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“I support walls and fencing where it’s appropriate,” Bush said Thursday after the mini-holy war erupted.



Pope Francis Declares Donald Trump ‘Not Christian’ VS Trump 'You Have No Right'

 A pair of Catholic presidential hopefuls say Pope Francis should stick to saving souls and leave Donald Trump alone.

GOP candidates Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush sided with The Donald over the pontiff after the Pope said Trump was “not Christian” if he wants to build a wall along the Mexican-U.S. border.

“I support walls and fencing where it’s appropriate,” Bush said Thursday after the mini-holy war erupted.

 “I think it’s OK to get my guidance as a Catholic from the Pope,” Bush continued. “But certainly not economic policy or environmental policy.”

Rubio, a fellow Republican and Catholic, said the United States only wants the same final say on people crossing its borders as Vatican City officials enjoy.

“Vatican City controls who comes in, when they come in, and how they come in as a city-state, and as a result the United States has a right to do that as well,” said Rubio.

 Rubio leavened his remarks by expressing his “tremendous respect and admiration” for the Pope.

Mayor de Blasio quickly hailed Pope Francis’ comments, made as he flew back to the Vatican after a visit to Mexico.

 Trump “is all about building walls between people while @Pontifex works to heal age-old divisions,” the mayor tweeted. “@Pontifex calls for compassion for immigrants and respect for all humanity while (Trump) denigrates women, Mexicans, Muslims.”

Trump backer Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University, suggested the Pope went too far by weighing in on Mexican immigration.

“Jesus never intended to give instructions to political leaders on how to run a country,” Mr. Falwell said on CNN.

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Trump backer Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University, suggested the Pope went too far by weighing in on Mexican immigration.

“Jesus never intended to give instructions to political leaders on how to run a country,” Mr. Falwell said on CNN.

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Pope Francis, as you may have heard, visited the drug and violence-plagued city of Juarez yesterday. A place where hundreds of  women have fallen prey to the sadistic whims of Mexican drug cartels-often with the complicity of corrupt public institutions.  Leaving aside the loathsome presence of pederast-enabler Roger Mahoney-who, like much of the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic church in this country, has managed to escape criminal prosecution for his misdeeds-one of the most remarkable aspects of his trip is the way it has been framed by the mainstream media. Namely, as an ideological battle between the head of the Catholic Church and the leading Republican presidential candidate.

As if you need to be a Trump supporter in order to reject the dogma of open borders, or be unpersuaded by the facile arguments put forward by proponents of unfettered immigration to the United States. Compassion is not the exclusive preserve of anti-borders activists, and the the notion that it’s mean-spirited to want rational immigration policies which defend American interests is viscerally offensive. The disastrous results of this failed experiment are manifest for anyone willing to honestly examine the subject, and no sanctimonious lectures from religious authorities is going to change that.

A large part of the blame for this untenable situation lies at the feet of the American government, but Mexico is also responsible for its role in this debacle, including its refusal to offer asylum to desperate refugees fleeing Central American nations to its south. However, the inescapable fact is that however we apportion blame there is no reason we should compromise American sovereignty in order to placate foreign heads of state, whether secular or ecclesiastical. That is a message that needs to be driven home this election year, both domestically and abroad.

http://american-rattlesnake.org/2016/02/the-pope-vs-the-united-states/
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Pope Frank is generally a dim bulb and all around worthless person. He diminish the position of Pope much like Zero does as President. Fortunately the position of Pope is greater than any one man and this insane activism will eventually end.

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Trump backer Jerry Falwell Jr., the president of Liberty University, suggested the Pope went too far by weighing in on Mexican immigration.

“Jesus never intended to give instructions to political leaders on how to run a country,” Mr. Falwell said on CNN.


If the Gospel doesn't inform and form the way we live our lives, including political lives, what the hell good is it?
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Pope Frank is generally a dim bulb and all around worthless person. He diminish the position of Pope much like Zero does as President. Fortunately the position of Pope is greater than any one man and this insane activism will eventually end.

I could not disagree more with every assertion that you make.
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If the Gospel doesn't inform and form the way we live our lives, including political lives, what the hell good is it?

