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Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« on: February 18, 2016, 06:54:11 am »
"Apple CEO Tim Cook declared on Wednesday that his company wouldn’t comply with a government search warrant to unlock an iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino killers, a significant escalation in a long-running debate between technology companies and the government over access to people’s electronically-stored private information.

But in a similar case in New York last year, Apple acknowledged that it could extract such data if it wanted to. And according to prosecutors in that case, Apple has unlocked phones for authorities at least 70 times since 2008. (Apple doesn’t dispute this figure.)

In other words, Apple’s stance in the San Bernardino case may not be quite the principled defense that Cook claims it is. In fact, it may have as much to do with public relations as it does with warding off what Cook called “an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers.”

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The facts in the New York case, which involve a self-confessed methamphetamine dealer and not a notorious terrorist, tend to undermine some of the core claims being made by both Apple and the government in a dispute with profound implications for privacy and criminal investigations beyond the San Bernardino.

In New York, as in California, Apple is refusing to bypass the passcode feature now found on many iPhones.

But in a legal brief, Apple acknowledged that the phone in the meth case was running version 7 of the iPhone operating system, which means the company can access it. “For these devices, Apple has the technical ability to extract certain categories of unencrypted data from a passcode locked iOS device,” the company said in a court brief.

Whether the extraction would be successful depended on whether the phone was “in good working order,” Apple said, noting that the company hadn’t inspected the phone yet. But as a general matter, yes, Apple could crack the iPhone for the government. And, two technical experts told The Daily Beast, the company could do so with the phone used by deceased San Bernardino shooter, Syed Rizwan Farook, a model 5C. It was running version 9 of the operating system.

Still, Apple argued in the New York case, it shouldn’t have to, because “forcing Apple to extract data…absent clear legal authority to do so, could threaten the trust between Apple and its customers and substantially tarnish the Apple brand,” the company said, putting forth an argument that didn’t explain why it was willing to comply with court orders in other cases.

“This reputational harm could have a longer term economic impact beyond the mere cost of performing the single extraction at issue,” Apple said.

Apple’s argument in New York struck one former NSA lawyer as a telling admission: that its business reputation is now an essential factor in deciding whether to hand over customer information.

“I think Apple did itself a huge disservice,” Susan Hennessey, who was an attorney in the Office of the General Counsel at the NSA, told The Daily Beast. The company acknowledged that it had the technical capacity to unlock the phone, but “objected anyway on reputational grounds,” Hennessey said. Its arguments were at odds with each other, especially in light of Apple’s previous compliance with so many court orders.

It wasn’t until after the revelations of former-NSA contractor Edward Snowden did Apple begin to position itself so forcefully as a guardian of privacy protection in the face of a vast government surveillance apparatus. Perhaps Apple was taken aback by the scale of NSA spying that Snowden revealed. Or perhaps it was embarassed by its own role in it. The company, since 2012, had been providing its customers’ information to the FBI and the NSA via the so-called PRISM program, which operated pursuant to court orders."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/17/apple-unlocked-iphones-for-the-feds-70-times-before.html

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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2016, 01:59:26 pm »
Color me shocked!
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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2016, 12:50:49 am »
The iPhones that Apple "unlocked" were almost certainly running previous versions of the iOS, and had different hardware internals, than the iPhone 5c (not sure if that's the correct model) of the San Bernardino shooter.

Especially since the Ed Snowden revelations regarding NSA spying and the overall governmental invasion of personal privacy, I sense that Apple has moved forcefully in the direction of protecting the privacy of their customers. Hence the new "uncrackable" iOS/iPhone software/hardware combination.

I understand that other manufacturers (such as Samsung?) may be following suit.

I'm of the opinion that Apple is going to stand its ground on this one, and "force the issue up through the courts". Let's see how far they get with it...

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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2016, 01:04:04 am »
The way I understand it, the feds want Apple to create a reusable software key, one that can be used on other phones. 

I'm sure it will be fine.  It's not like those guys ever abuse their power.

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2016, 02:38:48 am »
It wasn’t until after the revelations of former-NSA contractor Edward Snowden did Apple begin to position itself so forcefully as a guardian of privacy protection in the face of a vast government surveillance apparatus. Perhaps Apple was taken aback by the scale of NSA spying that Snowden revealed. Or perhaps it was embarassed by its own role in it. The company, since 2012, had been providing its customers’ information to the FBI and the NSA via the so-called PRISM program, which operated pursuant to court orders."


Apple has reacted to their customers complaints on this issue.  In other words, they are trying to rebuild the trust they lost with their customers once Snowden revealed what he did.

