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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #250 on: January 27, 2016, 08:05:34 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on January 27, 2016, 07:59:41 pm

Would you be kind enough to show me where the right to abortion on demand appears either in the Constitution or U.S. Law?

Thanks!

Bigun, I agree with you!  That is my point.  Yet it is the law of the land and Reagan (and Bush, I don't mean to single out Reagan, that is so overdone) implemented it as policy.  According to all we know about those presidents, they did not respect that aspect of the law of the land, yet they implemented it as president.  You do not have to have respect for the law in its entirety or for the Constitution as it exists in law today, in order to respect it in the general sense.  Everyone picks and chooses based on their own beliefs. 
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #251 on: January 27, 2016, 08:06:48 pm »
Quote from: alicewonders on January 27, 2016, 08:04:19 pm
That wasn't the point of the posting.  Your statement is an attempt to go off on another tangent and not address the substance of the post.

No it isn't! My question DIRECTLY addresses the portion of Scott's statement that I quoted!
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #252 on: January 27, 2016, 08:09:55 pm »
Quote from: Scottftlc on January 27, 2016, 08:05:34 pm
Bigun, I agree with you!  That is my point.  Yet it is the law of the land and Reagan (and Bush, I don't mean to single out Reagan, that is so overdone) implemented it as policy.  According to all we know about those presidents, they did not respect that aspect of the law of the land, yet they implemented it as president.  You do not have to have respect for the law in its entirety or for the Constitution as it exists in law today, in order to respect it in the general sense.  Everyone picks and chooses based on their own beliefs.

OK! I think I understand what you are saying but just to make sure, you DO know that SCOTUS does not get to make law don't you?
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #253 on: January 27, 2016, 08:15:58 pm »
Quote from: Scottftlc on January 27, 2016, 08:05:34 pm
Bigun, I agree with you!  That is my point.  Yet it is the law of the land and Reagan (and Bush, I don't mean to single out Reagan, that is so overdone) implemented it as policy.  According to all we know about those presidents, they did not respect that aspect of the law of the land, yet they implemented it as president.  You do not have to have respect for the law in its entirety or for the Constitution as it exists in law today, in order to respect it in the general sense.  Everyone picks and chooses based on their own beliefs.

Can you provide a link that indicates that Donald Trump has talked about the Constitution?

The problem with your argument is that from what Trump has said, he is planning on taking things into his own hands and doing things by the power of his own will, with seemingly no regard for the fact that the Constitutional powers allotted to the President do not include the things he is planning to do.  The parallel with Reagan and Bush enforcing laws they didn't agree with is pretty much the opposite argument of Obama's (and probably Trump's) ignoring the laws that are there.

I haven't seen any evidence that Trump cares one whit about the Constitution.  He is a power in and unto himself, as far as I can tell.
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #254 on: January 27, 2016, 08:22:16 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on January 27, 2016, 08:15:58 pm
Can you provide a link that indicates that Donald Trump has talked about the Constitution?

The problem with your argument is that from what Trump has said, he is planning on taking things into his own hands and doing things by the power of his own will, with seemingly no regard for the fact that the Constitutional powers allotted to the President do not include the things he is planning to do.  The parallel with Reagan and Bush enforcing laws they didn't agree with is pretty much the opposite argument of Obama's (and probably Trump's) ignoring the laws that are there.

I haven't seen any evidence that Trump cares one whit about the Constitution.  He is a power in and unto himself, as far as I can tell.

Then why is he talking so much about making deals?  Supposedly, that makes him really a liberal in the eyes of his detractors.  So which one is he?  Or is he both?

And if he did as you suggest, then my little scenario of the Supreme Court (believe me, the Democrats will take it there in a heartbeat) comes into play.

It is not the opposite...it is a mirror image (it's in reverse but it is the same thing).  We could go in to the laws (there are so many of them these days) that are not enforced by presidents - they've all done that as well.  We could with some time-consuming research come up with quite an incredible list of laws that are not enforced - by choice - by administrations.  Again, back to the beginning - it is picking and choosing and it does not indicate a lack of respect for law generally.
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #255 on: January 27, 2016, 08:27:06 pm »
Quote from: Scottftlc on January 27, 2016, 08:22:16 pm
Then why is he talking so much about making deals?  Supposedly, that makes him really a liberal in the eyes of his detractors.  So which one is he?  Or is he both?

And if he did as you suggest, then my little scenario of the Supreme Court (believe me, the Democrats will take it there in a heartbeat) comes into play.

It is not the opposite...it is a mirror image (it's in reverse but it is the same thing).  We could go in to the laws (there are so many of them these days) that are not enforced by presidents - they've all done that as well.  We could with some time-consuming research come up with quite an incredible list of laws that are not enforced - by choice - by administrations.  Again, back to the beginning - it is picking and choosing and it does not indicate a lack of respect for law generally.

