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Re: Trump Is Unelectable
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2016, 01:34:21 am »
If he has serious electability problems why do you GOPers feel it necessary to insult and denigrate Trump and his supporters. Isn't that a waste of time and resources? Why not provide positive policies and accomplish ments of those you support?

Because right now there is a serious risk that y'all are going to saddle us with this unelectable chump.  And just because you don't like them doesn't make the facts insulting or denigrating.  Finally, once upon a time, and from time to time, we do try to explain why the more adult of the candidates is preferable, but (a) you always shout us down with cries of GOPe and GOProg, and (b) we acknowledge that the others have flaws, which makes it hard to discuss anything with true believers who's founding tenets include the belief in the infallibility of their hero.

Immigration is a complicated issue, with solutions that are not eminently ideologically satisfactory, but any time someone tries to have an adult conversation about it, we get shouted down with cries of "amnesty" "doesn't know what illegal means" and other inanities.  And all you and your hero can come up with are stupefyingly simple solutions that epitomize H.L. Mencken's aphorism that "for every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."

Islamic terrorism and the syrian refugee crisis are other problems that are individually complicated and together even more complicated because intertwined.  But again, all you and your hero can come up with are stupefyingly simple, and wrong, solutions.  Not all muslims hate America or Americans, certainly not the vast majority who are themselves Americans; so only a stupefying simpleton would claim that all muslims hate America, or propose as a solution that all muslims be rounded up and registered, like so many dogs with licenses.  And then we get Fishrrman, with his pix of Jews being loaded onto cattle cars by the Nazis, and his exhortation to "do it right this time."  That goes beyond simply being clear, simple, and wrong.  It's also immoral.
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Re: Trump Is Unelectable
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2016, 01:34:30 am »
You compare Trump to Reagan?  You have GOT to be kidding!!

Reagan had spent 30 years thinking about conservatism and its implications.

Trump has changed parties six times in the last 18 years.

No comparison.

I'm not comparing Trump to Reagan, Sink.

Just saying that they said Reagan was unelectable.   Period.

And we all know how that was proven unfounded.
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Re: Trump Is Unelectable
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2016, 01:36:35 am »
I'm not comparing Trump to Reagan, Sink.

Just saying that they said Reagan was unelectable.   Period.

And we all know how that was proven unfounded.


Bravo, and utterly irrelevant.  That the fears that Reagan was unelectable turned out to be unfounded has absolutely no bearing on whether Trump is unelectable unless one can equate Trump with Reagan.  So, you're either speaking empty trivialities, or you are in fact equating Trump and Reagan, which simply makes you a liar.

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Re: Trump Is Unelectable
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2016, 01:42:32 am »
I'm not comparing Trump to Reagan, Sink.

Just saying that they said Reagan was unelectable.   Period.

And we all know how that was proven unfounded.

Trump is REALLY not electable. 

Hillary beats him in 18 of 19 polls, the latest two by 10 points.

And his recent actions are doing nothing but making him more unelectable.

He will lose the minority vote, the women's vote. 

And, he will lose Republicans like me.
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Re: Trump Is Unelectable
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2016, 01:44:19 am »

Bravo, and utterly irrelevant.  That the fears that Reagan was unelectable turned out to be unfounded has absolutely no bearing on whether Trump is unelectable unless one can equate Trump with Reagan.  So, you're either speaking empty trivialities, or you are in fact equating Trump and Reagan, which simply makes you a liar.

You guys are forgetting that Reagan had won two terms of governor at the time he was running in the GOP primary.

What has Trump ever won? Not even a majority of the GOP primary vote.

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« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2016, 01:45:29 am »
The point is/was....just supply the link if you're going to be too lazy or inconsiderate to the rest of us.    :whistle:

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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2016, 01:49:19 am »

...liar.

Bill, you and I happen to agree about Trump and his electability.  I fear he is not.  But, DCP is not a liar.  If he is wrong, misguided, or whatever - he is just that.  He is not knowingly or intentionally misleading us. 
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« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2016, 01:49:21 am »
If he has serious electability problems why do you GOPers feel it necessary to insult and denigrate Trump and his supporters. Isn't that a waste of time and resources? Why not provide positive policies and accomplish ments of those you support?

 :silly:

I haven't seen one of those in months. Positive stories about their guy. It's attack, attack, attack Trump and his stupid, gullible, goose-stepping supporters. That's their MO.

They know Trump is running away with this and they don't stand a chance to stop him. Otherwise, why would they attack Trump 24/7? I rarely attack the other guy. But, I'm always having to defend my guy: the next president of the United States Donald J Trump.

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Re: Trump Is Unelectable
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2016, 01:54:20 am »

Bravo, and utterly irrelevant.  That the fears that Reagan was unelectable turned out to be unfounded has absolutely no bearing on whether Trump is unelectable unless one can equate Trump with Reagan.  So, you're either speaking empty trivialities, or you are in fact equating Trump and Reagan, which simply makes you a liar.

