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Shameful Spectacles, in Chicago and Elsewhere
« on: March 14, 2016, 02:02:09 pm »
Shameful Spectacles, in Chicago and Elsewhere

 by THE EDITORS   

March 14, 2016 4:00 AM

The curious case of Donald Trump vs. Riots Inc. puts us in mind of Henry Kissinger’s assessment of the Iran–Iraq War: It’s a pity both sides can’t lose.

Instead, the loss is being suffered by the United States and its political institutions.

Politics-by-riot, and politics-by-threat-of-riot, is unworthy of the oldest and finest democratic republic on earth. Politics-by-assault isn’t just a crime, though such crimes should be robustly prosecuted: It is an attack on the institutions that make American self-governance possible as much as an attack on individual speakers or protesters. Among those institutions are freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. The Bill of Rights guarantees protection of those rights from government encroachment, but they also must be defended from mob-ocracy, which we have seen more than enough of in the past year, from Ferguson to Washington.

 Donald Trump canceled a rally in Chicago after protests that were intended to pressure him into doing so. Which is to say, protests that were not oriented toward political expression but toward its suppression. If you have any doubt of that, consider that the protesters chanted “We stopped Trump!” after they succeeded in out-bullying the big bully of Fifth Avenue. Trump, for his part, played the martyr — a cynical posture for a man who fantasizes in public about using the law to punish journalists who displease him. A protester disrupted a planned Trump event in Ohio and later described his goal as to “take his podium away from him and take his mic away from him.” Another act of protest oriented not toward political expression but toward its suppression. That protester has been charged with disorderly conduct, and the evidence is plain enough that he should be convicted.

Trump — Saddam Hussein to the ayatollahs of political correctness on the other side — is of course far from blameless in all this. That is not to say that Trump’s irresponsible, wild-eyed, and meat-headed rhetoric, which has included explicit calls for violence against his critics, is responsible for having provoked the protests. Rather, Trump’s rhetoric has been unworthy of a presidential candidate — and unworthy of an American — in and of itself.

In case you are in need of a refresher: When members of the audience violently attacked protesters, Trump said this was “appropriate” and something “we need more of.” A shortcoming of American politics is that “nobody wants to hurt each other anymore,” he insists. He longed for “the good old days” when vigilantes would stop protesters and “treat them very, very rough.” He has offered to pay the legal bills of allies who commit criminal assault against protesters. He has fantasized about committing violence himself: “I’d like to punch him in the face,” he said of one protester. (Trump’s manicurist must have winced a little.) He called for protesters to be “carried out on a stretcher.” His instructions to audience members included “Knock the crap out of them.” There is much more.

 Civil discourse requires civil people. The Black Lives Matters protesters and the others who rioted and burned in Ferguson, Baltimore, and other cities are not civil people. Neither is Donald Trump, who as a public figure and a political candidate bears a special responsibility to lead by example. There was a time when men of Trump’s station understood civic responsibility, though that time seems to have passed with the rise of the Kardashian culture of which Trump and Trump-ism are an integral part. In that culture, the basics have been forgotten: Free speech for you means free speech for others, too; political violence is illegitimate in a liberal society that offers many other avenues of redress; and, as a better man than any of these miscreants once put it, political passion may strain the bonds that join us together, but “we are not enemies.”

Among the reasons that Donald Trump would be a bad president is the fact that he is a bad citizen, as he has demonstrated spectacularly in recent months. Those who would deny him a public platform through violence and the threat of violence are equally poor citizens and should be kept far from the levers of power — as should opportunists who associate with them.

There is a difference between enjoying liberty and taking liberties. This isn’t Bull Run. Trump, and those who despise him, both have a right to make themselves heard, in peace. The childishness and stupidity on both sides is shameful, and decent people on both sides should say as much and insist on better.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432747/donald-trump-chicago-rally-protesters-violence
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Shameful Spectacles, in Chicago and Elsewhere
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2016, 02:35:45 pm »
I think a lot of this is due to the diminishing quality of education, especially the Constitution.  Even law schools tend not to deal with it anymore.  How can there be respect for the law when there is no law?  Kids are being what is PC, not Constitutional.

