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Minimum Wage, Maximum Stupidity
« on: April 29, 2016, 01:36:53 pm »
April 26, 2016
Minimum Wage, Maximum Stupidity
By Brian C. Joondeph

California is the latest state to dive headfirst into the shallow waters of raising the minimum wage. Predictably they are about to suffer, not a broken neck, but instead further injury to their already lackluster economy. Governor Jerry Brown recently announced a deal to raise the state minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2022.

This follows the efforts of other cities to raise their minimum wage last year, specifically Seattle and San Francisco. How did that work out? For large businesses that could pass on the wage increase to customers, no big deal. For smaller businesses such as bookstores or restaurants, not so well. Small businesses in competitive markets are unable to raise prices enough to cover their higher labor expense and instead reduce workers’ hours or simply reduce workers.

Los Angeles-based American Apparel, employing 4,000 workers, responding to the wage increase, “Said it might outsource the making of some garments to another manufacturer in the U.S., and wipe out about 500 local jobs.”

Another LA clothing manufacturer, Joompy, selling its goods to large retailers such as Forever 21, faces a similar predicament. An item formerly costing $5 to produce now costs $6.50, and the big retailers are buying elsewhere to keep their own costs down. As a result, “Joompy may have to start importing goods instead of producing them locally.”

Liberal bastion of higher learning, tolerance, and diversity, the University of California, Berkeley fired 500 employees a week after Governor Jerry Brown signed the new minimum wage bill into law. Coincidence or economics?

Should this be any surprise? Not to anyone with a basic knowledge of economics. One of the first things taught in Economics 101 is the demand curve. Raise the price of something and demand for that something goes down. And vice versa. Put your house on the market for a higher price than it’s worth and see if any buyers are interested. Conversely, set the asking price for less than it’s worth and you will have a bidding war.

Labor is no different. A wage is the price of labor. Raise the wage and fewer employers will want to pay that wage, instead employing fewer workers or giving them less hours. Great for the worker receiving the new higher wage and maintaining their hours. Not so good for the employee laid off or now working part time. Or those replaced with self-serve kiosks, another option to reduce labor costs.

It’s election season and raising the minimum wage is a campaign issue for candidates. Socialist Bernie Sanders wants “a national $15 per hour minimum wage.” Socialist wannabe Hillary Clinton also wants a $15 federal minimum wage, but with stipulations, phasing it in gradually and perhaps not at all in low cost of living areas.

Their hypocrisy is rich. Bernie pays his interns only $12 per hour. Hillary is worse, paying nothing to interns for her campaign or the Clinton Foundation.

Why only $15 per hour as the minimum wage? Why not $20 or $25 per hour? Is $15 really a “living wage”? This translates to roughly $30,000 per year, not even above the 138% Federal Poverty Level which would qualify a family of four for Medicaid. Has anyone asked proponents of a higher minimum wage why only $15 and not $50 an hour?

Who actually earns the minimum wage? Is it the breadwinner for the above family of four? Or a middle-class teenager working his first job while living at home? The Pew Research Center answered the question. Half of minimum wagers are age 16 to 24 and a quarter are age 16-19. Two-thirds are part-time workers. 55% work in leisure and hospitality and 14% work in retail, where tips and commissions supplement wages.

The minimum wagers are typically not the family breadwinner. Those under age 25 live in households with an average family income of $65,900. For those over age 25, the majority live above the poverty line, most work part time, and only 5% are married. Rather than being breadwinners, the typical minimum wage earner is a suburban teenager, not a single parent.

The minimum wage is popular among limousine liberals who fancy themselves as champions of the poor and downtrodden. Unfortunately raising the minimum wage has little effect on poverty or standard of living. Instead it often has the opposite effect of reducing employment and job opportunities, particularly among entry-level workers in low-skilled jobs. In other words, among those who need it the most.

Interestingly the New York Times had this issue right. “The Right Minimum Wage: $0.00” they say. “The idea of using a minimum wage to overcome poverty is old, honorable -- and fundamentally flawed.” The only problem was they wrote this in 1987. But hey, even a broken clock is right once a day.

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Re: Minimum Wage, Maximum Stupidity
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2016, 01:43:05 pm »
The minimum wage has to be be raised a little. The minimum wage has not kept pace with inflation. The MW I had at my first job is about $11.00 per hour today.

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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2016, 01:54:55 pm »
The minimum wage has to be be raised a little. The minimum wage has not kept pace with inflation. The MW I had at my first job is about $11.00 per hour today.

Why does it have to be raised?

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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2016, 02:04:29 pm »
Why does it have to be raised?

When I was young MW was a starter job. Not today. many people in their 30's+ is all they have in this globalist economy.   Also when I was younger at my first MW job I had time and half.  My nieces and nephews working MW have never had that joy. They only get 15-20 hours a week per job.

The country is in a race to the bottom.

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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2016, 02:05:24 pm »
Why should there be a mandated minimum wage at all?  Very few companies pay the minimum wage anyway, but forcing an artificial figure means automation will take over more mundane tasks like ordering in restaurants and much warehouse work.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2016, 02:08:03 pm »
When I was young MW was a starter job. Not today. many people in their 30's+ is all they have in this globalist economy.   Also when I was younger at my first MW job I had time and half.  My nieces and nephews working MW have never had that joy. They only get 15-20 hours a week per job.

The country is in a race to the bottom.

First, only 2% of workers make minimum wage.  If you read the article, very few are breadwinners; most are younger, living with their parents. 