I guess that depends on your point of view. Mine is that ANY president who does not do what he swears to do, i.e. "take care that the laws are faithfully executed", should be impeached!

If that were to happen just once a LOT of bad law would disappear overnight IMHO!
 
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #256 on: January 27, 2016, 08:27:27 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on January 27, 2016, 08:09:55 pm
OK! I think I understand what you are saying but just to make sure, you DO know that SCOTUS does not get to make law don't you?

Yes I know they do not get to do that...in theory, in concept...unfortunately though in practice, they make them by the bushel-full.  And those laws they "make" have stuck, stuck to the point that presidents swear to uphold the Constitution with their hands on the Bible - good and bad presidents alike - and then they do not uphold it in theory or concept out of practicality.
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #257 on: January 27, 2016, 08:29:32 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on January 27, 2016, 08:27:06 pm
I guess that depends on your point of view. Mine is that ANY president who does not do what he swears to do, i.e. "take care that the laws are faithfully executed", should be impeached!

If that were to happen just once a LOT of bad law would disappear overnight IMHO!

And we would probably have about 13 impeached presidents instead of two.
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« Reply #258 on: January 27, 2016, 08:30:23 pm »
Quote from: Scottftlc on January 27, 2016, 08:29:32 pm
And we would probably have about 13 impeached presidents instead of two.

Is that all??  ^-^
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #259 on: January 27, 2016, 08:32:47 pm »
Quote from: Scottftlc on January 27, 2016, 08:29:32 pm
And we would probably have about 13 impeached presidents instead of two.

No we wouldn't because the first one would have stopped it! At least for a long time!

CONGRESS needs to learn how to actually use the powers granted them in the Constitution!
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #260 on: January 27, 2016, 08:45:24 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on January 27, 2016, 08:15:58 pm
Can you provide a link that indicates that Donald Trump has talked about the Constitution?

The problem with your argument is that from what Trump has said, he is planning on taking things into his own hands and doing things by the power of his own will, with seemingly no regard for the fact that the Constitutional powers allotted to the President do not include the things he is planning to do.  The parallel with Reagan and Bush enforcing laws they didn't agree with is pretty much the opposite argument of Obama's (and probably Trump's) ignoring the laws that are there.

I haven't seen any evidence that Trump cares one whit about the Constitution.  He is a power in and unto himself, as far as I can tell.

Just happened to have a fresh one here for you, ML!

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Two days before the Fox News-Google GOP debate, Bret Baier and Donald Trump went one-on-one on "Special Report" tonight.

The GOP presidential front-runner explained that he wants to rebuild the Republican Party.

"Right now, the Republican Party is a total mess, just like our country is a mess," Trump said.

He explained that he's a great negotiator and deal-maker, so he can get the country back on track without using executive orders like President Obama.

"I feel very strongly about our Constitution," Trump said. "I’m proud of it, I love it and I want to go through the Constitution."

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/26/donald-trump-and-bret-baier-face-special-report-2-days-fox-news-google-gop-debate
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« Reply #261 on: January 27, 2016, 08:49:03 pm »
Quote from: katzenjammer on January 27, 2016, 08:45:24 pm
Just happened to have a fresh one here for you, ML!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/01/26/donald-trump-and-bret-baier-face-special-report-2-days-fox-news-google-gop-debate

Thanks.  That's the first I've seen or heard that he even knew the Constitution exists......

At least he gave it lip service.

Once.
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #262 on: January 27, 2016, 08:58:33 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on January 27, 2016, 08:49:03 pm
Thanks.  That's the first I've seen or heard that he even knew the Constitution exists......

At least he gave it lip service.

Once.


You are probably right!  I think that he is so dumb that usually when he talks about having a "strong Constitution" he thinks that it means people that don't catch a cold/flu easily!   :silly:

(Brings to mind the words of Jimmy Buffet: "If we can't laugh, we would all go insane!"   :silly:)
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #263 on: January 27, 2016, 09:02:15 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on January 27, 2016, 08:32:47 pm
No we wouldn't because the first one would have stopped it! At least for a long time!

CONGRESS needs to learn how to actually use the powers granted them in the Constitution!

LOL yes, the precedent would have done it.
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« Reply #264 on: January 27, 2016, 09:04:53 pm »
Quote from: katzenjammer on January 27, 2016, 08:58:33 pm

You are probably right!  I think that he is so dumb that usually when he talks about having a "strong Constitution" he thinks that it means people that don't catch a cold/flu easily!   :silly:

(Brings to mind the words of Jimmy Buffet: "If we can't laugh, we would all go insane!"   :silly:)

OK.  I admit it.  That made me laugh.  :patriot:
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« Reply #265 on: January 27, 2016, 09:07:07 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on January 27, 2016, 07:06:00 pm
Respect the Constitution and the law of the land.

