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The Washington Post published an editorial on Thursday calling for the Republican Party to reject the will of its primary voters and to stage a brokered convention to prevent Donald Trump from becoming its presidential nominee.

The editorial argues that Trump is a dangerous demagogue who must be stopped by and legal means necessary:

DONALD TRUMP’S primary victories Tuesday present the Republican Party with a stark choice. Should leaders unite behind Mr. Trump, who has collected the most delegates but may reach the convention in July without a nominating majority? Or should they do everything they can to deny him the nomination? On a political level, this may be a dilemma. As a moral question, it is straightforward. The mission of any responsible Republican should be to block a Trump nomination and election.

… Mr. Trump must be stopped because he presents a threat to American democracy. Mr. Trump resembles other strongmen throughout history who have achieved power by manipulating democratic processes …

We are not advocating that rules be broken, but that they be employed to maximum effect – to force a brokered convention and nominate a conservative candidate who respects the Constitution, or to defeat Mr. Trump in some other way.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/17/washington-post-calls-for-establishment-coup-against-trump/

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reject the will of its primary voters

What will is that?  Unless Trump manages to get a majority of committed delegates before the convention, the will of the primary voters has not spoken and therefore a brokered convention would not be rejecting that will.

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Who wrote the editorial, Hillary and the the demonrat party?

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If Trump has the delegates to win walking in, then it's over. He controls all the committees and the rules and will control the floor. Any attempt to unseat him will be rebuffed by majority vote. At that point there will be no brokered convention. It's that simple.
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GOP, the Wash Po knows if you do this you will do massive damage to your candidates not just nationally but in state and local elections as well.  No matter how passionately you hate Trump, do not fool yourselves. The GOPE will not be able to disenfranchise millions of GOP voters and escaped unscathed.

IF Trump is such the disaster as the GOPE predict, then the GOPE should let him win simply to teach the GOP voters a lesson for the future.  Show them the GOPE knows better then the voters who should be the candidate.

These daily desperate attempts to stop Trump at all costs send the voters the exact opposite message.

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If Trump has the delegates to win walking in, then it's over. He controls all the committees and the rules and will control the floor. Any attempt to unseat him will be rebuffed by majority vote. At that point there will be no brokered convention. It's that simple.

Hope you are right But IMO thr RNC will do everything legal but more important illegal to stop Trump from becoming the candidate. That includes the un thinkable to him or his family. People are just starting to see the scumbags the RNC has been for years and they have fooled a lot of people. IMO Trump will not become the candidate and will have it cheated away from him , somehow! **nononono*

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What will is that?  Unless Trump manages to get a majority of committed delegates before the convention, the will of the primary voters has not spoken and therefore a brokered convention would not be rejecting that will.

Correct.   Unless he arrives at the convention with a majority of the delegates,  Trump has bupkis.   He has no moral argument to claim the nomination; he's only the candidate of a faction.   
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reject the will of its primary voters

Will of the  primary voters?  The huge majority of Republican voters who have already cast a ballot, say no to Trump. Somewhere close to 60%. That is the will of the primary voters.   
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Hope you are right But IMO thr RNC will do everything legal but more important illegal to stop Trump from becoming the candidate. That includes the un thinkable to him or his family. People are just starting to see the scumbags the RNC has been for years and they have fooled a lot of people. IMO Trump will not become the candidate and will have it cheated away from him , somehow! **nononono*

The beautiful thing about conventions Longiron is that they are a blank slate. Who fills out the slate is the group or campaign that has the majority of delegates, as long as they are on the ball and don't let the minority slip something past them. They control the committees, enforce the membership, make the rules, appoint the convention officers, run the convention, take the votes, and record the results. Even the party leadership has little to no say in the process.

Whoever walks in with a majority of delegates simply needs to be organized and aggressive and beat down any attempts at undermining their candidates majority, and they will walk out with the nomination.
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So glad to know that the Washington Post has the best interests of the Republican party at heart.  They have given so much love to Republicans over the years so we must listen to their touching pleas.

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So glad to know that the Washington Post has the best interests of the Republican party at heart.  They have given so much love to Republicans over the years so we must listen to their touching pleas.

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So glad to know that the Washington Post has the best interests of the Republican party at heart.  They have given so much love to Republicans over the years so we must listen to their touching pleas.
Exactly. No matter which candidate we support, we all should take the WashPoo's recommendations with a grain of salt.
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Will of the  primary voters?  The huge majority of Republican voters who have already cast a ballot, say no to Trump. Somewhere close to 60%. That is the will of the primary voters.

Primary voters vote for a specific individual and each vote counts for a specific candidate.   There is no vote tabulated against any candidate even if that is what the voter's intention is.   Therefore, there is no vote against Trump. 

True, most of the primary voters have not voted for Trump.  However, Trump has far more votes than any other GOP candidate.

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True, most of the primary voters have not voted for Trump.  However, Trump has far more votes than any other GOP candidate.

In that case more people voted against Ted Cruz than voted against Donald Trump.

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A plurality is not the will of the people, sorry.

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It boils down to this: the line to procure the nomination is 1237 delegates. If they make it, they're in. If all the candidates fall short then it becomes  a brokered convention. It may not be the candidate with the most delegates that wins if the others make a deal and combine theirs to get the majority.

That setup may not please the lead candidate, but tough crap. The threshold was 1237, you knew the rules ahead of time. Anything else is loser territory. and you take your  chances. No pissing, crying, bitching or moaning is going to change that.

Which means the hard core Trumpets who are already doing victory laps need to end the frat boy dick dominance overconfidence parade and get their guy elected. That's going to take hard work, strategy, ground game, leadership, stamina, and possibly having to make deals with other factions of the party, which is what Trump claims to be an expert at.

And I'm fine with that. Trump talks the big talk, so I want this to go to the wire and see if he's got the grit to get it out there and earn it, not just dictate it into being.
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The Washington Post always has the best interests of Hillary Clinton and the demonrats at heart.

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A plurality is not the will of the people, sorry.

That's right - only a majority counts.   A plurality doesn't convey any rights on Trump supporters to have their Dear Leader as the nominee, let alone to riot as Trump is urging them to do.   

It is entirely legitimate and consistent with the democratic process to broker the nominee if no candidate emerges from the first ballot with a majority of the delegates.   After the first ballot, all's fair, including for the majority of Republicans who oppose Trump to unite and tell his faction to take a long walk off a short pier.    And if the Trumpsters want to stay home on election day, that's their right.   But it's not their right to riot.   
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