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Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« on: May 06, 2016, 01:13:22 pm »
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Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?

By BYRON YORK (@BYRONYORK) • 5/6/16 1:18 AM

Speaker Paul Ryan, the Republican Party's highest-ranking official, stunned the political world Thursday when he announced he does not now support his party's presumptive presidential nominee, Donald Trump, and might not ever do so.

"I hope to support our nominee," Ryan told CNN's Jake Tapper. "I'm just not ready to do that at this point. I'm not there right now."

The interview left one basic question unanswered: What does Ryan want? Put another way, what could Trump do to help Ryan get there?

The short answer is that Trump must unify the Republican Party. Ryan used the words "unify" or "unified" a total of 27 times in the interview; it's clearly a hugely important thing to him. But what, precisely, that means is not clear.

Gleaned from a long conversation with someone familiar with Ryan's thinking, this is how Ryan approaches the situation:

Ryan and Trump obviously have huge policy differences: on entitlements, trade, immigration, and much more. They're important; entitlement reform, in particular, is a goal to which Ryan has devoted much of his career in the House. But as important as they are, Ryan doesn't expect Trump to convert to Ryanism.

"I'm not saying he's got to support my policies," Ryan told Tapper. "You always have policy disagreements. Heck, Mitt Romney and I had policy disagreements. So that's just natural, and it's too much to ask someone to change their policy views that they were duly elected on, on some policy dispute."

Ryan suggested he's looking for something bigger from Trump. He referred to the GOP's "principles" 16 times: "I think conservatives want to know, does [Trump] share our values and our principles on limited government, the proper role of the executive, adherence to the Constitution," Ryan said.

I asked the person familiar with Ryan's thinking what that meant. If specific policy differences — entitlements, trade, etc. — are not violations of principle, then what was Ryan talking about?

The person pointed to the times Ryan has felt the need to publicly rebuke Trump in the last several months. There was Trump's temporary Muslim ban proposal; his refusal in one interview to disavow David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan; and Trump's acceptance, or even encouragement, of violence at his campaign rallies. Those were the things that disturbed Ryan enough for him to speak out at the time, and those are the things that trouble Ryan enough to withhold support of Trump now.

"We're talking about identity politics — that's what he was referencing," said the person familiar with Ryan's thinking. "Identity politics is what Paul was getting at. He spoke out against the Muslim ban, against allowing a culture of violence at some of these campaign events, against the Duke comments. He's just saying our party deserves a leader who is committed to unifying, not dividing, our party and our country. We've always said we would disagree on policy."

"It's time to go to from tapping anger to channeling that anger into solutions," Ryan said on CNN. "It's time to set aside bullying, to set aside belittlement and appeal to higher aspirations, appeal to what is good in us and to lead a country and a party to having a vast majority of Americans enthusiastic about choosing a path."

Concern over divisions along cultural or racial lines was also likely behind Ryan's assertion that the GOP is "the party of Lincoln, of Reagan, of Jack Kemp." Yes, Ryan's inclusion of Kemp, a man of far smaller stature than Lincoln and Reagan, had something to do with the fact that Kemp was Ryan's mentor. But Ryan also included Kemp, the famously self-styled "bleeding-heart conservative," to project an image of Republican inclusiveness, an ideal to which GOP leaders, including Trump, should aspire.

So in the end, it appears Ryan's message to Trump was: We don't have to agree on entitlements or trade, but you've got to tone it down on matters of race and culture if you want my support.


"There's not a five-point agenda that [Trump] has to fulfill," said the person familiar with Ryan's thinking. "That's not the way [Ryan] is viewing this. He's just saying our party deserves a leader who is committed to unifying, not dividing, our party and our country."

Ryan was as surprised as anyone else by the speed with which the Republican presidential contest came to an end Tuesday night. Ryan thought the battle between Trump and Ted Cruz would stretch all the way to the California primary on June 7 and perhaps to a contested Republican convention in July. So the speaker didn't have a plan for what to say when the race abruptly stopped. He didn't have a long time to think things through before the CNN interview.

Ryan's stand carries significant risk. With no competition, Trump is going to win more primaries, and pile up more votes, by the time of the convention. If Ryan changes course and supports Trump without some truly meaningful concession from the nominee, Ryan will look weak. If he opposes Trump the whole way, he'll anger a lot of people in his own party.

