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Offline Sanguine

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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2016, 02:46:12 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on January 22, 2016, 03:08:16 am
Fascinating how Trump supporters will defend everything he does, regardless of what opinion they had before Trump was their candidate......

If you believed a candidate should be moral, you no longer believe a candidate should be moral.
If you believed a candidate should be conservative, you no longer believe a candidate should be a conservative.
If you believed a candidate should be consistent and have core values, you no longer believe a candidate should be consistent and have core values.

It's the most remarkable transformation/removal of political beliefs I've ever seen.

And all because Donald Trump (liberal) is running for President.

Yikes.

It's inexplicable, isn't it?
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2016, 03:01:40 pm »

Ronald Reagan was divorced. After only six months as governor, Ronald Reagan signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act. Was that moral? We still voted for him.

George W. Bush was arrested for drunk driving. Someone could have been killed. Was that moral? Yet, we still voted for him.

So can we please cut out this phony moralizing crap about Donald Trump's failed marriages?



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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2016, 03:03:48 pm »

..and can someone please tell me what Trump's failed marriages have to do with his abilities to run a company or a country?
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #28 on: January 22, 2016, 03:04:45 pm »

By the way, my divorce became final three months ago.
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2016, 03:09:16 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on January 22, 2016, 03:01:40 pm
Ronald Reagan was divorced. After only six months as governor, Ronald Reagan signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act. Was that moral? We still voted for him.

George W. Bush was arrested for drunk driving. Someone could have been killed. Was that moral? Yet, we still voted for him.

So can we please cut out this phony moralizing crap about Donald Trump's failed marriages?

 :beer: :beer: :beer:
But then we would have to talk about the issues...
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2016, 03:18:30 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on January 22, 2016, 03:01:40 pm
Ronald Reagan was divorced. After only six months as governor, Ronald Reagan signed the Therapeutic Abortion Act. Was that moral? We still voted for him.

George W. Bush was arrested for drunk driving. Someone could have been killed. Was that moral? Yet, we still voted for him.

So can we please cut out this phony moralizing crap about Donald Trump's failed marriages?

The moral issue with Trump is not his divorce, but his adultery.  It's not "phony moralizing crap" to question the moral leadership someone who has betrayed the most important relationship in life.

We didn't accept it with Clinton.  At least most of us didn't.

(And the DUI with Bush.......... are you seriously bringing that up as a parallel??  Good grief!)
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2016, 03:21:34 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on January 22, 2016, 03:04:45 pm
By the way, my divorce became final three months ago.

Sorry to hear that, and hope it's an improvement. 
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2016, 03:22:39 pm »
Quote from: EdinVA on January 22, 2016, 03:09:16 pm
:beer: :beer: :beer:
But then we would have to talk about the issues...

And when we talk about the issues, Trump fails even more miserably.

LOTS of discussion of the issues has been going on here every day.

I haven't seen anyone here say that his divorce is an issue.  (I certainly don't think it is).

That's what we call a strawman argument.   
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2016, 03:25:27 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on January 22, 2016, 03:18:30 pm
The moral issue with Trump is not his divorce, but his adultery.  It's not "phony moralizing crap" to question the moral leadership someone who has betrayed the most important relationship in life.

We didn't accept it with Clinton.  At least most of us didn't.

(And the DUI with Bush.......... are you seriously bringing that up as a parallel??  Good grief!)

Trump supporters are willfully blind to Trump's past and the consequences of his temperament.  That's how it is with cults of personality.   No one else can make the trains run on time.  Only Trump.   
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2016, 03:34:41 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on January 22, 2016, 03:01:40 pm
Ronald Reagan was divorced.
Once. Donald Trump has as many living ex-wives as all 44 predecessors combined, if not more.
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2016, 06:50:22 pm »
Quote from: Once-Ler on January 22, 2016, 03:38:06 am
flowers you could ask those same questions of any GOP candidate.

Let me ask you rhetorically how many primaries you have skipped.  I say rhetorically because I know the answer is none or almost none.

Amiright?

I'm guessing that is true for almost all of the posters at this forum.  Why?  Because we give a damn about our country and our government.
I cannot remember how many primaries I have skipped.  :patriot:
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2016, 07:07:20 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on January 22, 2016, 03:50:04 am
Not sure where you're going with that, flowers.............. that Trump isn't a Clinton?

OBVIOUSLY, he's not that bad.  But our standards ought to be as high as they can so that the most exemplary man/woman represents us in the general election.

I have a sinking feeling we're going to be settling for a sad substitute for honor this time around.

