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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2016, 05:14:56 am »
Alert, DC-Patriot, and Right in Virginia? They accompanied Navy on his vacation?!?!?

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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2016, 05:34:20 am »
Alert, DC-Patriot, and Right in Virginia? They accompanied Navy on his vacation?!?!?

Cut the crap!

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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2016, 12:10:53 pm »
Trump represents moral decay to me.  The fact that someone so vulgar could lead our country shows the sad state that we are in as a nation.  And not only Trump but Hillary and her sleaze husband if you could call him that.

You hit the nail on the head ... Trump does represent moral decay and the sheer ugliness in society that has evolved as a result.

We need someone who will lead us back to moral, Constitutional and christian values...the very foundation of our country.  I'm ready for someone who will lead us on a path of restoration rather than on a path of destruction.

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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2016, 12:26:30 pm »
I actually disagree with anyone who says Reagan couldn't get elected today. Reagan's temperament was more like Kasich's than anyone else. He was likable, folksy, etc. Kasich is actually creaming any democrat according to the polls.


Kasich's politics are more like Reagan's too.   Which makes sense, since he came to Congress in the first great conservative wave after Reagan's election.    Kasich can sell conservative change;  just think of how much he and a GOP Congress can do if the lesson of this election is the repudiation of Hillary Clinton.   Instead,  Clinton will get a pass as the election hinges on the fascism of Trump and his racialist followers, or the "extremism" of Cruz.     
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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2016, 12:31:37 pm »
Trump represents moral decay to me.  The fact that someone so vulgar could lead our country shows the sad state that we are in as a nation.  And not only Trump but Hillary and her sleaze husband if you could call him that.

Trump won't lead this nation.  Too many decent people for that to happen.   What Trump's rise illuminates to me is the ugliness of his followers;  there is a brewing audience out there for a strongman who will ignore the Constitution.    The GOP must not only reject Trump, they must reject his followers.   If they want to riot; let 'em.   
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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2016, 12:33:26 pm »
you simply refuse to face reality.

Their reality is not your reality. Instead of being insulting you should just accept that you will never get through to some people.
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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2016, 12:47:42 pm »
Trump won't lead this nation.  Too many decent people for that to happen.   What Trump's rise illuminates to me is the ugliness of his followers;  there is a brewing audience out there for a strongman who will ignore the Constitution.    The GOP must not only reject Trump, they must reject his followers.   If they want to riot; let 'em.   

There is no room in the Republican Party for misogynists, racists, bigots, advocates of war crimes, destroyers of federalism, or promoters of violence.  Let them form their own party and sink into irrelevance.
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« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2016, 12:53:05 pm »
Their reality is not your reality. Instead of being insulting you should just accept that you will never get through to some people.

Reality is not subjective. 

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« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2016, 12:57:28 pm »

Kasich's politics are more like Reagan's too.   Which makes sense, since he came to Congress in the first great conservative wave after Reagan's election.    Kasich can sell conservative change;  just think of how much he and a GOP Congress can do if the lesson of this election is the repudiation of Hillary Clinton.   Instead,  Clinton will get a pass as the election hinges on the fascism of Trump and his racialist followers, or the "extremism" of Cruz.     

Jazz, I find it very interesting that Cruz who is a Constitutional conservative you label as an 'extremist'.  I find it very sad that we as a country label someone who honors, loves and defends the Constitution of the United States, as an extremist. God help us.  The Constitution is the backbone of our Republic. Consider that the erosion in our country and overreach of our government is because those in power are slowly shredding our rights under the Constitution...without it we won't have a Republic left.  We will have a socialistic society or a 'banana republic' at best.

Kasich can sell conservative change?  I realize that you view him as a conservative, but his records speak otherwise. Change to what?  More liberalism?  More pandering to the left?  No thanks. IF we do not elect someone who will lead us to restoration rather than continue us on the path of destruction that we are on we WILL lose this country. 

I do believe that Kasich would make a much much better President than Trump and I could vote for him against Hillary, but we have a much greater opportunity to restore this country with Cruz.
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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2016, 01:31:42 pm »
LB,  I placed the word "extremism" in quotes deliberately;  on most issues I can find common ground with Cruz but rest assured he will be attacked as an "extremist" by much of the media.   The quotes were intended to convey that Cruz is generally perceived as extreme, not that I personally agree with that label.  (Note that I didn't put fascist in quotes when addressing Trump - that man's a fascist and a present danger to the nation.   

LB,  I've said many times that I can support Cruz as the nominee.   But he has never been one of my favorites for the nomination because I can see the problems he would have governing given all the enemies he's made.   I'm a pragmatic, old-school conservative; I don't see an existential crisis where we need to "restore" the nation as you do.   For me,  I want to restore economic growth, reform entitlements,  and appoint conservatives to the courts and the federal bureaucracy.   Kasich and a GOP Congress can do all that.    Cruz doesn't see the need to try to build a coalition with moderates and independents and that will likely cost him the election if he's the nominee. 

