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Trump Has a Plan to Win Conservative Support?
« on: April 13, 2016, 03:17:23 pm »
Trump Has a Plan to Win Conservative Support?

 by JIM GERAGHTY   

April 13, 2016 10:26 AM

 In the Wall Street Journal op-ed entitled Trump’s Plan to Win Conservative Support, Fred Barnes says Trump will soon deliver “a series of formal speeches on policy issues, set pieces drafted by speechwriters and delivered from prepared texts.”

If this is all it takes to get a conservative on board with Trump, they’re the cheapest of cheap dates. Trump speaks off the cuff and offers liberal progressive views, time and again. He supported the stimulus, TARP, and the auto bailout. When he criticized Scott Walker, Trump said, “instead of raising taxes, he cut back on schools, he cut back on highways, he cut back on a lot of things.” He’s defending Planned Parenthood at length, supported affirmative action, and said the impeachment of George W. Bush would have been “a wonderful thing.” He said his sister, a judge who believes the Constitution guarantees the right to a partial-birth abortion, would make a phenomenal Supreme Court judge. Until recently, Trump supported higher taxes on the wealthy, the Assault Weapons ban and longer waiting times for gun purchases.

And now conservatives are supposed to put aside their doubts because Trump manages to stick to the script for one speech? What do you think more accurately reflects Trump’s true perspective, his off-the-cuff comments or delivering a speech written by someone else?

Barnes concludes, “The overtures to conservatives are crucial to the Trump campaign. His ‘pivot’ will have to be genuine, his speeches credible. It’s all up to the unpredictable Mr. Trump.”

I see Trump as an incoherent populist authoritarian, but at least he’s an authentic incoherent populist authoritarian. Don’t insult conservatives by clumsily trying to be something you’re not.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/434009/trump-has-plan-win-conservative-support
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Re: Trump Has a Plan to Win Conservative Support?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 03:24:01 pm »
Trump will soon deliver “a series of formal speeches on policy issues, set pieces drafted by speechwriters and delivered from prepared texts.

Hope his speech writers shy away from the big words.  We wouldn't want to tax His 5th grade reading level to much.

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Re: Trump Has a Plan to Win Conservative Support?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 03:28:30 pm »
The problem is conservatives don't trust him. He can say anything in a speech and it isn't worth the co2 he is expelling. A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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Re: Trump Has a Plan to Win Conservative Support?
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2016, 03:29:08 pm »
That ship has sailed.

There was a time, early on in the campaign, where if Trump had pivoted from attacking anyone and everyone to behaving like an adult, he could have firmed up his support.

Instead, he behaves like a middle schooler on a daily basis. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, the man isn't a moron. He's played the media with skill, and he has accomplished some things in his business life. It still makes me wonder if this wasn't the plan all along? The plan to ensure a president Clinton. If so, it seems to be working.

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 03:38:19 pm »
Relec, I think you give the man too much credit.   He is certainly devious enough but I really doubt he is capable of putting the effort required to follow it thu.

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Re: Trump Has a Plan to Win Conservative Support?
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2016, 03:44:17 pm »
Relec, I think you give the man too much credit.   He is certainly devious enough but I really doubt he is capable of putting the effort required to follow it thu.

I don't know the man's motivation. But, I think you sell him short. He's accomplished big projects. Just imagine the gratitude he'd win from the Clintons if his plan was to ensure Hillary's election?

If Trump isn't running to help Hillary, then he is dumber than I thought. There is no way the RNC is going to allow someone with the mentality of a middle schooler to be the nominee.

At one point I thought Trump would be the nominee, that was before he started behaving like a juvenile delinquent on a regular basis.

Now, I think it will be a contested convention, and if that happens, watch Kasich.

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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2016, 03:52:04 pm »
I guess I just don't see it.
For a man who portrays himself as a master businessman who employs top experts to cut savvy deals,
he sure appears to be failing at running his campaign. All I see is an incompetent manager who, in the face of a
complex challenges, cannot even represent his own interests.

