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Sanders overtakes Clinton in Colorado: poll
« on: February 19, 2016, 06:51:11 pm »
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269995-sanders-overtakes-hillary-in-colorado-poll

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Bernie Sanders has erased a double-digit deficit and pulled ahead of Hillary Clinton in Colorado, according to a Washington Free Beacon poll of voters released on Friday. Sanders wins 49 percent support compared to Clinton’s 43 percent in the poll.
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Re: Sanders overtakes Clinton in Colorado: poll
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2016, 06:53:18 pm »
Go Bernie go!

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Re: Sanders overtakes Clinton in Colorado: poll
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2016, 06:57:55 pm »
Go Bernie go!

Do you think any of the top Republicans can defeat Bernie?

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Re: Sanders overtakes Clinton in Colorado: poll
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2016, 07:03:50 pm »
Sanders is still way behind in name recognition. If he wins the nomination his exposure and popularity are going to explode. It's time for the Republicans to stop underestimating him.
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Re: Sanders overtakes Clinton in Colorado: poll
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2016, 07:12:27 pm »
Sanders is still way behind in name recognition. If he wins the nomination his exposure and popularity are going to explode. It's time for the Republicans to stop underestimating him.
A few days ago I posted numerous times, that contemporary conservatives seem to be either incapable or not interested in explaining free market capitalism.

Things which I studied and learned during the 1970s were common topics which people discussed. We had then-present examples. East versus West Germany, No. versus So. Korea. Cuba, etc.

Of course we also had a population that had institutional memory of WWII, the Cold War, etc.

Today we have entitlements takers. They have no idea where the means come from for their stuff. They are told big companies are evil, but they expect the products made by those companies.

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Re: Sanders overtakes Clinton in Colorado: poll
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2016, 07:14:30 pm »
Sanders is still way behind in name recognition. If he wins the nomination his exposure and popularity are going to explode. It's time for the Republicans to stop underestimating him.

Agreed.  He will make a more formidable opponent than Clinton.
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Re: Sanders overtakes Clinton in Colorado: poll
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2016, 07:45:11 pm »
A few days ago I posted numerous times, that contemporary conservatives seem to be either incapable or not interested in explaining free market capitalism.

Things which I studied and learned during the 1970s were common topics which people discussed. We had then-present examples. East versus West Germany, No. versus So. Korea. Cuba, etc.

Of course we also had a population that had institutional memory of WWII, the Cold War, etc.

Today we have entitlements takers. They have no idea where the means come from for their stuff. They are told big companies are evil, but they expect the products made by those companies.

The fall of the Berlin Wall, the fall of communism in Russia and China adopting a capitalist-form economy are the main reasons why socialism is now attractive and acceptable in the United States.  In fact, one could easily say that communism's failure in the late 20th century may be the key to establishing world-wide socialism in the 21st.  Once socialism is established - even in the relatively "mixed" manner we find it in America today - it is impossible to back it up short of complete economic and social collapse.
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2016, 07:59:34 pm »
Go Bernie go!

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Furthermore His mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries!
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2016, 08:05:25 pm »
Do you think any of the top Republicans can defeat Bernie?

If the Republican Party cannot defeat a geriatric Brooklyn socialist who dresses like an unmade bed and whose platform includes 90 percent income tax rates and nearly $20 trillion in new Federal spending - an amount exceeding our annual GDP - then they ought to disband.
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Re: Sanders overtakes Clinton in Colorado: poll
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2016, 08:27:59 pm »
The fall of the Berlin Wall, the fall of communism in Russia and China adopting a capitalist-form economy are the main reasons why socialism is now attractive and acceptable in the United States.  In fact, one could easily say that communism's failure in the late 20th century may be the key to establishing world-wide socialism in the 21st.  Once socialism is established - even in the relatively "mixed" manner we find it in America today - it is impossible to back it up short of complete economic and social collapse.

That is very profound analysis. In the 2nd half of the 19th century 25% of Sweden's, Norway's populations moved to America, because the countries were economic-social basket cases. (They were a single country at the time, btw).

They came for economic prosperity and religious freedom. Their Lutheran church was effectively the state church. Official birth, marriage, baptism, death records were maintained by the church. Families would be visited by the parish preacher, to check their Bible proficiency. They resented it.

Today they are modern, prosperous, and gaining people, not losing people. Like the US.

It is highly doubtful anybody can make the clock go backwards.
 
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Re: Sanders overtakes Clinton in Colorado: poll
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2016, 10:17:28 pm »
Do you think any of the top Republicans can defeat Bernie?

I wrote "Go Bernie Go!"  What makes you think I would want to defeat him?   :silly:

I think if the Millennials haven't yet learned their lesson from OPapaDoc, then let them learn from Mr. Sanders that Socialism is the elixir that guarantees wealth separation and the creation of a permanent underclass, not capitalism.  The hollowing out of the middle class in the USA is directly correlated to the increase in federal control over our economy, yet the Millennials have somehow deluded themselves into believing the opposite.  They embrace FDR, the last socialist dictator we had.  No one seems to notice his depression lasted better than a decade.

Millennials must live with the consequences, not me.  Let them have Bernie if that is what they want.  It's their future. 
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2016, 11:43:44 pm »
Bernie plan is actually brilliant.  His supporters are people that have no money and he has conned them into giving money to his campaign (a Man, who by-the-way is someone who has never 'earned' any money in his life) so that he can get elected president and give other peoples money to those who have no money.


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Re: Sanders overtakes Clinton in Colorado: poll
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2016, 01:34:59 am »
Andy wrote above:
"If the Republican Party cannot defeat a geriatric Brooklyn socialist who dresses like an unmade bed and whose platform includes 90 percent income tax rates and nearly $20 trillion in new Federal spending - an amount exceeding our annual GDP - then they ought to disband."

