Ripple Effect: Trumps Pushes 11 States Toward The Democrats

[Fantom]

Daily-effing-kos? And you bitching about source bias?

Yeah right, he uses KOS and Huff pro and is a trump s'porter... enough said about trump.

[Fantom]

And probably everything between them.

Yep, we need another choice..... I like war hero Colonel Allen west... may Coburn. Preferably a Coburn/West ticket. They only need to win a few States to though this election to the House.

[A-Lert]

No but I can think of a couple right off the top of my head that he can take out of the Republican column. Utah and Montana..

I can't believe the people of Utah and Montana especially, would willingly sacrifice their 2nd Amendment rights.

[Mechanicos]

Yeah right, he uses KOS and Huff pro and is a trump s'porter... enough said about trump.

Hey Liberal attack the messenger person. All you had to do was copy paste the title into a search engine and you could have pulled up a list of many more sites saying the same thing. But I do like exposing people who have nothing of substance to rebut what I posted.

Fact is $neverTrump is a fake operation created by Liberal Billionaires and GOP Establishments which you could have found out from many sources and the paid surrogates are also on many sites. Many of which for both are what some call conservative. When you have something substantive to rebut me with please post it, Until then I will likely draw you out like this again to show you have nothing to argue with.

[Fantom]

If we surrender, will you shut up and go away?

Now that there was funny!  Kudos   

[Fantom]

Hey Liberal attack the messenger person. All you had to do was copy paste the title into a search engine and you could have pulled up a list of many more sites saying the same thing. But I do like exposing people who have nothing of substance to rebut what I posted.

Fact is $neverTrump is a fake operation created by Liberal Billionaires and GOP Establishments which you could have found out from many sources and the paid surrogates are also on many sites. Many of which for both are what some call conservative. When you have something substantive to rebut me with please post it, Until then I will likely draw you out like this again to show you have nothing to argue with.

Yada yada..... and yet you choose. 

Yes there are lots of Sorros funded sites. 

[roamer_1]

Yep, we need another choice..... I like war hero Colonel Allen west... may Coburn. Preferably a Coburn/West ticket. They only need to win a few States to though this election to the House.

I'd vote for West... But I thinkk we should organize and get behind one of the minor parties. They are already registered in all states

Constitution, AIP, or Libertarian...

A Conservative against two liberals will win the plurality.

And we should also emphatically align with the TEA party folks - They made huge strides in the midterm, and must continue - the Liberty Caucus in the house is nearly big enough to matter, and house and senate will be the battle lines if a liberal wins the White House.

[jmyrlefuller]

Do you really think that helps matters here.

For the record, I wasn't trying to be totally serious with that statement.

[roamer_1]

I can't believe the people of Utah and Montana especially, would willingly sacrifice their 2nd Amendment rights.

I can't believe you think folks messin' with the 2nd Amendment would even mean a damn thing to the Rockies. You want our guns? Come and get them.

[A-Lert]

I can't believe you think folks messin' with the 2nd Amendment would even mean a damn thing to the Rockies. You want our guns? Come and get them.

Then you have more faith in a Hillary Clinton administration and SCOTUS.

[Fantom]

I'd vote for West... But I thinkk we should organize and get behind one of the minor parties. They are already registered in all states

Constitution, AIP, or Libertarian...

A Conservative against two liberals will win the plurality.

And we should also emphatically align with the TEA party folks - They made huge strides in the midterm, and must continue - the Liberty Caucus in the house is nearly big enough to matter, and house and senate will be the battle lines if a liberal wins the White House.

Well, right now I will vote Gary Johnson.

However, would a organized third party form .. against trump.. ...I could go there. ( Third party as in a a shadow republican party...but only Tea) or a real split and the Tea party emerge.

Other options include dumping trump at the Convention...or at the very least placing a Tea Party VP on his ticket... this is all possible. Trump does not get to name his own VP if the delegates vote another. This lets us(Tea Conservatives) harness Trump for what he might be bringing in.

[Chosen Daughter]

Well, right now I will vote Gary Johnson.