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Re: Trump Has a Plan to Win Conservative Support?
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2016, 04:09:49 pm »
It still makes me wonder if this wasn't the plan all along? The plan to ensure a president Clinton. If so, it seems to be working.

I'd said that early and often, elsewhere and then here, that there had to be a Clintonian
factor in Donaldus Minimus's doings on the trail and toward the convention. And very few
seemed to be listening then. Few enough are listening now. But he was sure an ally of
the Clintons long before he even thought about jumping into the Republican presidential
race and, considering how he's run the damn race, it only makes too much sense that
he'd really be a Clintonesque stalking horse of a sort.

p.s. Juvenile delinquents are usually better behaved than Donaldus Minimus.


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Re: Trump Has a Plan to Win Conservative Support?
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2016, 04:15:33 pm »
That ship has sailed.

There was a time, early on in the campaign, where if Trump had pivoted from attacking anyone and everyone to behaving like an adult, he could have firmed up his support.

Instead, he behaves like a middle schooler on a daily basis. Regardless of how you feel about Trump, the man isn't a moron. He's played the media with skill, and he has accomplished some things in his business life. It still makes me wonder if this wasn't the plan all along? The plan to ensure a president Clinton. If so, it seems to be working.

Here I mostly agree with you. If he had started off as being serious and as having put real thought into real things, I would probably have given him some serious consideration.  But he didn't and a set piece speech written by others that is supposed to seduce me won't do it.  It's far too late for that. 

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Re: Trump Has a Plan to Win Conservative Support?
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2016, 04:17:10 pm »
I'd said that early and often, elsewhere and then here, that there had to be a Clintonian
factor in Donaldus Minimus's doings on the trail and toward the convention. And very few
seemed to be listening then. Few enough are listening now. But he was sure an ally of
the Clintons long before he even thought about jumping into the Republican presidential
race and, considering how he's run the damn race, it only makes too much sense that
he'd really be a Clintonesque stalking horse of a sort.

p.s. Juvenile delinquents are usually better behaved than Donaldus Minimus.

I never cared for the Trump persona. I was willing to see where it went, but early on I read someone postulate that Trump was running interference for Hillary, and it really does fit. It's kind of like when people say, if Obama was trying to destroy America, what would he be doing different from what he's doing now? If Trump was trying to ensure Hillary got elected, what would he be doing different from what he's doing now?

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Re: Trump Has a Plan to Win Conservative Support?
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2016, 04:18:18 pm »
I never cared for the Trump persona. I was willing to see where it went, but early on I read someone postulate that Trump was running interference for Hillary, and it really does fit. It's kind of like when people say, if Obama was trying to destroy America, what would he be doing different from what he's doing now? If Trump was trying to ensure Hillary got elected, what would he be doing different from what he's doing now?

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Re: Trump Has a Plan to Win Conservative Support?
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2016, 04:47:49 pm »
Shades of 1912. Woodrow Wilson, now played by Clinton, sees a threat from a Socialist, with Sanders playing the role of Socialist party Debs, orchestrates a split in the Republican party between Taft and Roosevelt over, among other things, trade tariffs. Roosevelt (Trump) with big bravado, takes his supporters and leaves, running under the Progressive Party (Bull-Moose party), splitting the Republican vote enough to give Wilson the victory.
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2016, 04:52:13 pm »
Shades of 1912. Woodrow Wilson, now played by Clinton, sees a threat from a Socialist, with Sanders playing the role of Socialist party Debs, orchestrates a split in the Republican party between Taft and Roosevelt over, among other things, trade tariffs. Roosevelt (Trump) with big bravado, takes his supporters and leaves, running under the Progressive Party (Bull-Moose party), splitting the Republican vote enough to give Wilson the victory.

And the election of Woodrow Wilson was a total DISASTER for this once great republic!  Second only to the election of Abraham Lincoln!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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