Author Topic: Why I'll Gladly Vote for Trump in November, if it Comes to It (Read 24074 times)

Bigun · « **Reply #125 on:** March 01, 2016, 03:49:02 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on March 01, 2016, 03:28:18 pm

...according to YOUR definition.

We're standing here in our night clothes watching our house (country) burn down. A 3 alarm tragedy.

We've got somebody standing ready with a water pumper and equipment and you won't let him do his work because he may be PRO-CHOICE.

Niiiice.

Donald Trump is, and always has been, a VERY liberal democrat! Can't vote for that and still call yourself a conservative!

DCPatriot · « **Reply #126 on:** March 01, 2016, 03:51:38 pm »

Quote from: Bigun on March 01, 2016, 03:49:02 pm

Donald Trump is, and always has been, a VERY liberal democrat! Can't vote for that and still call yourself a conservative!

LOL!

Maybe a sports analogy will work with you, Earl.

Our nation just got the "2-minute warning"....and you want to pull out Tom Brady and insert Tim Tebow, based upon his strong Conservative principles.

Bigun · « **Reply #127 on:** March 01, 2016, 03:58:28 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on March 01, 2016, 03:51:38 pm

LOL!

Maybe a sports analogy will work with you, Earl.

Our nation just got the "2-minute warning"....and you want to pull out Tom Brady and insert Tim Tebow, based upon his strong Conservative principles.

NOTHING is going to work if it involves trying to make the case that Donald Trump is conservative because it simply is not true!

alicewonders · « **Reply #128 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:37:39 pm »

Quote from: Bigun on March 01, 2016, 03:23:46 pm

Anyone who votes for Donald Trump is not a conservative IMHO!

Really? First time I've ever heard you say that Bigun!

Bigun · « **Reply #129 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:40:45 pm »

Quote from: alicewonders on March 01, 2016, 04:37:39 pm

Really? First time I've ever heard you say that Bigun!

It won't be the last!

aligncare · « **Reply #130 on:** March 01, 2016, 04:52:13 pm »

The salient question is, are Trump's campaign positions conservative?

Border and national security: yes.

Jobs and economic security: yes.

Trade policy: yes.

Foreign policy: yes.

He looks like a conservative to these tired old eyes.

musiclady · « **Reply #131 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:01:05 pm »

Quote from: Bigun on March 01, 2016, 04:40:45 pm

It won't be the last!

The truth never, ever gets old...........

Bill Cipher · « **Reply #132 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:11:34 pm »

Quote from: Bigun on March 01, 2016, 03:23:46 pm

Anyone who votes for Donald Trump is not a conservative IMHO!

Is that in the primaries only or also in the general?

Bigun · « **Reply #133 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:15:52 pm »

Quote from: Bill Cipher on March 01, 2016, 05:11:34 pm

Is that in the primaries only or also in the general?

IMHO it is either!

Meshuge Mikey · « **Reply #134 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:37:09 pm »

Bothc Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders BEAT...Trumoty Dumpty in the LASTEST Head TO Head Polls.

As Trumpty would not be RUNNING AGAINST another "republican".....but the demo du jour.....HE'd LOSE the ELECTION if it were held today!!

Who in the republic hierarchy is gonna let a proven loser RUN????

Jazzhead · « **Reply #135 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:44:52 pm »

Quote from: Meshuge Mikey on March 01, 2016, 05:37:09 pm

Bothc Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders BEAT...Trumoty Dumpty in the LASTEST Head TO Head Polls.

As Trumpty would not be RUNNING AGAINST another "republican".....but the demo du jour.....HE'd LOSE the ELECTION if it were held today!!

Who in the republic hierarchy is gonna let a proven loser RUN????

That's the silver lining - Trumpism will die in November. We will suffer greivously for our foolishness, but the cancer will be excised.

Bill Cipher · « **Reply #136 on:** March 02, 2016, 01:48:38 am »

Quote from: Jazzhead on March 01, 2016, 05:44:52 pm

That's the silver lining - Trumpism will die in November. We will suffer greivously for our foolishness, but the cancer will be excised.

The reaction will be swift and brutal.

Bill Cipher · « **Reply #137 on:** March 02, 2016, 01:50:20 am »

Quote from: Bigun on March 01, 2016, 05:15:52 pm

IMHO it is either!

Aren't the primaries and the general different contexts? In the primaries the point is (one would have thought) to pick the best foot for the party to put forward; the general is about beating the other side with whatever you've got. Voting for Trump in the primaries is reprehensible. Voting for him in a general against Clinton is not.

EasyAce · « **Reply #138 on:** March 02, 2016, 05:02:27 pm »

Quote from: Jazzhead on March 01, 2016, 05:44:52 pm

That's the silver lining - Trumpism will die in November. We will suffer grievously for our foolishness, but the cancer will be excised.

