Why I'll Gladly Vote for Trump in November, if it Comes to It

[musiclady]

The problem with that is that you have NOTHING but your faith in him that he will do anything he says he will do! No different than the millions who bought into "Hope and Change" without knowing ANYTHING about what it meant 8 years ago!

"Making America Great Again" is exactly the same scam as "Hope and Change" was.

It's presenting vague ideals that a lot of people want, but without any evidence of concrete actions based on convictions, that will accomplish it.

Trump has no core.  He has no beliefs that would support his doing anything to actually make America a better place.  Quite the contrary, the methods he has implied he will use will make America far, far worse.

[Bigun]

I'm not trying to put words into your mouth.

I've watched your replies to several members in the last hour and more than once it's plain to see that you're not even digesting the poster's words.

You totally ignore them and simply restate your main general argument.  IOW...you're NOT nterested in listening...only talking/responding.

Show me some EVIDENCE that Trump will do anything he says he will do David and I'll look at it! EVIDENCE not blind faith!

[DCPatriot]

"Making America Great Again" is exactly the same scam as "Hope and Change" was.

It's presenting vague ideals that a lot of people want, but without any evidence of concrete actions based on convictions, that will accomplish it.

Trump has no core.  He has no beliefs that would support his doing anything to actually make America a better place.  Quite the contrary, the methods he has implied he will use will make America far, far worse.

 

[Bigun]

"Making America Great Again" is exactly the same scam as "Hope and Change" was.

It's presenting vague ideals that a lot of people want, but without any evidence of concrete actions based on convictions, that will accomplish it.

Trump has no core.  He has no beliefs that would support his doing anything to actually make America a better place.  Quite the contrary, the methods he has implied he will use will make America far, far worse.

EXACTLY right!   

[aligncare]

The problem with that is that you have NOTHING but your faith in him that he will do anything he says he will do! No different than the millions who bought into "Hope and Change" without knowing ANYTHING about what it meant 8 years ago!

You are dead wrong, Bigun. Donald Trump has a reputation in the business community for doing exactly what he says he will do, usually on time and on budget.

A businessman in his position--someone who builds 100-story skyscrapers--wouldn't last a year in business if he didn't follow through on his word. No one would.

[musiclady]

 

Yeah.............. except they actually meant what they said because Reagan had a core.  Reagan knew the Constitution.  Reagan had integrity.

BIG difference, my friend!

[Bigun]

You are dead wrong, Bigun. Donald Trump has a reputation in the business community for doing exactly what he says he will do, usually on time and on budget.

A businessman in his position--someone who builds 100-story skyscrapers--wouldn't last a year in business if he didn't follow through on his word. No one would.

Two different worlds I'm afraid! Or should I just ask do you mean like hiring illegal Polish labor and then trying to stiff them?

[Bigun]

Yeah.............. except they actually meant what they said because Reagan had a core.  Reagan knew the Constitution.  Reagan had integrity.

BIG difference, my friend!

And they DID NOT run simply on spouting a slogan! There was actual MEAT in what they proposed to do! Comparing Trump to Reagan is an insult to those of us who were THERE at the time!

[DCPatriot]

Yeah.............. except they actually meant what they said because Reagan had a core.  Reagan knew the Constitution.  Reagan had integrity.

BIG difference, my friend!

IOW, your personal dislike of Donald Trump has clouded your judgment as to the effectiveness of "Make America Great Again".

Because Trump is using it...the slogan by itself is a sham (your original contention)

 

[musiclady]

IOW, your personal dislike of Donald Trump has clouded your judgment as to the effectiveness of "Make America Great Again".

Because Trump is using it...the slogan by itself is a sham (your original contention)

 

The slogan, used by someone who wants to make himself great, IS a sham.

Perhaps we can turn around your words and say, because of your personal admiration for Trump, your judgment is clouded about who he really is.

More accurate, methinks.........

[musiclady]

And they DID NOT run simply on spouting a slogan! There was actual MEAT in what they proposed to do! Comparing Trump to Reagan is an insult to those of us who were THERE at the time!

Absolutely!!  One was a slogan based on the reality of political depth and ideas, and the other a copycat slogan based on air.

[aligncare]

Two different worlds I'm afraid! Or should I just ask do you mean like hiring illegal Polish labor and then trying to stiff them?

Trump didn't hire those Polish illegals 38 years ago. They were hired by a subcontractor who was responsible for demolishing the old structure that stood where the new building would go up. Trump wasn't fined; the subcontractor was.

Just more political noise having zero impact on Trump's continued popularity and support.

But keep throwing up flak. Trump is right over the target.

[DCPatriot]

The slogan, used by someone who wants to make himself great, IS a sham.

Perhaps we can turn around your words and say, because of your personal admiration for Trump, your judgment is clouded about who he really is.

More accurate, methinks.........

No...the issue we were discussing was whether the words "Make America Great Again" is a sham, like "Hope and Change"

[Scottftlc]

I would be very concerned about trusting my revolution to someone who has been on both sides of every important issue of the day.

How do you really think you can trust him?  He's never exhibited any integrity, nor given any reason to believe what he says.

If you watch or listen to his own words, you have to know that he's at best two-faced, and at worst, pulling the biggest scam ever made in American politics.

And I'm including the Obama scam of 2008.........