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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2016, 06:32:00 pm »
February 19, 2016

What does the FBI want?

The FBI is still investigating the San Bernardino shooting that killed 14 people. Federal agents are trying to determine if there are any more ISIS-inspired terrorists plots underway.

On Tuesday, a federal magistrate-judge ruled that Apple must help the FBI break into the locked iPhone 5C of the dead shooter, Syed Farook. Apple was ordered to create a weaker version of its operating system for this one device, and help the FBI crack Farook's passcode.

But Apple (AAPL, Tech30)says no.

Why is Apple fighting the FBI?

Apple says complying with the FBI would undermine Apple's brand and hurt its profitability.

If Apple complies with the judge's order, it will be forced to build software that "would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone's physical possession," Apple CEO Tim Cook said in a public letter to customers.

Apple has become the most valuable company in the world partly because it builds products that are extremely secure. Apple promises that if customer follows basic directions, the photos and messages on an iPhone are safe and private.

That promise is broken if Apple abides by the magistrate-judge's order.

Does Apple even have a choice?

It can appeal the decision.

At this moment, Apple has until Friday, Feb. 26 to present its legal argument against her order.

Tuesday's order was written by U.S. Magistrate Judge Sheri Pym. She's not an actual U.S. district judge, so Apple could object to her order and take it to the federal judge overseeing the case.

At this point, Apple can only argue that this order is "burdensome." But corporate defense lawyers told CNNMoney they doubt that'll fly.

(The FBI is trying to prevent another terrorist attack. The judge isn't likely to care that Apple needs to have its engineers work overtime.)

If that doesn't work, Apple can then appeal to the federal judicial system's Ninth Circuit. It could even take this all the way up the U.S. Supreme Court.

To postpone judicial orders, Apple can claim this will "cause irreparable harm" to the company.

But even in mid-appeal, Apple could still be told: Do it now.

What if Apple still says no?

Then it gets ugly.

If Apple refuses a court order -- even one that hurts the company -- it can be held in contempt of court.

The U.S. government could fine the company for every day it doesn't comply. Apple has close to $200 billion in cash lying around, so it has lots of money to burn on this fight.

But a federal judge could instead send a top Apple executive behind bars -- in theory.

There are many examples of people held in contempt of court. Last year, a federal judge put Rowan County, Kentucky clerk Kim Davis in jail for five days when she refused to issue marriage licenses to gay couples. In 2005, a federal judge put a New York Times journalist Judith Miller in prison for 85 days after she refused to give up the name of her confidential source at the White House.

But this is different. The court would be holding a corporation in contempt, and in the United States, corporations are individual entities all on their own. CNNMoney spoke to seven corporate lawyers. All but one said executives could get sent to jail if their companies are held in contempt.

But none of them can point to a single case where that has happened.

"Unlike a closely-held company, where you could go after the CEO, Apple is a publicly traded company," said Miami federal defense attorney David Oscar Markus. "But no one is going to jail over this."

Will Tim Cook go to jail?

That's unlikely. But it's possible.

"The person who goes to jail is the one who makes the decision not to comply," said Frank Rubino, a federal defense attorney in Miami, Florida.

That could be Cook. Or it could be some top engineer.

Why does this case matter so much?

This is a landmark case. It will establish a precedent that asserts new powers for law enforcement.

Kendall Coffey, formerly the top federal prosecutor in Miami, noted that it's rare for a major company to pick such a huge legal battle.

"What's striking about this scenario is the opposition in the face of a court order," Coffey said. "It signals it's going to be a big fight. A lot of companies don't want to be on the wrong side of the FBI. Their jurisdiction is broad, and it can be akin to tugging on Superman's cape."

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/18/technology/apple-fbi-fight/

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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2016, 06:53:19 pm »

Force Apple to comply. The firm has prospered immensely due to the business advantages of the US.

National Security of the US is an overriding argument, above any others.

But nobody will go to jail, and a reasonable accommodation will be reached, because one thing Apple does NOT want is:

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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2016, 01:02:29 am »
Apple has the deepest of deep pockets.

They'll take this to the top -- the U.S. Supreme Court. As they should.

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When it gets that far, if by some turn of fate it looks like the Court may rule in Apple's favor, watch the government to suddenly drop the case...

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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2016, 01:11:14 am »
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Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, a leading legislator on privacy and tech issues, warned the FBI to step back from the brink or risk setting a precedent for authoritarian countries.