However, would a organized third party form .. against trump.. ...I could go there. ( Third party as in a a shadow republican party...but only Tea) or a real split and the Tea party emerge.

Other options include dumping trump at the Convention...or at the very least placing a Tea Party VP on his ticket... this is all possible. Trump does not get to name his own VP if the delegates vote another. This lets us(Tea Conservatives) harness Trump for what he might be bringing in.

How much distrust would it take in Trump to get Republicans to reach out to Hillary?  If this is correct it is pathetic.  Better not to vote at all is my opinion.  But this is just crazy.  Thank you Trumpsters for putting out a phoney and a fraud who people cannot get behind.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clinton-approached-republicans-fleeing-trump-181353139.html

[jmyrlefuller]

How much distrust would it take in Trump to get Republicans to reach out to Hillary?  If this is correct it is pathetic.  Better not to vote at all is my opinion.  But this is just crazy.  Thank you Trumpsters for putting out a phoney and a fraud who people cannot get behind.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clinton-approached-republicans-fleeing-trump-181353139.html

Exactly what I've been saying. We went down this road eight years ago and look where it got us!

[Chosen Daughter]

Exactly what I've been saying. We went down this road eight years ago and look where it got us!

yep

[roamer_1]

Then you have more faith in a Hillary Clinton administration and SCOTUS.

I have zero faith in either candidate.

[A-Lert]

I have zero faith in either candidate.

One is anti-2nd Amendment, anti-military,  tax and spend, leftist, sexual predator enabler and the other is not. Yet you infer they are the same.

[Fantom]

One is anti-2nd Amendment, anti-military,  tax and spend, leftist, sexual predator enabler and the other is not. Yet you infer they are the same.

Ok...so Scam Wow might not be a sexual predator enabler... opps...see my tagline...trump loves hims some pedophile.

I thought maybe you had a point...guess not.

[MACVSOG68]

I don't know. That Kim-Jong Un is a devious little fellow. In fact, he might be watching us right now...

More to your point, though... I think we have two rather significant challenges.

One is that the GOP lacks a coherent governing philosophy and a coherent governing leader. I like Ted Cruz a whole bunch, but he has his limitations as a candidate, as we've seen.

The bigger and more lasting challenge is the Culture: it is dominated by leftists at every turn - academia, the arts, the government, and Hollywood - they own it.  For what seems like forever, Republicans have acted like that didn't matter. Well... it does.

A little counterrevolution every now and then is a good thing. And it's just about time we had one.

I agree on both points...well also that Kim is likely watching us right now.    But given that the culture is in the people's purview, and in many ways that's changing our political philosophy at the same time, how does a counterrevolution begin and even more, succeed? Letting Hillary take the conn for an eight year term to teach the Country a lesson is a dangerous tactic.  Some, even here, believed that that theory of withholding support from Romney would do the same thing.

[roamer_1]

One is anti-2nd Amendment, anti-military,  tax and spend, leftist, sexual predator enabler and the other is not. Yet you infer they are the same.

If all you got was inference, perhaps I should have been more forceful in my reply.

[Fantom]

I agree on both points...well also that Kim is likely watching us right now.    But given that the culture is in the people's purview, and in many ways that's changing our political philosophy at the same time, how does a counterrevolution begin and even more, succeed? Letting Hillary take the conn for an eight year term to teach the Country a lesson is a dangerous tactic.  Some, even here, believed that that theory of withholding support from Romney would do the same thing.

I doubt the confluence of trump and Hillary would yield an eight year reign. Still probably would be better than four years of trump for Conservatives.

As for Kim watching us... it is probably just porn... Hillary and the seven shortfingers.

[libertybele]

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/08/tech-ceos-meet-secretly-with-gop-leaders-to-stop-trump/

Push polls owned by the left are still push polls. Nothing objective i.e turn out, enthusiasm. number of small donors etc supports such a poll that also pushes the democrat party's talking points. When 70 percent of all Americans agree with Trump on illegals, Muslims, economy and Nationalism this type of agitprop is nothing more than manipulation for the haters.