We should know by now not to trust anyone running for office.  You make your best assessment and vote that way.  I voted twice for George W. Bush, am I happy with him?...no, I think he was a particularly disastrous president, yet even in hindsight I'd have to vote for him again (in the general election) given the options.  You don't ever end up with a perfect situation, sometimes (like how I think of Bush now) you don't even end up with what you consider an acceptable situation.  You do the best you can. For me, it is not hard, the Republican Party has been a complete disaster for decades, I will enlist in the revolt against what it has become.  If that revolt fails, I will vote for the nominee.

[Scottftlc]

The problem with that is that you have NOTHING but your faith in him that he will do anything he says he will do! No different than the millions who bought into "Hope and Change" without knowing ANYTHING about what it meant 8 years ago!

That's all I ever have.  I had faith in George W. Bush and it was cast into the garbage heap as well.  Still, in the general election I had no options, I'd have to do it again even knowing that I now consider him a complete disaster.  In politics, rarely do you get what you want.  You make the best choice you can with your vote considering how you view things.

[Bill Cipher]

No one's "forcing" you to vote! (nice red herring there)  You are perfectly free to do what you want - just as I am perfectly free to criticize those here who are openly promoting a Hillary victory by either voting FOR her - or by a lame "protest" vote/non vote that will only help HER.  That's the math there (and it ain't common core math). 

I will criticize ANY of you that would say it would be better for Hillary to win than Trump!  That is a vile and disgusting thing to promote - as you puff your chest out (I'm not talking about YOU - Bill, as you have already said you would vote for the nominee) in sanctimonious moral superiority to those of us who will vote for the Republican nominee - whoever that turns out to be!

Words cannot convey the disgust that I feel about this phenomenon I am seeing here right now.    Utterly shameful! 

I simply do not understand you.  The language I was referring to said that it was wrong to not vote because it was disrespectful of the people who fought and died.  Saying that is saying that it's morally necessary for people to vote.  That gets closer and closer to saying its ok to force people to vote.  And that forcing is what would really be disrespectful to those who died for our freedoms.

Now that seems to be the same thing you're saying, so I really don't understand why you're going off on me.

[Bill Cipher]

No...the issue we were discussing was whether the words "Make America Great Again" is a sham, like "Hope and Change"

Isn't any catchy little phrase essentially meaningless by itself?  Isn't what matters the substance that is supposed to be standing behind the slogan?  So shouldn't one weigh based on the substance of the person standing behind the slogan?  A rose by any other name would smell as sweet (or not).  The problem with "Hope and Change" is that there never was any substance behind it, just more and more vacuities, one after the other, leading up to Obama himself, who also didn't demonstrate anything of real substance, just words and slogans not backed up by any real action or track record.

[Sanguine]

We should know by now not to trust anyone running for office.  You make your best assessment and vote that way.  I voted twice for George W. Bush, am I happy with him?...no, I think he was a particularly disastrous president, yet even in hindsight I'd have to vote for him again (in the general election) given the options. You don't ever end up with a perfect situation, sometimes (like how I think of Bush now) you don't even end up with what you consider an acceptable situation.  You do the best you can. For me, it is not hard, the Republican Party has been a complete disaster for decades, I will enlist in the revolt against what it has become.  If that revolt fails, I will vote for the nominee.

And, that's the nub.  We are tired of getting crappy choices.  I don't want to choose between the devil and his first lieutenant. 

[EC]

And, that's the nub.  We are tired of getting crappy choices.  I don't want to choose between the devil and his first lieutenant.

Pick the devil. The devil's first lieutenant is ambitious to do some shoe filling and enlarging.

Look at military coups - always run by Colonels. Never by Generals. 

[Bigun]

Anyone who votes for Donald Trump is not a conservative IMHO!

[DCPatriot]

Anyone who votes for Donald Trump is not a conservative IMHO!

...according to YOUR definition.   

We're standing here in our night clothes watching our house (country) burn down.  A 3 alarm tragedy.

We've got somebody standing ready with a water pumper and equipment and you won't let him do his work because he may be PRO-CHOICE.

Niiiice.

[musiclady]

...according to YOUR definition.   

We're standing here in our night clothes watching our house (country) burn down.  A 3 alarm tragedy.

We've got somebody standing ready with a water pumper and equipment and you won't let him do his work because he may be PRO-CHOICE.

Niiiice.

If abortion were the only area where Trump is liberal, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is.

In fact, he's not conservative at all, and therein lies the rub.

[aligncare]

...according to YOUR definition.   

We're standing here in our night clothes watching our house (country) burn down.  A 3 alarm tragedy.

We've got somebody standing ready with a water pumper and equipment and you won't let him do his work because he may be PRO-CHOICE.

Niiiice.

Except Donald Trump is not pro-choice. Like so many people, Trump had a conversion. Those are the best kind of prolifers. Those who've been impacted by a personal experience.

[musiclady]

Except Donald Trump is not pro-choice. Like so many people, Trump had a conversion. Those are the best kind of prolifers. Those who've been impacted by a personal experience.

"I am completely pro-choice." - Donald Trump


(NO pro-life person supports Planned Parenthood.  NONE).

[DCPatriot]

If abortion were the only area where Trump is liberal, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is.

In fact, he's not conservative at all, and therein lies the rub.

I only used 'abortion' as an example of Social Conservative issues....those issues that are constantly a wrench in Republican election gears.

SOCONS are the bane of existence for the success of the Republican Party....if only for their inability to market ideas and convince people to change.

If Donald Trump loses to Hillary Clinton, folks, pack the car and run for the hills.  Literally.