majority of voters are now on board with Mr. Trump because they understand where he wants to take the country, and that's diametrically the opposite of where Hillary wants to take us.

The vast majority of Trump supporters are Millennials according to exit polling during the primary.

[jmyrlefuller]

Link to data?

It was mentioned in this article:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,198043.msg806537.html#msg806537

[jmyrlefuller]

I have no reason to believe either you or your source for that.

Of course you don't, because it speaks ill of Trump's base.

[Mechanicos]

Of course you don't, because it speaks ill of Trump's base.

No because #neverTrump lies. Example. The Virtual wall claim was not said by anybody with Trump. he made it clear it was his own opinion and he did not speak for Trump. But #neverTrump was all up in the air over the Trump "walk-back." So far every one of the #neverTrump hit pieces and talking points has proven to not be what was claimed.  So #neverTrump has lost all respect as credible.

[Mesaclone]

It was mentioned in this article:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,198043.msg806537.html#msg806537

IF that is your source, than you told a flat out lie in your previous post.

You stated: it turned out most of the Trump-voting "evangelicals" didn't even go to church Yet that is not at all what was said in the article you cite.

Nowhere in that article does it say that most of Trump's self declared evangelicals do not attend church regularly. It DID say that 38% of ALL his supporters attend church regularly...it did not break down data within the self-declared evangelicals as you asserted.

Admittedly, that is a very poorly written article your citing...rife with assumption and unsupported suppositions. But it quite clearly does not offer up any data supporting your statements above.

[jmyrlefuller]

If 38% did, then 62% didn't. That's basic math.

[Mechanicos]

If 38% did, then 62% didn't. That's basic math.

Your argument is a logical falsely. It is not an either or equation.  In addition what the hell does going to church have to do with being an evangelical. Most young Christians do not attend the secular churches anymore. look at a Christian concert sometime, most of those Evangelical kids do not go to churches that are embracing gay marriage etc.

[Mesaclone]

If 38% did, then 62% didn't. That's basic math.

38% of ALL his voters, not 38% of his evangelical voters. You said most of his evangelical voters didn't go to church regularly...but the data doesn't say that at all. One could extrapolate, since he had many more voters than just evangelical ones, that a large majority of evangelicals who voted for him DO attend church regularly. Most likely, similar to all other evangelicals who voted for other candidates.

You misread what the article said and then tried to foist it off as indicating most of his evangelical supporters do not regularly attend church. That is a flat out lie, and not very Christian of you.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

But the vast majority of voters are now on board with Mr. Trump because they understand where he wants to take the country, and that's diametrically the opposite of where Hillary wants to take us.

What concerns me substantively about Trump is that the class warfare component of populism runs perilously close to, and risks igniting, the class warfare that inspires socialism.

I'm not sure giving a bump - intended or not - to the emotions underlying Sanders is really that much better than Hillary.

[R4 TrumPence]

38% of ALL his voters, not 38% of his evangelical voters. You said most of his evangelical voters didn't go to church regularly...but the data doesn't say that at all. One could extrapolate, since he had many more voters than just evangelical ones, that a large majority of evangelicals who voted for him DO attend church regularly. Most likely, similar to all other evangelicals who voted for other candidates.

You misread what the article said and then tried to foist it off as indicating most of his evangelical supporters do not regularly attend church. That is a flat out lie, and not very Christian of you.

PSST!!! It was a New York Times article! That paper is a daily Lie in waiting!

[txradioguy]

Not liberals, you're the Bush-Romney acolytes...with a sprinkling of evangelist types. But the vast majority of voters are now on board with Mr. Trump

Vast majority of voters?  so you're saying that what...60-70% of registered voters in the U.S. support Trump?

Or are you just being Trump-esque and tossing out a BS number in order to sound big and make it seem like he's got a bigger following than he does.

because they understand where he wants to take the country, and that's diametrically the opposite of where Hillary wants to take us.

Neither one of them want to take this country where is should go.  That's what you Branch Trumpidians don't understand.