On that we ENTIRELY agree!

It's a good thing the Pope doesn't pay taxes in this country or he would have put the Catholic Church in jeopardy of losing it's tax exempt status today.
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First many many moons ago the supreme Court became politically tainted, and now the Pope!!!!
I am furious!
Who is the Pope to question anyone's Christianity??????
His job is to move people to Christ, not to determine if one is Christian or Christian enough!
This Pope is only a political tool!  He is the Vatican's Obama!

One has to wonder(who) not what caused Pope Benedict to step down!  He was not into our politics.


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On that we ENTIRELY agree!

It's a good thing the Pope doesn't pay taxes in this country or he would have put the Catholic Church in jeopardy of losing it's tax exempt status today.

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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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First many many moons ago the supreme Court became politically tainted, and now the Pope!!!!
I am furious!
Who is the Pope to question anyone's Christianity??????
His job is to move people to Christ, not to determine if one is Christian or Christian enough!
This Pope is only a political tool!  He is the Vatican's Obama!

One has to wonder(who) not what caused Pope Benedict to step down!  He was not into our politics.

Do you doubt Jesus would be preaching the same thing?  Surely you don't.

He was about breaking up the political order of the day, and had a preferential attitude toward the poor, the immigrant, the sick.

I don't agree that putting up a fence is a bad thing or that it makes a person a bad Christian.  But Trump couldn't rise above the Pope's statements and just say "I disagree."  He would have looked a helluva lot more magnanimous than he does now.

But Trump is not about magnanimity and graciousness.  It's always a fight with him.
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First many many moons ago the supreme Court became politically tainted, and now the Pope!!!!
I am furious!
Who is the Pope to question anyone's Christianity??????
His job is to move people to Christ, not to determine if one is Christian or Christian enough!
This Pope is only a political tool!  He is the Vatican's Obama!

One has to wonder(who) not what caused Pope Benedict to step down!  He was not into our politics.

Benedict was tired.  I don't think he wanted to be Pope in the first place.  He's an academic.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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First many many moons ago the supreme Court became politically tainted, and now the Pope!!!!
I am furious!
Who is the Pope to question anyone's Christianity??????
His job is to move people to Christ, not to determine if one is Christian or Christian enough!
This Pope is only a political tool!  He is the Vatican's Obama!

One has to wonder(who) not what caused Pope Benedict to step down!  He was not into our politics.

I question that as well!  WHO?

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First many many moons ago the supreme Court became politically tainted, and now the Pope!!!!
I am furious!
Who is the Pope to question anyone's Christianity??????
His job is to move people to Christ, not to determine if one is Christian or Christian enough!
This Pope is only a political tool!  He is the Vatican's Obama!

One has to wonder(who) not what caused Pope Benedict to step down!  He was not into our politics.

The Pope, according to Catholicism, speaks the Lord's word.  Furthermore, he cannot be wrong (papal infallibility).
And historically, the Pope *WAS* the one to determine who was/was not Catholic.  Hence the split between Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox and the Protestant/Catholic wars of the 1600's.


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The left wing media would like nothing better than for our candidates, one or all to get in a spat with the pope. Don't do it. Just let it go.
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The Pope, according to Catholicism, speaks the Lord's word.  Furthermore, he cannot be wrong (papal infallibility).
And historically, the Pope *WAS* the one to determine who was/was not Catholic.  Hence the split between Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox and the Protestant/Catholic wars of the 1600's.

The Pope is only infallible when he is speaking on faith and morals. That is exercised very rarely, and has only been done twice in recent history:  the doctrine of Mary's Assumption into heaven in 1950 and John Paul's declaration in 1995 that the priesthood is only open to males.

Otherwise, the Pope's words are to be taken seriously but he is not above criticism or disagreement.

The split between the Western Church and Orthodoxy in 1054 was caused by the Filioque controversy, overtly--that is, does the Holy Spirit proceed from the unity of the Father and the Son as the West maintained or from the Father THROUGH the Son as the Eastern Church maintained--but covertly by the papal question.  The Eastern patriarch had come to be viewed as a "co-Pope" by the Oriental Church, but the Pope insisted on the primacy of the Petrine ministry.  THAT is what caused the split.