“This move by the FBI could snowball around the world. Why in the world would our government want to give repressive regimes in Russia and China a blueprint for forcing American companies to create a backdoor?” Wyden told the Guardian.

“Companies should comply with warrants to the extent they are able to do so, but no company should be forced to deliberately weaken its products. In the long run, the real losers will be Americans’ online safety and security.”

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/17/apple-fbi-encryption-san-bernardino-russia-china
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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2016, 01:15:31 am »
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/17/apple-fbi-encryption-san-bernardino-russia-china

Apple encryption case risks influencing Russia and China, privacy experts say
Analysts and lawmakers warn FBI that ramifications over its demand that Apple unlock San Bernardino killer’s iPhone ‘could snowball around the world’
 
Wednesday 17 February 2016 13.53 EST Last modified on Wednesday 17 February 2016 17.36 EST

Authoritarian governments including Russia and China will demand greater access to mobile data should Apple lose a watershed encryption case brought by the FBI, leading technology analysts, privacy experts and legislators have warned.

Apple’s decision to resist a court order to unlock a password-protected iPhone belonging to one of the San Bernardino killers has created a worldwide privacy shockwave, with campaigners around the world expecting the struggle to carry major implications for the future of mobile and internet security. They warned that Barack Obama’s criticism of a similar Chinese measure last year now risked ringing hollow.

Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, a leading legislator on privacy and tech issues, warned the FBI to step back from the brink or risk setting a precedent for authoritarian countries.

“This move by the FBI could snowball around the world. Why in the world would our government want to give repressive regimes in Russia and China a blueprint for forcing American companies to create a backdoor?” Wyden told the Guardian.

“Companies should comply with warrants to the extent they are able to do so, but no company should be forced to deliberately weaken its products. In the long run, the real losers will be Americans’ online safety and security.”

Wyden, an Oregon Democrat on the Senate intelligence committee, said the FBI was using an “unprecedented reading of a nearly 230-year old law” that put “at risk the foundations of strong security for our people and privacy in the digital age.

“If upheld, this decision could force US technology companies to actually build hacking tools for government against their will, while weakening cybersecurity for millions of Americans in the process,” Wyden said.


Should the FBI prevail, and Apple create what is functionally a custom-built version of its mobile operating system, governments around the world “will see this as a blank check of legitimacy”, said human rights lawyer Carly Nyst, who called the Apple showdown “groundbreaking”.

In a defiant statement late on Tuesday, Apple CEO Tim Cook said the FBI had no way to ensure that the effect of its access would stay in US government hands. “The technique could be used over and over again, on any number of devices” once Apple builds it, Cook warned.

US-based tech firms have long dealt with efforts by countries worldwide to undermine user security in the name of law enforcement and national security – terms that vary widely with government prerogative. China in particular has fought with Apple over the iPhone, in a struggle that echoes the FBI’s latest move.

Chinese state media in 2014 labeled the iPhone a national security threat for collecting location data from users and compromising “state secrets”. The accusation, coming after leaks from whistleblower Edward Snowden revealed the National Security Agency had hacked Chinese tech giant Huawei, prompted Cook to defend the devices’ security features.

“Apple has never worked with any government agency from any country to create a backdoor in any of our products or services. We have also never allowed access to our servers. And we never will,” Cook said at the time.

The Obama administration and US security services consider Chinese-aided data breaches to comprise a major national security threat, which has prompted privacy advocates to voice alarm that US government actions to undermine encryption will backfire as foreign hackers exploit mandated vulnerabilities.

The impact of the mutual distrust between Washington and Beijing can be seen in China’s new cybersecurity and counter-terrorism bill, passed last December. The far-reaching law mandates that internet firms and telecos doing business in China provide law enforcement with decryption keys in terrorism cases. Analysts and foreign firms are waiting to see how far China goes in enforcing the controversial measure, particularly in light of Apple’s standoff with the FBI.

Last March, Obama personally objected to the Chinese law as a draconian measure that would force US firms to “turn over to the Chinese government mechanisms where they can snoop and keep track of all the users of those services.” Obama said he had personally raised the issue with Xi Jinping, his Chinese counterpart.

“Imagine how hollow these objections will ring if a US court can order what China was trying to compel by statute,” said Greg Nojeim of the Center for Democracy and Technology.

“The fact that such requests may be forthcoming from authoritarian countries if Apple is forced to comply with US law enforcement requests is reason enough why the Apple position should be respected,” said Christopher Wolf, the director of the privacy and information management practice at the law firm Hogan Lovells.