Which he doesn't.

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« Reply #266 on: January 27, 2016, 09:11:03 pm »

This is all minutia.

With Trump, it all boils down to you ether like him or hate him. People aren't interested in weighing the pros and cons of Trump policy and positions, they gave that up a long time ago. I think most folks have made up their minds.

If you took a survey of members here, and asked if they would change their opinion and support Trump, I dare say no one would.

This thing is already baked in the cake.
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« Reply #267 on: January 27, 2016, 09:11:49 pm »
Quote from: Vulcan on January 27, 2016, 09:07:07 pm
Which he doesn't.



Don't you know, Vulcan??  He's "evolved" into being a Republican just in time for the election!

It's a MIRACLE!   :laugh:
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Re: Trump Won't do Debate
« Reply #268 on: January 27, 2016, 09:28:35 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on January 27, 2016, 08:09:55 pm
OK! I think I understand what you are saying but just to make sure, you DO know that SCOTUS does not get to make law don't you?

OH my good man. I'm afraid you are living in the distant past on that one. The wise latina and her cohorts are on the scene now and it's new rules until someone stops them and so far the congress looks pretty weak.
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« Reply #269 on: January 27, 2016, 09:30:03 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on January 27, 2016, 09:11:49 pm
Don't you know, Vulcan??  He's "evolved" into being a Republican just in time for the election!

It's a MIRACLE!   :laugh:

So I've heard.  But a look at what he has said DURING THIS CAMPAIGN reveals the truth.

On the Supreme Court gay "marriage" ruling



On ILLEGAL aliens



On flaming liberal Warren Buffett



On globalism



On abortion



On socialist healthcare

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« Reply #270 on: January 27, 2016, 09:42:44 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on January 27, 2016, 12:39:09 am
What in heaven's name is the appeal of this pre-pubescent narcissist?


IMHO,his entire appeal is based on he is telling a lot of people what they want to hear,which is something no other politician has done in years.
This makes them so happy they ignore the really,really,really stupid crap he utters,like how he is just going to "hire good managers" and "make Mexico pay for the wall",just like he will also be the president of Mexico,or something.

This crap just reinforces my long-held opinion this is nothing but a ego trip for him,and he's not serious about running.  IMHO,he is going to drop out right before the primary election leaving the alleged Republican Party in shambles with no real candidate. He will then spend the rest of his life bragging about how "I COULD have been President if I wanted to,but the job was beneath me,so I dropped out. I didn't want to be associated with losers like that!"

I'm still looking forward to some tv reporter ask him on camera about when he is going to put all  his money in blind trusts,and IF he will do this if elected. HEY! If he has no trouble "hiring good managers to run the country",why would he have trouble hiring good managers to run his money?

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« Reply #271 on: January 27, 2016, 09:52:04 pm »
"Telling people what they want to hear" isn't leadership, it's pandering. 

What's remarkable isn't that Trump is pandering, but that so many folks have deliberately shut down their critical faculties when it comes to Trump's schtick.   
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« Reply #272 on: January 27, 2016, 09:59:48 pm »
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What's remarkable isn't that Trump is pandering, but that so many folks have deliberately shut down their critical faculties when it comes to Trump's schtick.

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« Reply #273 on: January 27, 2016, 10:01:30 pm »
Veterans group to Trump: Keep your donations Trump has tried to tie fundraising for veterans with debates in past

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WASHINGTON (CNN) - At least one veteran's group doesn't want any donations from Donald Trump's fundraiser for veterans. Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America founder Paul Rieckhoff tweeted Wednesday that he would decline any contributions that came from the event, which Trump has proposed in place of his attending Fox News' debate this week. "If offered, @IAVA will decline donations from Trump's event. We need strong policies from candidates, not to be used for political stunts," he said.

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Two other veterans' groups also distanced themselves from Trump's announcement. The Wounded Warrior Project said it was not aware of the candidate conducting any fundraising efforts on its behalf. Meanwhile, VoteVets.org, which calls itself the nation's largest progressive veterans group, issued a statement titled: "Don't hide from Megyn Kelly behind us."

...Rieckhoff did say that supporters are welcome to contribute to his group directly.

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« Reply #274 on: January 27, 2016, 10:37:33 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on January 27, 2016, 01:13:16 am
LOL!  This is pure genius, my friend.

Do you realize how many Democrats and Independents he endears by dissing FOXNEWS?

Yup! If there is one thing I look for in a conservative political candidate,it is one that is attractive to Dims!

What could possibly go wrong there?
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