The Pope rarely exercises infallibility and usually only does so in union with the bishops of the world.
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Trump and a lot of people in this forum are not Catholic and the Pope has  no right to question our Christianity...Only judgement comes from God not mortal man Pope or not!

I found what the Pope said personally offensive!!!!!!!

As some here know I am a Baptist married to a Catholic
And have attended Sat mass since I got married in 2003.
Until today, I have been praying abt converting to Catholicism.
Today I realized...........since I have my own direct link with God thru Christ, I don't need
This Pope to determine my Christianity!





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Trump and a lot of people in this forum are not Catholic and the Pope has  no right to question our Christianity...Only judgement comes from God not mortal man Pope or not!

I found what the Pope said personally offensive!!!!!!!

As some here know I am a Baptist married to a Catholic
And have attended Sat mass since I got married in 2003.
Until today, I have been praying abt converting to Catholicism.
Today I realized...........since I have my own direct link with God thru Christ, I don't need
This Pope to determine my Christianity!

You are overreacting.  The Pope is not determining anybody's Christianity.
He's stating Gospel truths, even though unpopular, and unfortunately
Raised the ire of Trump
And we all KNOW Trump can't be wrong
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You are overreacting.  The Pope is not determining anybody's Christianity.
He's stating Gospel truths, even though unpopular, and unfortunately
Raised the ire of Trump
And we all KNOW Trump can't be wrong

I am for a wall too, so according to the Pope I am not Christian!


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Left-Wing Radicalism in the Church: CCHD and ACORN

Monday Oct 26, 2009 3:01 AM

It must have been a sad day at the offices of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development (CCHD) in Washington, D.C., last year when the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) announced that its temporary suspension of funding for the embattled radical group ACORN was being made permanent. Each November around Thanksgiving, every Roman Catholic parish takes up a collection for the non-profit campaign.

CCHD is the grant-making arm of USCCB, which acts on behalf of the nation’s Roman Catholic bishops, a group widely assumed to be conservative defenders of traditional morality. However, CCHD and ACORN share a left-wing ideology that puts a premium on aggressive community organizing.

Alinsky Roots

It is an error to think of CCHD as an ordinary charity. In fact, it is an extreme left-wing political organization whose ties stretch back to the “father” of community organizing himself, Saul Alinsky, and to Barack Obama in his community-organizing days in Chicago.

And unbeknownst to most Catholics, almost no CCHD grants actually provide direct relief to the poor.

CCHD cut off ACORN after channeling $7.3 million of parishioners’ money to the group over the last decade. Bishops came under intense pressure from conservative Catholics outraged by reports of gross legal and ethical improprieties involving ACORN.

Radical Goals

While CCHD poses as a mainstream Christian charity trying to help the poor, it uses left-wing euphemisms in its mission statement. It seeks to address “the root causes of poverty in America through promotion and support of community-controlled, self-help organizations and through transformative education.”

“Root causes of poverty” is Marxist-speak meaning “capitalism is bad.”

Not surprisingly, rather than helping the poor, CCHD merely channels funds towards Alinsky-inspired poverty groups.

Funding the Radical Left and Community Organizers

Almost all of the grants CCHD has distributed over the years have gone to ACORN-like groups for political activities and community organizing — and many of those groups have been founded or are run by Catholic priests.

Here are some select recipients of CCHD grants:

*Alinsky’s Industrial Areas Foundation, the mother of all community-organizing networks with dozens of affiliates nationwide (and affiliates in Canada, Germany, and the United Kingdom), has received plenty of money over the years from CCHD. Alinsky referred to its training institute as a “school for professional radicals.” Ex-seminarian Edward T. Chambers has run it since Alinsky’s death in 1972.