This could in fact happen.

As unpredictable as Donald Trump's rise has been (running as a third party candidate, nominally Republican), the same can be said about Bernie (running as a socialist, nominally democrat).

If both of them win their respective nominations, things could go either way.

If Bernie goes on to win, it won't hurt the democrats at all, because an increasingly large number of them are openly socialistic or closet communists today.

But it's going to be tough on the Pubbies regardless of the winner.

If it's Bernie, as you said above -- if the Republicans don't have the electoral horsepower to win against a faux-communist, they're finished as a national political force (and I say that regardless of the fact that the majority of state governments are currently dominated by Republican majorities).

If Trump wins, the old-boy Pubbies are in just as much trouble. Even with their do-nothing majorities in Congress, they may be unable -- or, more likely, unwilling -- to work with a President Trump, largely out of spite.

A bleak future, down both forks of the road...

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Re: Sanders overtakes Clinton in Colorado: poll
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2016, 01:38:57 am »
Bernie plan is actually brilliant.  His supporters are people that have no money and he has conned them into giving money to his campaign (a Man, who by-the-way is someone who has never 'earned' any money in his life) so that he can get elected president and give other peoples money to those who have no money.
I know several highly educated people in their 50s and 60s that are fully self-supporting, lead moderate lifestyles. They are way past due with stale Republicanisms, Enrons, real estate market crash, stock market crash, low taxes on hedge funds, ad infinitum.
 
If he wins the nomination I think Sanders could win, because Republicans have rested on their laurels for far too long.

Republicans don't bother to make economic arguments. They say lower taxes make "all boats rise," yet the middle and lower classes are loosing ground while the rich benefit from tax cuts.

I will vote for the Republican, but I am disappointed in the party, and their candidates.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2016, 01:43:16 am »
If Sanders wins Nevada and comes close in SC, Michael Bloomberg will jump in on March 1, a deadline to get on ballots in several states.

Then, all bets are off.  He's worth $50 billion, can outspend both major parties, and will split the baby between the two.

Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2016, 01:50:26 am »
If Sanders wins Nevada and comes close in SC, Michael Bloomberg will jump in on March 1, a deadline to get on ballots in several states.

Then, all bets are off.  He's worth $50 billion, can outspend both major parties, and will split the baby between the two.

Sink...  In a battle of the Big Gulp VS Mr. Free Shit.....  The large sugary drink (with all the money)..... will lose its fizz..

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2016, 02:04:29 am »
Bloomberg has no natural constituency outside of NYC.

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2016, 02:08:25 am »
Bloomberg has no natural constituency outside of NYC.

He would draw in every voter who dislikes both Sanders and Trump.  There are a helluva lot of those.
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2016, 02:11:45 am »
Sink...  In a battle of the Big Gulp VS Mr. Free Shit.....  The large sugary drink (with all the money)..... will lose its fizz..

Bloomberg is slicker than Sanders, has beaucoup money, and will run on his New York record, which was pretty good.  "Stop and frisk" was a Bloomberg policy.

Yes, he's got some control issues, but look at who he's running against.  He'd fit right in.
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2016, 02:17:07 am »
He would draw in every voter who dislikes both Sanders and Trump.  There are a helluva lot of those.

That is simply incorrect. He will not, for example draw Cruz voters, particularly in fly-over country. Those voters, it could be argued, might stay home in larger numbers than usual but they will not migrate to Bloomberg.  Bloomberg's fertile ground will be Hillary voters and few others.
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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2016, 02:19:36 am »
That is simply incorrect. He will not, for example draw Cruz voters, particularly in fly-over country. Those voters, it could be argued, might stay home in larger numbers than usual but they will not migrate to Bloomberg.  Bloomberg's fertile ground will be Hillary voters and few others.

This is not your mama's election year.  We'll see.
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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2016, 02:21:57 am »
This is not your mama's election year.  We'll see.

You are, almost understatedly, correct on that.
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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2016, 02:39:11 am »
Bloomberg is slicker than Sanders, has beaucoup money, and will run on his New York record, which was pretty good.  "Stop and frisk" was a Bloomberg policy.

Yes, he's got some control issues, but look at who he's running against.  He'd fit right in.

I ain't seeing it.  But hell, this one mixed up crazy world.

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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2016, 04:00:04 am »
He would draw in every voter who dislikes both Sanders and Trump.  There are a helluva lot of those.

That's right - he can create his own constituency,  from those who view the choice as an unacceptable one between a quasi-fascist and a socialist.   The polling I've seen suggests that he'd actually help Trump quite a bit.     
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2016, 06:51:21 am »
Bernie plan is actually brilliant.  His supporters are people that have no money and he has conned them into giving money to his campaign (a Man, who by-the-way is someone who has never 'earned' any money in his life) so that he can get elected president and give other peoples money to those who have no money.

"That’s because Sanders' biggest source of fundraising support comes from the retired or unemployed, according to filings with the Federal Election Commission, as reported by Bloomberg.

$16 million of the $73 million the candidate raised in 2015 came from individual donors who said they were without jobs, according to the report.

This group of people has good reason to support the Vermont Senator. He is proposing to expand Social Security, to the tune of $65 more per month on average, financed by raising payroll taxes on wealthy wage earnings. He’s also vowed to get the unemployed working again through a $1 trillion infrastructure plan the campaign says will create 13 million “good-paying” jobs."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/bernie-sanders-has-raised-dollar16-million-from-the-unemployed/ar-BBpHvIn?ocid=spartanntp
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