“At the moment, Apple is not responding to foreign law enforcement [demands to] unlock devices. It’s a matter of time until China, Russia Bahrain, take your pick, come knocking too,” said Eric King, director of the UK-based Don’t Spy On Us coalition.

But it is not just the US authorities which are opening a path for others to undermine privacy. King and others have warned that the UK’s proposed investigatory powers bill would represent a “snooper’s charter”, giving the government broad authority to water down encryption standards and, once armed with a warrant, force a firm to turn over encrypted communications.

Foreign firms like Apple are concerned that the bill’s extraterritorial claims could “force them to re-architecture systems like iMessage and build in a backdoor,” King said, underscoring that concerns about government access to communications data are not limited to authoritarian states.
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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2016, 01:23:40 am »
We got some real ISSUES here:  FORCE APPLE to comply, sorry, this is AMERICA, NOT the Soviet Union.


OK, they make Apple comply, by force and tell me my friends just how does the SuPreme court rule?  Scalia is GONE!


SCOTUS rules Feds have complete control over any and all functions of any company in the US, do we want that?  Can you show in the Constitution where it says the feds can pick and chose which rules company's will follow?


I am A CAPITALIST and trust me this is a box we do not want opened?


That said:


I have to ask WHY this is public info at all.  ANYONE here think maybe a fone call to Tim and say:  Hey man help us out on this, we got a bad actor and need to crack the fone, you guys can do, THANK YOU Tim!


Something is wrong here just like Scalia, the facts don't add up.  What I see is a public power play to take us one more step closer to tyranny and Fascism.


There may be facts that I do not know that would make me shift my opinion, but till then I stand with Apple, but am OPEN to hear more...
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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2016, 01:25:52 am »
I just got this in my inbox (running way behind on e mail) and have not had time to digest it, I will read it tonight:

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/



"A Message to Our CustomersThe United States government has demanded that Apple take an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers. We oppose this order, which has implications far beyond the legal case at hand.
This moment calls for public discussion, and we want our customers and people around the country to understand what is at stake.

The Need for EncryptionSmartphones, led by iPhone, have become an essential part of our lives. People use them to store an incredible amount of personal information, from our private conversations to our photos, our music, our notes, our calendars and contacts, our financial information and health data, even where we have been and where we are going.

All that information needs to be protected from hackers and criminals who want to access it, steal it, and use it without our knowledge or permission. Customers expect Apple and other technology companies to do everything in our power to protect their personal information, and at Apple we are deeply committed to safeguarding their data.

Compromising the security of our personal information can ultimately put our personal safety at risk. That is why encryption has become so important to all of us.

For many years, we have used encryption to protect our customers’ personal data because we believe it’s the only way to keep their information safe. We have even put that data out of our own reach, because we believe the contents of your iPhone are none of our business.

The San Bernardino CaseWe were shocked and outraged by the deadly act of terrorism in San Bernardino last December. We mourn the loss of life and want justice for all those whose lives were affected. The FBI asked us for help in the days following the attack, and we have worked hard to support the government’s efforts to solve this horrible crime. We have no sympathy for terrorists.

When the FBI has requested data that’s in our possession, we have provided it. Apple complies with valid subpoenas and search warrants, as we have in the San Bernardino case. We have also made Apple engineers available to advise the FBI, and we’ve offered our best ideas on a number of investigative options at their disposal.

We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create. They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone.

Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.

The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control.

The Threat to Data SecuritySome would argue that building a backdoor for just one iPhone is a simple, clean-cut solution. But it ignores both the basics of digital security and the significance of what the government is demanding in this case.

In today’s digital world, the “key” to an encrypted system is a piece of information that unlocks the data, and it is only as secure as the protections around it. Once the information is known, or a way to bypass the code is revealed, the encryption can be defeated by anyone with that knowledge.

The government suggests this tool could only be used once, on one phone. But that’s simply not true. Once created, the technique could be used over and over again, on any number of devices. In the physical world, it would be the equivalent of a master key, capable of opening hundreds of millions of locks — from restaurants and banks to stores and homes. No reasonable person would find that acceptable.

The government is asking Apple to hack our own users and undermine decades of security advancements that protect our customers — including tens of millions of American citizens — from sophisticated hackers and cybercriminals. The same engineers who built strong encryption into the iPhone to protect our users would, ironically, be ordered to weaken those protections and make our users less safe.

We can find no precedent for an American company being forced to expose its customers to a greater risk of attack. For years, cryptologists and national security experts have been warning against weakening encryption. Doing so would hurt only the well-meaning and law-abiding citizens who rely on companies like Apple to protect their data. Criminals and bad actors will still encrypt, using tools that are readily available to them.