I can see Hilarious Rodent Clinton winning in November . . . and being hit with a Republican Congress in the bargain. Now, if
only such a Republican Congress will remember what the last couple of Republican Congresses forgot, which forgetfulness
is one major reason (among a few) why we've come to this in the first place.

sinkspur · « **Reply #139 on:** March 02, 2016, 05:20:12 pm »

Looming Disaster: GOP donors will not give to a "Trump RNC". Even Donald can't fund the GOP and a general election campaign.

sinkspur · « **Reply #140 on:** March 02, 2016, 05:22:17 pm »

Quote from: aligncare on March 01, 2016, 04:52:13 pm

The salient question is, are Trump's campaign positions conservative?

Border and national security: yes.

Jobs and economic security: yes.

Trade policy: yes.

Foreign policy: yes.

He looks like a conservative to these tired old eyes.

Trade policy? No sane conservative supports tariffs. They destroy jobs and are a direct tax on the poor and middle class.

Foreign policy? Remaining neutral toward Israel is conservative? Not to these tired old eyes.

Jazzhead · « **Reply #141 on:** March 02, 2016, 05:38:04 pm »

Quote from: EasyAce on March 02, 2016, 05:02:27 pm

I can see Hilarious Rodent Clinton winning in November . . . and being hit with a Republican Congress in the bargain. Now, if
only such a Republican Congress will remember what the last couple of Republican Congresses forgot, which forgetfulness
is one major reason (among a few) why we've come to this in the first place.

I'd love to see the RNC or Congressional leaders announce that the party will support any Congressional candidates that want to run against Trumpism. That's sound strategy in many areas of the country, but mostly I want to see created the conditions where Trump bolts and runs as an independent.

This is an existential moment for the GOP - are we the party of limited government and individual liberty, or are we an ethnic nationalist party? That's the root of why so many of us proclaim #NeverTrump - we feel profoundly uncomfortable with a message that we find indistinguishable from racism. Moreover, Trumpism would indeed bring about the Uniparty - a Trump-GOP would be no different than the Democrats in seeking to preserve and expand the entitlement state.

There may a place for an American version of UKIP or the National Front - but not in the GOP.

Bigun · « **Reply #142 on:** March 02, 2016, 07:19:32 pm »

Quote from: Bill Cipher on March 02, 2016, 01:50:20 am

Aren't the primaries and the general different contexts? In the primaries the point is (one would have thought) to pick the best foot for the party to put forward; the general is about beating the other side with whatever you've got. Voting for Trump in the primaries is reprehensible. Voting for him in a general against Clinton is not.

So when I recognize a

running as a Republican I'm supposed to just swallow hard and vote for him anyway?

Meshuge Mikey · « **Reply #143 on:** March 02, 2016, 10:14:23 pm »

this just in Mrs Robinsons Lil boy Jimmy was America First Trump Devotee...back in the 1980'''s

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Bill Cipher · « **Reply #144 on:** March 03, 2016, 02:23:14 am »

Quote from: Bigun on March 02, 2016, 07:19:32 pm

So when I recognize a running as a Republican I'm supposed to just swallow hard and vote for him anyway?

In the primaries, definitely not. In the general, that is something best left to each individual's conscience. Every voter has to do the calculus to decide whether to vote and who to vote for.

Bigun · « **Reply #145 on:** March 03, 2016, 02:37:50 am »

Quote from: Bill Cipher on March 03, 2016, 02:23:14 am

In the primaries, definitely not. In the general, that is something best left to each individual's conscience. Every voter has to do the calculus to decide whether to vote and who to vote for.

Yep! Exactly!

Bill Cipher · « **Reply #146 on:** March 03, 2016, 02:42:27 am »

Quote from: Bigun on March 03, 2016, 02:37:50 am

Yep! Exactly!

I did my calculations and this is the result. Your results may vary.

Bigun · « **Reply #147 on:** March 03, 2016, 03:59:17 am »

Quote from: Bill Cipher on March 03, 2016, 02:42:27 am

I did my calculations and this is the result. Your results may vary.

I did mine as well and they are as reported earlier on this thread.

Bill Cipher · « **Reply #148 on:** March 03, 2016, 04:03:08 am »

Quote from: Bigun on March 03, 2016, 03:59:17 am

I did mine as well and they are as reported earlier on this thread.

Weird Tolkienish Figure · « **Reply #149 on:** March 04, 2016, 07:58:36 am »

As much as I dislike Trump, I often wonder what it would be like for him to tear into people like Hillary or even Bernie?

It might be all we got at this point, and I can't imagine either Kasich, Rubio, or even Cruz being tough enough. The GOP will be fighting not just liberals but also the media. We might need a brawler like Trump.