While there's a world of difference between Cruz, a decent and honorable man, and Trump,  the bottom line for me is that neither is electable.   That's why I'm still holding out for John Kasich,  who has demonstrated for many years his ability to lead and effect conservative change.   
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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2016, 01:34:47 pm »
There is no room in the Republican Party for misogynists, racists, bigots, advocates of war crimes, destroyers of federalism, or promoters of violence.  Let them form their own party and sink into irrelevance.

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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2016, 02:08:46 pm »
Reality is not subjective.

Our perception of it is. I know more than one person on this forum that has an omnipotent understanding of reality. How they achieve that simultaneously I will never understand, but I propose they take a more delicate approach when imparting their wisdom onto the ignorant masses.
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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2016, 02:38:25 pm »
Hell no - This is MY ISLAND.

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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2016, 03:00:58 pm »
Our perception of it is. I know more than one person on this forum that has an omnipotent understanding of reality. How they achieve that simultaneously I will never understand, but I propose they take a more delicate approach when imparting their wisdom onto the ignorant masses.

Just because it's truly impossible to know the true objective reality does not mean that we shouldn't strive to obtain it.

Any objective assessment of Trump's chances in NOvember can only lead to the conclusion that we will be royally creamed with this guy if he's nominated.

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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2016, 03:18:59 pm »
anoinTED TED

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/336830/

"It’s worth noting for historical context that in every presidential election since the Roe v. Wade ruling in 1973, the Republican ticket has opposed abortion rights, but supported a rape exception. Cruz, should he be the GOP nominee, would be further to the right than any of his modern Republican predecessors."

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/cruz-makes-his-case-against-abortion-rape-exception

Should anoinTED get the nomination, he will be dubbed Extreme at every opportunity.

"When it comes to evaluating Cruz as a general-election contender, the senator is extremely far to the right on most of the major issues of the day, and this is no exception – some polling suggests 83% of Americans believe women impregnated by a rapist should be legally allowed to terminate that pregnancy."

In my view, the media have laid off attacking Cruz and his extreme positions, in hopes the GOP nominates him. Then it goes into high gear. Extreme anoinTED Cruz.

At the end Hillary will be elected the first female President, for she will be portrayed in the general as a centrist, who would not dare impose such extreme measures, as anoinTED Cruz.
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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2016, 03:27:21 pm »
Reagan spent the eight years prior to his election governing the largest State, and one of the largest economies in the world.

Trump has spent the last eight years wondering if he should fire Gary Busey or LaToya Jackson.

This made me LOL!!

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« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2016, 03:28:54 pm »
This made me LOL!!

Trump's also been doing other stuff: Trump U scam, fake steaks, MLM schemes.

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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2016, 03:33:10 pm »
Trump's also been doing other stuff: Trump U scam, fake steaks, MLM schemes.

Don't forget the pee tests....


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« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2016, 03:35:11 pm »
Trump has the best Pee.

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« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2016, 03:35:25 pm »
Trump was still trying to sell videophones in 2011. I actually know someone who was involved in this MLM scam.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-made-millions-from-multilevel-marketing-firm-1439481128


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« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2016, 08:58:40 pm »
There is no room in the Republican Party for misogynists, racists, bigots, advocates of war crimes, destroyers of federalism, or promoters of violence.  Let them form their own party and sink into irrelevance.

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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2016, 09:03:10 pm »
There is no room in the Republican Party for misogynists, racists, bigots, advocates of war crimes, destroyers of federalism, or promoters of violence.  Let them form their own party and sink into irrelevance.
Or, inevitably, they explode into fury and try to hijack someone else's party at the first opportunity. Hence why you see the unruly behavior at Trump rallies. This is the end result of a half-century of society telling people their beliefs and experiences don't matter. These people are fed up—and they're taking it out on anyone they can.

These kinds of "wrong thoughts" don't just go away on their own, especially if an agenda is being forced on people the way they are today.
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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #48 on: April 12, 2016, 10:53:10 pm »
Trump represents moral decay to me.  The fact that someone so vulgar could lead our country shows the sad state that we are in as a nation.  And not only Trump but Hillary and her sleaze husband if you could call him that.

Winston Churchill was also a vulgar man...often crude, ruthless to his political enemies at times, and infamously impolite. When polite conversation fails to convey the immediacy of a crisis, vulgarity can serve as an essential alarm to wake people up to grave danger. The sad state of the nation is PRECISELY why a little vulgarity is needed...direct, honest and free of political correctness. Trump and Churchill were very different personalities, but they are very much alike in the way they've used a vulgar turn of phrase to make a necessary point that is being ignored.
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Re: Like Trump, Reagan was at 30% approval in April 1980.
« Reply #49 on: April 12, 2016, 10:55:46 pm »
Winston Churchill was also a vulgar man...often crude, ruthless to his political enemies at times, and infamously impolite. When polite conversation fails to convey the immediacy of a crisis, vulgarity can serve as an essential alarm to wake people up to grave danger. The sad state of the nation is PRECISELY why a little vulgarity is needed...direct, honest and free of political correctness. Trump and Churchill were very different personalities, but they are very much alike in the way they've used a vulgar turn of phrase to make a necessary point that is being ignored.

 :silly: So Trump = Churchill now?  :silly:

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