Gotta agree strongly with Lando here.

DCP is not a liar, and you are wrong to call him one.
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Re: Trump Is Unelectable
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2016, 01:54:35 am »
Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538  Mar 10


Our guess is that Cruz would be leading Trump in delegates had it been a 1-on-1 race from the start. http://53eig.ht/1TPCPq4
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« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2016, 01:55:00 am »
Bill, you and I happen to agree about Trump and his electability.  I fear he is not.  But, DCP is not a liar.  If he is wrong, misguided, or whatever - he is just that.  He is not knowingly or intentionally misleading us. 

Really?  Would disingenuous have a sweeter ring to it?  He says he's not comparing Trump to Reagan, then makes a statement that necessarily implies a comparison of the two (in a way favorable to Trump).  Did he not know that, or is he just being disingenuous about it?

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« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2016, 01:55:27 am »

Bravo, and utterly irrelevant.  That the fears that Reagan was unelectable turned out to be unfounded has absolutely no bearing on whether Trump is unelectable unless one can equate Trump with Reagan.  So, you're either speaking empty trivialities, or you are in fact equating Trump and Reagan, which simply makes you a liar.

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« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2016, 01:56:14 am »

And, he will lose Republicans like me.

He going to lose a lot of Republicans like you, and me.   I'm amazed (and, of course, pleased),  that not one of my Republican work colleagues is supporting Trump.  And this weekend I lobbied my father and nephew hard,  and they're now both singing the same tune as me - this machine kills fascists!   

 
 
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« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2016, 02:00:29 am »
Positive stories about their guy...

ac... you know how I feel.  But, I don't have a guy.  Crazy, isn't it?  And, I have very real concerns about the guy in front.  Ultimately, I don't think he is "the guy".  I can't imagine it.  If I make a comment about issues I have with him, it is just that.  It is the very nature of sucking all the oxygen out of the room, that he becomes the main topic. 

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« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2016, 02:00:58 am »
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i just got thrown out of the trump rally for crime of filming/tweeting. was given choice of jail/arrest or leaving by pbso/staffer. I left


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« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2016, 02:10:46 am »
- OR -

You could just stop calling other members "sots' or "liars".

Yes, I opt for that.
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« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2016, 02:11:28 am »
- OR -

You could just stop calling other members "sots' or "liars".

I will believe this was a just banning when A-Lert is temporarily banned for accusing anyone who disagrees with him as eating "shit sandwiches."
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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2016, 02:12:16 am »
Dear All! I have also been banned. I am posting this to let you all know that i cannot post.

I BLAME TRUMP!!
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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2016, 02:13:16 am »
I will believe this was a just banning when A-Lert is temporarily banned for accusing anyone who disagrees with him as eating "**** sandwiches."

Missed that one myself. 
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« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2016, 02:14:10 am »
I will believe this was a just banning when A-Lert is temporarily banned for accusing anyone who disagrees with him as eating "shit sandwiches."

Shit sandwiches? Are they made with Trump steaks?

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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2016, 02:15:10 am »
Dear All! I have also been banned. I am posting this to let you all know that i cannot post.

I BLAME TRUMP!!

Yes, but you obviously have access to some North Korean hackers who were able to MacGiver the code here so you could get your desperate message out to the rest of us!
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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2016, 02:17:39 am »

He going to lose a lot of Republicans like you, and me.   I'm amazed (and, of course, pleased),  that not one of my Republican work colleagues is supporting Trump.  And this weekend I lobbied my father and nephew hard,  and they're now both singing the same tune as me - this machine kills fascists!   

 
 

Lots of folks I know.......... good, long time Republicans .............. have had it.

Trump is turning them away from politics.  They find him despicable, and feel like they're in the Twilight Zone that so many people have fallen for his lies.

I don't think we'll know the damage Trump has done to Conservatism for a very, very long time.  But one thing I know.......... it's going to be enormous.
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« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2016, 02:19:01 am »
Missed that one myself.

I didn't.  A-Lert is one of two people I have on constant ignore because nothing he says is of value.  And lots of it is just plain ugly.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2016, 02:26:20 am »
Why? Why?

Why would i be banned? Along with the weird figured guy? I did nothing!
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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2016, 02:33:55 am »
Lots of folks I know.......... good, long time Republicans .............. have had it.

Trump is turning them away from politics.  They find him despicable, and feel like they're in the Twilight Zone that so many people have fallen for his lies.

I don't think we'll know the damage Trump has done to Conservatism for a very, very long time.  But one thing I know.......... it's going to be enormous.

Don't despair,  ML.   Cruz is looking more Presidential by contrast.   The other candidates are starting to utter what needs to be said - Trump cannot be supported as the nominee.   

Trump wants to make this 1968 again.  Because I just can't believe he does not remember, I curse him for seeking to unbottle the genie of that annus horribilis.     
 
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