Odds are the polls will act just like they did for Regan, always losing badly until he won.

oh, apply common sense to this, It says the ones who could not beat Trump on the Republican side can beat Hillary.

Why, oh why, do we keep comparing the Donald to Regan??  Trump is NO Ronald Regan.

[A-Lert]

Ok...so Scam Wow might not be a sexual predator enabler... opps...see my tagline...trump loves hims some pedophile.

I thought maybe you had a point...guess not.

You have speculation and mindless allegations which are pointless. Typical FR 

[the_doc]

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/08/tech-ceos-meet-secretly-with-gop-leaders-to-stop-trump/

Push polls owned by the left are still push polls. Nothing objective i.e turn out, enthusiasm. number of small donors etc supports such a poll that also pushes the democrat party's talking points. When 70 percent of all Americans agree with Trump on illegals, Muslims, economy and Nationalism this type of agitprop is nothing more than manipulation for the haters.

Odds are the polls will act just like they did for Regan, always losing badly until he won.

oh, apply common sense to this, It says the ones who could not beat Trump on the Republican side can beat Hillary.

Let me jar you with some real common sense: 

Approximately 60% of the Republicans who voted in the primaries did not vote for Trump.  Trump has actually gotten a disproportionately high number of delegates and is on track to winning the first ballot without genuine, enthusiastic grassroots support among Republicans.  The only enthusiasm is in Trump himself and among the supporters who have been enthusiastic about his nastiness from the beginning of the race.

Cruz's overall favorability is higher than Trump's and higher than Hillary's.  And of the 60% of those Republican primary voters who did not vote for Trump, an unknowable but still clearly high percentage are in the #NeverTrump camp.  (Moreover, one investigative reporter for the WSJ has claimed that a shockingly high percentage of Trump's delegates now wish they were not pledged to vote for Trump on the first ballot.)

How many of Carson's voters do you think will support Trump with any enthusiasm?  Not many, IMO.  (Carson's supporters were a significant group at one point--and when Carson endorsed Trump, most of them were appalled.)  And how many of Rubio's voters do you think will be enthusiastic for Trump in the general election?  Not many.  (Rubio has actually promised to endorse Cruz over Trump if the election is not decided on the first ballot.)  And how many of Jeb's supporters do you think will support Trump?  (I strongly doubt that many will support Trump at all, much less enthusiastically.)  And Trump does not exactly have a treasure trove of supporters in the Kasich and Christie camps, either.  (Worse still for Trump, these are mostly in the Northeast, where no Republican has good electoral odds, anyway.)

Besides, the comparison to Reagan's come-from-behind victory over Carter overlooks the fact that the #NeverMeansNeverTrump guys and gals are opposed to Trump for reasons that run very, very deep--visceral stuff.  OTOH, although Reagan's conservatism was not initially popular, he was widely regarded as a decent guy--and people listened to him explain his positions calmly.  Trump is not so regarded.  Most of the folks who don't already lean toward Trump will simply turn him off when he pops up on TV.  I respectfully submit that common sense says that Trump will be toast if he is named the nominee.  (Remember:  A huge percentage of Republican voters simply will not ever vote for Trump.  These folks are completely unshakeable in their contempt for Trump--just like practically all of Hillary's supporters are.  Trump pretends that this won't matter.  But it will matter--a lot!)

In short, Cruz or Rubio obviously would have a much better chance of beating Hillary (as the polls have also suggested over and over).  So, when Trump loses to Hillary, please remember that we warned you not to go to the big dance with him.  Blaming us #NeverTrump won't cut any ice.     

[Mechanicos]

and 89 percent rejected Cruz yet the Push polls say he can beat Hillary.

[Fantom]

and 89 percent rejected Cruz yet the Push polls say he can beat Hillary.

I think you are up too late.

However, let this tea party Oklahoman tell you something...... I would rather Hillary be the next Pres... than trump.

Better to lose a chess piece than the whole game.