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Re: Shameful Spectacles, in Chicago and Elsewhere
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2016, 02:37:54 pm »
I think a lot of this is due to the diminishing quality of education, especially the Constitution.  Even law schools tend not to deal with it anymore.  How can there be respect for the law when there is no law?  Kids are being what is PC, not Constitutional.

Yes. Trump shows no awareness of the Constitution, much less knowledge of it, and WWE seems to have taught him more than Wharton.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Shameful Spectacles, in Chicago and Elsewhere
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2016, 02:38:30 pm »
An then there is the spectral of Political whores trying to use the lawlessness because they have the mistaken notion that it will give then a poltical advantage.

Cruz could of had a long fruitful career. Now he just seen as another linguine spine poltical opportunist.

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Re: Shameful Spectacles, in Chicago and Elsewhere
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2016, 08:15:29 pm »
When a law is generally ignored... it's time to change the law to match societal behavior.

Example: the national 55mph speed limit.

We see it happening, right now, with the slow legalization of marijuana.

The problem is that our lawmaking institutions are moving much slower than society.  Which turns us into a nation of lawbreakers.

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This is why the "what part of illegal don't you understand" argument against illegal immigration is, in my view, bunk.  If the only concern is following the law; well, the law can be rewritten.  Amnesty plans are exactly that.

But those arguing the 'follow the law' are opposed to changing the law.  Which means that the argument isn't just a desire to follow the law itself, but something else.

There are good reasons to oppose illegal immigration, but this isn't one of them.
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Re: Shameful Spectacles, in Chicago and Elsewhere
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2016, 01:26:51 pm »
And this is why you are losing.

Pathetically sad and sorry attempt to play politics that is going to bite your candidates really really hard.

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Re: Shameful Spectacles, in Chicago and Elsewhere
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2016, 09:13:42 pm »
When a law is generally ignored... it's time to change the law to match societal behavior.
 

If societal behavior were the norm for changing laws, we might still have slavery.  Laws should be about right and wrong, not what a bunch of people would like to see.  Abraham Lincoln would have vehemently disagreed with your opinion.  He believed wholeheartedly that laws were to be followed until LEGALLY changed.  He would, and did, call the way of changing laws today mobocracy.

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2016, 09:17:41 pm »
Got it, a few hundred Storm Trooper  wanna bees ignore the law. Rather then think about that, just advocate the law be changed so the hysteric fringe is not punished for their lawlessness.

And this is what passes for "thought" these days.

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Re: Shameful Spectacles, in Chicago and Elsewhere
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2016, 09:26:29 pm »
If societal behavior were the norm for changing laws, we might still have slavery.  Laws should be about right and wrong, not what a bunch of people would like to see.  Abraham Lincoln would have vehemently disagreed with your opinion.  He believed wholeheartedly that laws were to be followed until LEGALLY changed.  He would, and did, call the way of changing laws today mobocracy.

That's the other way around.  The majority of the US population lived in states that had already outlawed slavery.  And in the south, it was a dying institution.  The Civil War broke out when the 'foot-dragging' South refused to adjust their laws to meet the changes in American society.  (Even on the economic side, the south was lagging behind the rest of American society as to trade/industrial revolution.)

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Re: Shameful Spectacles, in Chicago and Elsewhere
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2016, 09:27:32 pm »
Got it, a few hundred Storm Trooper  wanna bees ignore the law. Rather then think about that, just advocate the law be changed so the hysteric fringe is not punished for their lawlessness.

And this is what passes for "thought" these days.

Or when 2/3rds of the American population favor a path to citizenship... it's time to alter the law to allow it.

Two out of every three people in America.