*The Midwest Academy has been funded by CCHD. IAF trained Heather Booth, the founder of several activist-training academies, including the Midwest Academy, Citizen Action and USAction. Her husband is Paul Booth, a founder and former national secretary of the radical revolutionary group Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). He is now an aide to Gerald McEntee, president of the powerful public-sector union AFSCME. According to the David Horowitz Freedom Center, the Alinsky-inspired Midwest Academy teaches “radical activists tactics of direct action, targeting, confrontation, and intimidation.”

*People Improving Communities Through Organizing (PICO), was founded in 1972 by Father John Baumann, a Jesuit priest trained in Alinsky’s techniques. It claims to have 53 affiliates in 17 states. Also known as the PICO National Network, its stated mission is to “increase access to healthcare, improve public schools, make neighborhoods safer, build affordable housing, redevelop communities, and revitalize democracy.” PICO also says, “We need to insure that new Americans are welcomed and not exploited.”

*Direct Action and Research Training Institute (DART) was created in 1982. It boasts 20 locally affiliated organizations in six states and claims to have trained more than 10,000 community leaders and 150 professional community organizers. Academic David Walls wrote that it “practices strictly congregation-based community organization [and]… conducts five-day orientation trainings for community leaders and has a four-month training program for organizers.”

*Gamaliel Foundation, founded in 1968 in Chicago, says its mission is “to be a powerful network of grass-roots, interfaith, interracial, multi-issue organizations working together to create a more just and more democratic society.” Its executive director is Gregory Galluzzo, a former Jesuit priest. It is “refocusing its efforts on wider metropolitan areas and assessing how to impact national policy on immigration reform,” Walls writes. Gamaliel claims 60 affiliates in 21 states, as well as affiliates in the United Kingdom and South Africa. The group claims to represent more than one million people. Gamaliel brags on its website about its connection to President Obama. Obama worked for the Developing Communities Project, which was a spinoff of the Calumet Community Religious Conference, itself a creation of several Chicago area Catholic churches.

The Obama Connection

It has not been widely reported that CCHD has a longtime friend in the White House. According to The Catholic Case for Obama, published by a group called Catholic Democrats, Barack Obama “received support in his community-organizing work for Chicago from the Archdiocese of Chicago and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops through the Campaign for Human Development.” Candidate Obama himself acknowledged CCHD’s importance to his early career in community organizing in an interview with Catholic Digest: “I got my start as a community organizer working with mostly Catholic parishes on the Southside of Chicago that were struggling because the steel plants had closed. The Campaign for Human Development helped fund the project and so, very early on, my career was intertwined with the belief in social justice that is so strong in the Church.”

From 1985 to 1988 Obama ran the CCHD-funded Developing Communities Project (DCP) from an office located in Chicago’s Holy Rosary Church.

The Alinsky Connection

CCHD has long supported groups such as ACORN that engage in left-wing community organizing. In fact, it was created specifically to do so.

Former Treasury Secretary William E. Simon, a prominent Catholic layman complained in the late 1980s that CCHD was a “funding mechanism for radical left-wing political activism in the United States, rather than for traditional types of charities.”

Catholic writer Paul Likoudis observes that CCHD could be considered “a political mechanism bonding the American Church to the welfare state.”

According to Likoudis CCHD was created in Alinsky’s twilight years specifically to serve as a permanent funding mechanism for his Industrial Areas Foundation.

CCHD’s connection with Alinsky was clarified in a March 2002 article in Social Policy, published by ACORN’s American Institute for Social Justice. While organizing in Chicago, Alinsky gained many Catholic allies. He began working in 1938 with local leaders to combat juvenile delinquency. Alinsky teamed up with Catholic activist Joseph Meegan, who ran a local recreation facility, to create the Back of the Yards Neighborhood Council.

“Among friends, he could be openly contemptuous about not only Catholic rituals but religious rituals in general,” wrote Alinsky biographer Sanford Horwitt. But despite his atheism, Alinsky found common cause with religious leaders on political matters.

Alinsky concentrated his efforts on unions, while Meegan focused on churches and community groups. Meegan helped Alinsky ingratiate himself with the Chicago Archdiocese. His brother, Monsignor Peter Meegan, served as Bishop Bernard Sheil’s secretary.

