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Re: John Kasich Warns Against Singling Out Muslims for Monitoring
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2016, 02:56:31 am »
Ok.  But I think waterboarding is mostly considered to still be on the safe side of the line.  We can probably treat it as not being torture.

Except for that little thing called a law against waterboarding.  Can't do it.
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« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2016, 02:58:03 am »
Except for that little thing called a law against waterboarding.  Can't do it.

Fair enough.  However, as a general matter, I don't believe it's classified as torture.

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Re: John Kasich Warns Against Singling Out Muslims for Monitoring
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2016, 03:01:29 am »
Except for that little thing called a law against waterboarding.  Can't do it.

That's easy..change the law..
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« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2016, 03:02:41 am »
That's easy..change the law..

Probably harder to do than just saying it.  Certainly it's not something any president could change by executive order.

If the US had such a terrorist in its possession, I suppose the CIA could "rendition" the terrorist to a country with fewer scruples.
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« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2016, 05:41:53 am »
Yes, and it is what the terrorists want.   They want us to overreact and radicalize Muslim communities for them.

They are counting us to hate.   Kasich points out that that's not who we are,  and is apparently drummed out of proper conservatism for his efforts.   Well then we've lost our way folks,  and forgotten that our common defense doesn't mean killing the Constitution in order to save it.   

Bigotry.

You are assuming Muslims think like we do. They don't.

Those that are peaceful are like anti-Nazis in Germany during WWII - few, far between, and dead the second the Nazis find them.

Sorry, but I look daily at what's going on in the Muslim world, in their own lands, and I see a people by and large from their leadership to the man in the street that support sharia and believe violently imposing it on everyone on the planet.
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« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2016, 01:34:02 pm »
Bigotry.

You are assuming Muslims think like we do. They don't.

Those that are peaceful are like anti-Nazis in Germany during WWII - few, far between, and dead the second the Nazis find them.

Sorry, but I look daily at what's going on in the Muslim world, in their own lands, and I see a people by and large from their leadership to the man in the street that support sharia and believe violently imposing it on everyone on the planet.

Selective vision.  There are a lot more Muslims who are basically decent people than just a few here and there.  Certainly most Muslims in America are.  Or would you have us put our own citizens in concentration camps solely because of their religion?

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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2016, 02:03:12 pm »
Selective vision.  There are a lot more Muslims who are basically decent people than just a few here and there.  Certainly most Muslims in America are.  Or would you have us put our own citizens in concentration camps solely because of their religion?

Not according to the polls. 50% of American Muslims support sharia law, 25% believe in imposing it violently. To openly state that in America takes cajones, I'll willing to be the number is much higher.

Problem is that in Islam it's OK to lie to the infidel about your caliphate intentions. As such we don't know what those 'peaceful' Muslims really think as they will go to any lengths to hid it. If they are practicing, 9 times out of 10 they will be attending a mosque that preaches conquest and radicalizing.

I suspect the only safe ones are the non-practicing ones.
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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2016, 02:13:00 pm »
How many identifiable acts of terrorism committed during the past five years have not been committed by Muslims?
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« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2016, 06:52:15 pm »
How many identifiable acts of terrorism committed during the past five years have not been committed by Muslims?

How many times must we be told before we take it seriously, that if we infidels do not convert, we'll be killed ?

How many have to die before we take the death cult seriously?

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« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2016, 07:00:46 pm »
What....they only understand one thing...they consider us weak that is their mindset....we need to take ISIS out even if it means ground troops. It won't stop until we do.

We are weak... if we were strong, we would gather up the pieces of these jihadis after each attack and publicly feed them to the pigs...

That would specifically target just the jihadis and convince them that they won't make heaven...

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Re: John Kasich Warns Against Singling Out Muslims for Monitoring
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2016, 07:08:19 pm »
Bigotry.

You are assuming Muslims think like we do. They don't.

Those that are peaceful are like anti-Nazis in Germany during WWII - few, far between, and dead the second the Nazis find them.

Sorry, but I look daily at what's going on in the Muslim world, in their own lands, and I see a people by and large from their leadership to the man in the street that support sharia and believe violently imposing it on everyone on the planet.


A reason why US is less vulnerable than Europe is Muslims are part of our fabric: soldiers, doctors etc.  Bill Bratton, New York City police commissioner, just revealed this morning that he has 1,000 Muslim officers.

We are not Europe nor are we part of the Muslim world.

As for the poll you cited, it was produced by Center for Security Policy, run by Frank Gaffney, a notorious Muslim-under-every-bed fearmonger.

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CSP’s survey was a non-probability based, opt-in online survey, administered by the conservative group, the Polling Company/Woman Trend, a small Washington-based agency that has collaborated with CSP on other occasions to produce surveys about Islam and Muslims. (We learned this after reaching out to the Polling Company to get more details about their methodology, which wasn’t released to the public when Gaffney began promoting the survey’s findings.)

According to the body that sets ethical standards for polling, the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR), opt-in surveys cannot be considered representative of the intended population, in this case Muslims. The AAPOR says that in these cases, “the pollster has no idea who is responding to the question” and that these kind of “polls do not have such a ‘grounded statistical tie’ to the population.”

http://bridge.georgetown.edu/new-poll-on-american-muslims-is-grounded-in-bias-riddled-with-flaws/

In other words, the poll saying half of American Muslims support sharia law is bogus.
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« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2016, 07:10:32 pm »
Interesting chart:

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