At the moment, Trump does not appear inclined to accommodate Ryan. Shortly after the CNN interview aired, Trump released a statement saying, "I am not ready to support Speaker Ryan's agenda. Perhaps in the future we can work together and come to an agreement about what is best for the American people. They have been treated so badly for so long that it is about time for politicians to put them first!"

In addition, in some cases, Trump has a majority of Republican voters on his side. For example, exit polls from GOP primaries have shown strong support for temporarily banning Muslims who are not U.S. citizens from entering the U.S. In Pennsylvania, 69 percent of GOP primary voters supported the proposal. In New York, 68 percent supported. In Florida, the number was 64 percent. In Georgia, 68 percent. In Ohio, 65 percent. Michigan, 63 percent. Texas, 67 percent. And in Ryan's home state of Wisconsin, 69 percent supported it.

 
That's about 2/3 support among Republican primary voters across the country for a proposal Ryan called "not what this party stands for, and more importantly...not what this country stands for." If Ryan were to urge Trump to back down from the proposal, Trump's response might be: I won, and this guy is making demands?

It's likely the two men will meet next week.
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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2016, 01:17:47 pm »
Ryan has more of the GOP on his side than Trump does.  Trump won 40% of GOP voters in the primaries, a minority. 

Ryan has to win this face off and let Trump know he doesn't run the GOP.

He should stay #NeverTrump until he does.
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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2016, 01:21:50 pm »
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Concern over divisions along cultural or racial lines was also likely behind Ryan's assertion that the GOP is "the party of Lincoln, of Reagan, of Jack Kemp." Yes, Ryan's inclusion of Kemp, a man of far smaller stature than Lincoln and Reagan, had something to do with the fact that Kemp was Ryan's mentor. But Ryan also included Kemp, the famously self-styled "bleeding-heart conservative," to project an image of Republican inclusiveness, an ideal to which GOP leaders, including Trump, should aspire.

So in the end, it appears Ryan's message to Trump was: We don't have to agree on entitlements or trade, but you've got to tone it down on matters of race and culture if you want my support.


"There's not a five-point agenda that [Trump] has to fulfill," said the person familiar with Ryan's thinking. "That's not the way [Ryan] is viewing this. He's just saying our party deserves a leader who is committed to unifying, not dividing, our party and our country."


I agree. 
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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2016, 01:39:51 pm »
Ryan's Speakership is already on troubled ground.  He has become nothing more than Obama's lap dog.  Trump will mop the floor with his butt worse than Biden did in the Vice Presidential debate.

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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2016, 01:57:50 pm »
In business terms, Ryan is Chairman of the Board.  It will be a beautiful thing seeing Trump work with a 535 member board of directors.

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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2016, 02:04:15 pm »
Ryan's Speakership is already on troubled ground.  He has become nothing more than Obama's lap dog.  Trump will mop the floor with his butt worse than Biden did in the Vice Presidential debate.
Ryan the RINO wants the Special Interests' gravy train/open borders/NAU agenda to continue. Its not rocket Science. Hes irrelevant in the long run. Very likely to be primaried out.
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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2016, 02:10:07 pm »
Ryan's Speakership is already on troubled ground.  He has become nothing more than Obama's lap dog.  Trump will mop the floor with his butt worse than Biden did in the Vice Presidential debate.

Wishful thinking.  Only 11 House members have announced support for Trump.  11 out of 245 Republicans.  Trump will have to come Ryan's way because Ryan's way is the Republican way.
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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2016, 02:11:43 pm »
Ryan the RINO wants the Special Interests' gravy train/open borders/NAU agenda to continue. Its not rocket Science. Hes irrelevant in the long run. Very likely to be primaried out.

RINO?  Your boy was a Democrat until the day before yesterday. 

He won't be primaried out and he controls one-half of one branch of government.  He's Trump's equal.  He's teaching Trump a lesson about the ways of Washington.
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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2016, 02:18:19 pm »
Ryan the RINO wants the Special Interests' gravy train/open borders/NAU agenda to continue. Its not rocket Science. Hes irrelevant in the long run. Very likely to be primaried out.

Ryan is much closer in views to Clinton, and much more comfortable with her brand of crony capitalism. As a career politician, (not a complimentary term), Ryan is doing the math. If Ryan thinks Clinton will win, he will keep more distance between himself and Trump than there is between Pluto and the Sun. If, by some minor miracle, Trump takes the lead, Ryan will become a Trump fan.