Over time Alinsky’s organizing efforts in the Back of the Yards in the Southwest Side of Chicago, gained the support of Sheil, a liberal who founded the national Catholic Youth Organization. Alinsky also worked with Jack Egan, a student at Chicago’s Mundelein Seminary, who later became a crusading left-wing priest.

Monsignor Egan became an important Alinsky ally and a member of the board of Alinsky’s IAF. Later he played a significant role in the creation of CCHD and the Catholic Committee on Urban Ministry (CCUM).

Churches are fertile ground for organizing angry and alienated people, a point not lost on CCHD and ACORN.

What Made the Bishops De-Fund ACORN?

1. Embezzlement

The embezzlement that led Morin to announce Catholics would no longer be making Thanksgiving-time contributions to ACORN organizations took place around 2000. The basic facts of the crime are not in dispute.

Dale Rathke, brother of ACORN founder Wade Rathke, stole $948,000 from the ACORN network. When it was discovered, ACORN leaders refused to contact law enforcement officials.

Wade Rathke, who had covered up his brother’s action for eight years, called it a “misappropriation,” and his senior colleagues at ACORN allowed the Rathke family to quietly and privately pay restitution. Throughout the eight years of the cover-up, Rathke kept his brother on the payroll as his $38,000 a year “assistant” at ACORN headquarters.

Dale Rathke had previously served as a senior official at Citizens Consulting Inc. (CCI), the shadowy financial nerve center of ACORN. Former ACORN official Charles Turner said earlier this year that CCI, an affiliate of ACORN, “is where the shell game begins.”

Louisiana’s Democratic attorney general, Buddy Caldwell, seems to agree. He issued a subpoena October 2 for CCI’s books.

Former ACORN officials say these activities are controlled by the mysterious CCI which handles the financial affairs of hundreds of affiliates within the ACORN network. ACORN member dues, government money, and foundation grants, are all sucked into the CCI vortex often never to be seen again.

When the cover-up became public last year, Drummond Pike, the founder of the far-left Tides Foundation (2007 assets: $186 million), stepped forward and paid off the debt with his personal funds.

Bishop Morin’s subcommittee could hardly ignore the fact that ACORN is relentlessly, emphatically, exuberantly partisan. However, to protect the tax-exempt status of some of its affiliates, ACORN loudly claims to be community oriented and officially nonpartisan.

2. Partisanship

During last year’s Democratic Party primaries, the Obama campaign paid $833,000 to Citizens Services Inc., another ACORN affiliate, for get-out-the vote activities. Having ACORN do the political work evidently made sense to candidate Obama, who had once led a voter drive for Project Vote, an ACORN affiliate. Obama also represented ACORN in court and lectured at ACORN on organizing techniques.

Last year ACORN and Project Vote proudly announced they had registered 1.3 million new voters. Too bad most of the registrations were tossed out by election officials, lowering the true total closer to 450,000.

In October 2008, ACORN’s CEO and “chief organizer” Bertha Lewis, endorsed Barack Obama for President. She appeared in a YouTube video in front of a banner reading “Working Families Party: Fighting for Jobs and Justice.” (The Working Families Party, a minor New York state political party, is an ACORN affiliate. )

3. Racketeering

Surely other reported instances of ACORN malfeasance must have found their way into the bishops’ deliberations. ACORN is under investigation in at least a dozen states for electoral fraud, and is reportedly being probed by the FBI as calls for a congressional probe grow louder with each passing day. A group of disgruntled former ACORN members called the “ACORN 8” has asked U.S. attorneys across the nation to pursue civil and criminal litigation under the federal Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act.

House Republican investigators released a report in July slamming ACORN. There is “a pattern of loose financial accounting and no firewalls” within the community-based group’s byzantine network of hundreds of affiliated groups, said Rep. Darrell Issa (R.-Calif.).
“It is impossible to hand over government money “to ACORN and its affiliates without knowingly delivering it to partisan operatives who in fact engage in campaigning,” Issa said.

http://humanevents.com/2009/10/26/leftwing-radicalism-in-the-church-cchd-and-acorn/

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