Minimum wage is an artificial floor for very few jobs, but is used as the benchmark by labor unions for raising wages of those who make $30-40 an hour.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2016, 02:08:13 pm »
Minimum Wage laws HURT the very people they are supposed to help! 


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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2016, 02:10:32 pm »
When I was young MW was a starter job. Not today. many people in their 30's+ is all they have in this globalist economy.   Also when I was younger at my first MW job I had time and half.  My nieces and nephews working MW have never had that joy. They only get 15-20 hours a week per job.

The country is in a race to the bottom.

While I agree that the job market isn't as attractive as when we were young, I disagree about minimum wage being the only option. There are semi skilled jobs with growth potential. The reason a lot of younger people are limited in the job market is because they lack motivation.

Minimum wage should not be a living wage.

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2016, 02:16:32 pm »
Why should there be a mandated minimum wage at all? 

Because many companies would pay less than minimum wage if given the chance. MW keeps us from becoming a third world country with only 2 classes of people.

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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2016, 02:18:28 pm »
While I agree that the job market isn't as attractive as when we were young, I disagree about minimum wage being the only option. There are semi skilled jobs with growth potential. The reason a lot of younger people are limited in the job market is because they lack motivation.

Minimum wage should not be a living wage.

There are apprentice positions in the trades going begging all over this land and the graduates of those programs are going to make the kind of money doctors and lawyers make today!  They go begging because the little cupcakes of today are unwilling to get their lillywhites dirty!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2016, 02:24:15 pm »
There are apprentice positions in the trades going begging all over this land and the graduates of those programs are going to make the kind of money doctors and lawyers make today!  They go begging because the little cupcakes of today are unwilling to get their lillywhites dirty!

I couldn't agree more. Our little snowflakes want to be lawyers like they see on tv. Drive expensive cars, live in homes the size of office buildings, and do next to nothing.

Mike Rowe is on this, and he is an incredible guy.

http://www.mikeroweworks.com/noflash.html

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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2016, 02:26:51 pm »
Because many companies would pay less than minimum wage if given the chance. MW keeps us from becoming a third world country with only 2 classes of people.

So?  Labor should be governed by supply and demand like every other commodity.  The marketplace has determined, for instance, that major league baseball players should command more wages than public school teachers because there are fewer people who can hit a 98 mph fastball than can teach geography.

If minimum wage keeps us from being a third world country, why doesn't IBM pay minimum wage?  You know very well why.  Because the talent level IBM needs won't work for minimum wage.

Minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage, as Relic points out.  More young people will be squeezed out of the job market at higher minimum wage levels.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2016, 02:28:15 pm »
I couldn't agree more. Our little snowflakes want to be lawyers like they see on tv. Drive expensive cars, live in homes the size of office buildings, and do next to nothing.

Mike Rowe is on this, and he is an incredible guy.

http://www.mikeroweworks.com/noflash.html

Yeah! MIke is GREAT!  But I doubt he has enough influence to move the ball very much.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2016, 02:28:55 pm »
Yeah! MIke is GREAT!  But I doubt he has enough influence to move the ball very much.

Maybe not, but God Bless him for trying.

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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2016, 02:29:46 pm »
Maybe not, but God Bless him for trying.

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2016, 02:54:14 pm »
Minimum Wage laws HURT the very people they are supposed to help! 

 :amen:

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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2016, 02:03:59 am »
During July/August 1966 I had my first "real job" -- collecting shopping carts at a Daitch Shopwell supermarket in Norwalk, Connecticut.

I was paid $1.25 per hour, which I believe was the minimum wage for that time.

Just for the heck of it, I used this page (inflation calculator) to see what that might be worth in today's dollars:
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=1.25&year1=1966&year2=2016

Results:
$9.19.

$15 an hour?
Sounds like a s-t-r-e-t-c-h to me...

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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2016, 12:23:38 pm »
First, only 2% of workers make minimum wage.  If you read the article, very few are breadwinners; most are younger, living with their parents. 

Minimum wage is an artificial floor for very few jobs, but is used as the benchmark by labor unions for raising wages of those who make $30-40 an hour.

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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2016, 12:27:30 pm »
:amen:

Permission to come aboard, sir! :patriot:  Its always great to have another well seasoned Navy man in the forum. \ 0005a  We add so much color and wisdom to discussions; we also sling a lot of bull. :whistle:  Anyway , I'll look forward to more of your wisdom. :beer:

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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2016, 12:31:12 pm »
During July/August 1966 I had my first "real job" -- collecting shopping carts at a Daitch Shopwell supermarket in Norwalk, Connecticut.

I was paid $1.25 per hour, which I believe was the minimum wage for that time.

Just for the heck of it, I used this page (inflation calculator) to see what that might be worth in today's dollars:
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=1.25&year1=1966&year2=2016

Results:
$9.19.

$15 an hour?
Sounds like a s-t-r-e-t-c-h to me...

I had a job at the University television station operating cameras at the same time and also made $1.25 which was a "big jump" from my home job where I hauled in $1/hr.

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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2016, 12:41:35 am »
Permission to come aboard, sir! :patriot:  Its always great to have another well seasoned Navy man in the forum. \ 0005a  We add so much color and wisdom to discussions; we also sling a lot of bull. :whistle:  Anyway , I'll look forward to more of your wisdom. :beer:

Thanks, I noticed there are quite a few of us on here.  Nice!