[Mechanicos]

Vast majority of voters?  so you're saying that what...60-70% of registered voters in the U.S. support Trump?

Or are you just being Trump-esque and tossing out a BS number in order to sound big and make it seem like he's got a bigger following than he does.



Neither one of them want to take this country where is should go.  That's what you Branch Trumpidians don't understand.

Eighty-five percent of Republicans are now for Trump while Clinton takes just 8 percent of GOPers. Those numbers are similar to Clinton’s showing among Democrats, where she wins 85 percent to Trump’s 11 percent.

http://elections.gatehousemedia.com/republicans-arent-sure-donald-trump-is-one-of-them-theyre-voting-for-him-anyway/?sitename=regex?rssfeed=true

[jmyrlefuller]

Your argument is a logical falsely. It is not an either or equation.  In addition what the hell does going to church have to do with being an evangelical. Most young Christians do not attend the secular churches anymore. look at a Christian concert sometime, most of those Evangelical kids do not go to churches that are embracing gay marriage etc.

The kids who go to Christian concerts are liberal, air-headed Obama supporters more interested in social justice and feel-good, rock-star Jesus than actually living the gospel. I know that from experience—I've tried dating in that crowd, and for hearts supposedly full of love, they certainly seem to be real snow queens! (The ones that aren't, and there are quite a few, usually are married very young.) Modern Christian music sucks, only good for whipping up the same type of mass hysteria you see at Trump rallies.

Nowhere in that article does it say that most of Trump's self declared evangelicals do not attend church regularly. It DID say that 38% of ALL his supporters attend church regularly...it did not break down data within the self-declared evangelicals as you asserted.

No, the article (which drew from a separate poll, I just chose that one because that was the first search result I was able to pull up from this site's archives) said of the Trump-voting evangelicals that 38% said they attended church regularly. Only 38% of supposed "evangelicals" actually are part of a church. They say they're Christians, but they're not actually practicing.

Believe me, I attend church fairly regularly and Donald Trump is treated as a sick joke there, a symptom of how far gone our country has become.

[Mechanicos]

The kids who go to Christian concerts are liberal, air-headed Obama supporters more interested in social justice and feel-good, rock-star Jesus than actually living the gospel. I know that from experience—I've tried dating in that crowd, and for hearts supposedly full of love, they certainly seem to be real snow queens! (The ones that aren't, and there are quite a few, usually are married very young.) Modern Christian music sucks, only good for whipping up the same type of mass hysteria you see at Trump rallies.
 No, the article (which drew from a separate poll, I just chose that one because that was the first search result I was able to pull up from this site's archives) said of the Trump-voting evangelicals that 38% said they attended church regularly. Only 38% of supposed "evangelicals" actually are part of a church. They say they're Christians, but they're not actually practicing.

Believe me, I attend church fairly regularly and Donald Trump is treated as a sick joke there, a symptom of how far gone our country has become.

As an Operator with an IRC server system I am involved with thousands of young people in the Christian channels on a daily basis. You have no clue what you are talking about with your claims they are liberals and Jesus light. If anything, its pious self righteous hypocrites who have driven them out of the Brick and mortar churches. They meet online, at each others homes, at large gatherings and sometimes borrow others church buildings for activities. Kinda like how Jesus and the Disciples did it. 

The reason church membership is so low is because the Churches have become so secular. The Youth rejects the Hypocrisy.

Your numbers were busted in prior posts.

[RetBobbyMI]

http://elections.gatehousemedia.com/republicans-arent-sure-donald-trump-is-one-of-them-theyre-voting-for-him-anyway/?sitename=regex?rssfeed=true

That article is nothing more than the Washington Compost promoting the same ole 2 party crap and their own twisted garbage poll. Consider the source. Trash!

[jmyrlefuller]

As an Operator with an IRC server system

In other words, you're not in the real world.

[Mechanicos]

In other words, you're not in the real world.

In other words, you have no clue what goes on with the youth.