In short, Ryan, and those of his ilk, (unprincipled and self serving), are the collective Dr. Trumpenstiens who gave rise to the Trump monster.
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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2016, 02:19:50 pm »
RINO?  Your boy was a Democrat until the day before yesterday. 

He won't be primaried out and he controls one-half of one branch of government.  He's Trump's equal.  He's teaching Trump a lesson about the ways of Washington.

But somehow, this powerful man is unable to do anything but give Obama what he wants.

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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2016, 02:28:31 pm »
Wishful thinking.  Only 11 House members have announced support for Trump.  11 out of 245 Republicans.  Trump will have to come Ryan's way because Ryan's way is the Republican way.

Mine is one of the eleven. Phil Roe TN-1 **nononono*

He's already heard from me.

He's generally pretty solid; but sometimes just screws the pooch.

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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2016, 02:38:55 pm »
On-Topic, I saw Huckabee was criticizing Ryan for not getting on the team, being a team player.

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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2016, 02:46:54 pm »
Ryan the RINO wants the Special Interests' gravy train/open borders/NAU agenda to continue. Its not rocket Science. Hes irrelevant in the long run. Very likely to be primaried out.
Actually the reason Ryan is "boldly" challenging Trump, is because Ryan is in an extremely safe district. He will probably be on the Trump train soon. He just had to make a show of it, for the one side that wants to see that from him.

His remarks were from an insider, playing to other insiders' demands, interests. Doing the bidding of his masters, Romney, Bush, Rove, et all.

A few weeks ago, to "Republicans" Ryan was a miserable rino, but by standing up to Trump, he is the hero of the week at the new antitrumpbriefingroom.com

Republicans in general are pretty lousy at politics. That was the reason the primaries elevated the outside candidates. But memories are awful short.

Can't remember from week to month, what actually went on, let alone understand it. Remember Trump, Carson and Cruz at the top? Outsiders?

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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2016, 02:55:42 pm »
On-Topic, I saw Huckabee was criticizing Ryan for not getting on the team, being a team player.

Huckabee? The Huckabee who joined Santorum in Trump's boycott of that Iowa debate?

He's a Team Tool.

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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2016, 04:24:22 pm »
Ryan is much closer in views to Clinton, and much more comfortable with her brand of crony capitalism.

Golly.... The record says that Trump's views and politics (and campaign contributions) are a lot closer to Clinton than Ryan's are. 

But hey ... what's a factual record got to do with it?

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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2016, 04:29:56 pm »
There's no chance in hell they ditch Ryan just on Trump's say-so.

Yep.  Given that most downticket candidates are going to have to widely distance themselves from the radioactive Trump, the idea that Trump opposes Ryan will strengthen Ryan's hand.

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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2016, 04:51:13 pm »
In business terms, Ryan is Chairman of the Board.  It will be a beautiful thing seeing Trump work with a 535 member board of directors.

President Trump has the bully pulpit...and he's not afraid to use.  How many times does Donald Trump need to prove he knows how to win?


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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2016, 05:01:38 pm »
Actually the reason Ryan is "boldly" challenging Trump, is because Ryan is in an extremely safe district. He will probably be on the Trump train soon. He just had to make a show of it, for the one side that wants to see that from him.

His remarks were from an insider, playing to other insiders' demands, interests. Doing the bidding of his masters, Romney, Bush, Rove, et all.

A few weeks ago, to "Republicans" Ryan was a miserable rino, but by standing up to Trump, he is the hero of the week at the new antitrumpbriefingroom.com

Republicans in general are pretty lousy at politics. That was the reason the primaries elevated the outside candidates. But memories are awful short.

Can't remember from week to month, what actually went on, let alone understand it. Remember Trump, Carson and Cruz at the top? Outsiders?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ryan
 
His remarks were from an insider, playing to other insiders' demands, interests. Doing the bidding of his masters, Romney, Bush, Rove, et all.
  Spot on!  When he got the gig of VP slot I was happy...then after they lost his true self came out.  Antitrumpbriefingroom.com   :laugh: 


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Re: Byron York: What does Paul Ryan want from Donald Trump?
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2016, 05:21:12 pm »
Ryan's Speakership is already on troubled ground.  He has become nothing more than Obama's lap dog.  Trump will mop the floor with his butt worse than Biden did in the Vice Presidential debate.

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