A Dangerous PrecedentRather than asking for legislative action through Congress, the FBI is proposing an unprecedented use of the All Writs Act of 1789 to justify an expansion of its authority.

The government would have us remove security features and add new capabilities to the operating system, allowing a passcode to be input electronically. This would make it easier to unlock an iPhone by “brute force,” trying thousands or millions of combinations with the speed of a modern computer.

The implications of the government’s demands are chilling. If the government can use the All Writs Act to make it easier to unlock your iPhone, it would have the power to reach into anyone’s device to capture their data. The government could extend this breach of privacy and demand that Apple build surveillance software to intercept your messages, access your health records or financial data, track your location, or even access your phone’s microphone or camera without your knowledge.

Opposing this order is not something we take lightly. We feel we must speak up in the face of what we see as an overreach by the U.S. government.

We are challenging the FBI’s demands with the deepest respect for American democracy and a love of our country. We believe it would be in the best interest of everyone to step back and consider the implications.

While we believe the FBI’s intentions are good, it would be wrong for the government to force us to build a backdoor into our products. And ultimately, we fear that this demand would undermine the very freedoms and liberty our government is meant to protect.

Tim Cook"
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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2016, 01:45:23 am »
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“If upheld, this decision could force US technology companies to actually build hacking tools for government against their will, while weakening cybersecurity for millions of Americans in the process,” Wyden said.
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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2016, 01:46:50 am »
Law enforcement authorities routinely subpoena phone records, and the phone companies comply.

It is provided in the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, and it is called a "reasonable" search and seizure.

Preventing a terror attack is "reasonable." Claims of great harm are ridiculous on the surface.
 

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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2016, 01:53:04 am »
Law enforcement authorities routinely subpoena phone records, and the phone companies comply.

It is provided in the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, and it is called a "reasonable" search and seizure.

Preventing a terror attack is "reasonable." Claims of great harm are ridiculous on the surface.

Phone records do not reveal private conversations between people. They are innocuous.

There is nothing "reasonable" about providing any government with the capability to do a fishing expedition into the private communications of individuals without probable cause.  We know that the government routinely abuses the "probable cause" clause.

Forcing Apple to comply with a government order will provide a precedent for tyrannical regimes to force them to provide such tools to them or risk being barred from the country.  Do we really want that?
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Re: Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2016, 04:51:37 pm »

Now the real story is coming out.  The FBI bungled it and wants Apple to fix it and give them a universal key....no WAY!


Apple says iPhone ID change prevented data access


"SAN MATEO, Calif. — The ID passcode to the iPhone the FBI wants Apple to hack for information about one of the San Bernardino, Calif., terrorists was changed less than a day after the government gained possession of it, Apple executives said in a phone briefing with reporters Friday afternoon.
Had the passcode not been changed, Apple said, a backup of the information the government is seeking could have been viewed.  It is unclear who changed the Apple ID passcode while it was in the government’s possession, the executive said.
The disclosure was made with a small group of reporters during a 30-minute briefing, including USA TODAY. Apple asked that its executive not be identified because of the sensitive nature of the legal matter..."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/02/19/iphone-passcode-changed-government-possession/80632962/

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2016, 05:14:09 pm »
Now the real story is coming out.  The FBI bungled it and wants Apple to fix it and give them a universal key....no WAY!

Doesn't matter. The government simply cannot allow any part of American life to be off limits to it.  It will reach in where it wants, how it wants, as often as it wants.

And it will attempt to force a private company to go against its own best interests because there "might" be a speck of data on a phone that the government itself issued.  Since the shooter destroyed his own iPhone, who actually believes he'd be stupid enough to do his dirty work on a phone that could be confiscated at any time?
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2016, 05:31:01 pm »
Now the real story is coming out.  The FBI bungled it and wants Apple to fix it and give them a universal key....no WAY!

Doesn't matter. The government simply cannot allow any part of American life to be off limits to it.  It will reach in where it wants, how it wants, as often as it wants.

And it will attempt to force a private company to go against its own best interests because there "might" be a speck of data on a phone that the government itself issued.  Since the shooter destroyed his own iPhone, who actually believes he'd be stupid enough to do his dirty work on a phone that could be confiscated at any time?
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This is what I have been posting all along...[size=78%]I have thought all along this is nothing but a power play by the DoJ to gain more control over ALL companies business and this is looking to be the case with some of the things they want:  Ability to log into the fone by an Agent remotely and to keep the fone from erasing all the data after 10 failed attempts.[/size]
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