But let me tell you this........... whenever the primary is settled by the time Ohio votes, I STILL vote.  I ALWAYS vote.  I sure didn't vote for John McCain, even though the election was settled, but I voted.

It is my sacred duty to my country to let my voice be heard.

And I DO think less of those who don't take the privilege of voting seriously.
I was trying to say..Trump isn't as horrible as clinton would be. I agree voting is serious for me as well. I think all of us here are real serious. This one is it. It may not be to late, yet I think it is but not going to give up. Whoever is chosen as our candidate, it best not be Jeb.   I am on the fence about Trump these days. Liked him way more a bit ago, now worried. Heck this past week I liked Rubio...who is dead to me. I post at this forum and vent sometimes. Most all the posters here I enjoy reading their thoughts, others I have on ignore.
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2016, 07:24:32 pm »
I can't remember the last time I participated in a Presidential primary.   Minnesota employs a precinct caucus system and there are too many single issue types wasting time in those gatherings to make it a worthwhile endeavor.

I don't consider this a big deal for Trump or his prospects.
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2016, 08:13:12 pm »
Quote from: flowers on January 22, 2016, 03:28:41 am
how many state secrets has trump sold? how many people have died on his watch? how many women has he raped and let his wife intimate and thoroughly destroy? How many assets have been killed because of his private emails where not secure, only for money?

Trump has held no political office, but on the business side; not of all his casinos were successful, in fact some of them went belly up.  I wonder how many employees were affected?  Trump airlines never took off the ground.  Perhaps the most disgusting Trump ventures was Trump steaks; Donald Trump was featured on the June 2007 cover of the Sharper Image catalogue hunched over a platter of meat to kick off his line of premium steaks that he dubbed the “world’s greatest.” The company has since been discontinued—maybe it had something to do with the Trump Steakhouse in Las Vegas being closed down in 2012 for 51 health code violations, including serving five-month old duck.  Trump University was another one of his clammities; it lasted one year and he was sued for $40,000,000.00 for defrauding students.

On the personal side of Trump; Trump has been married 3 times.  He wasn't divorced from his first wife when he had an affair with his to be second wife and then he jumped over to his 3rd wife (rumor has not been confirmed that he was having an affair with his 3rd wife before he divorced his 2nd wife).  Then we get into Trump's personality -- his crude remarks about women; Meghan Kelly, Carly Fiornia and criticized Hillary for taking a bathroom break a little too long ... oh ... and his mocking the reporter with the handicap.

http://time.com/3988970/donald-trump-business/

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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2016, 08:49:10 pm »
Quote from: ArneFufkin on January 22, 2016, 07:24:32 pm
I can't remember the last time I participated in a Presidential primary.   Minnesota employs a precinct caucus system and there are too many single issue types wasting time in those gatherings to make it a worthwhile endeavor.

I don't consider this a big deal for Trump or his prospects.

Arne, I would agree with that if Trump had a good, solid background as a Republican or conservative.  As it is, this is just more data showing a trend.
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2016, 08:55:51 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on January 22, 2016, 08:13:12 pm
Trump has held no political office, but on the business side; not of all his casinos were successful, in fact some of them went belly up.  I wonder how many employees were affected?  Trump airlines never took off the ground.  Perhaps the most disgusting Trump ventures was Trump steaks; Donald Trump was featured on the June 2007 cover of the Sharper Image catalogue hunched over a platter of meat to kick off his line of premium steaks that he dubbed the “world’s greatest.” The company has since been discontinued—maybe it had something to do with the Trump Steakhouse in Las Vegas being closed down in 2012 for 51 health code violations, including serving five-month old duck.  Trump University was another one of his clammities; it lasted one year and he was sued for $40,000,000.00 for defrauding students.

On the personal side of Trump; Trump has been married 3 times.  He wasn't divorced from his first wife when he had an affair with his to be second wife and then he jumped over to his 3rd wife (rumor has not been confirmed that he was having an affair with his 3rd wife before he divorced his 2nd wife).  Then we get into Trump's personality -- his crude remarks about women; Meghan Kelly, Carly Fiornia and criticized Hillary for taking a bathroom break a little too long ... oh ... and his mocking the reporter with the handicap.

http://time.com/3988970/donald-trump-business/
:th_10444: thank you for that info. Did not know about some of that.
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2016, 09:12:42 pm »
I appreciate the thoughtful and researched comments about Trump's background - but - is it convincing enough to change anyone's mind?  Is this an effective tactic, or should you rethink the effort?  Trump is non-stick, a lot like Bill Clinton in that respect.  Luckily, he is running in our party and not the Democrat party.  No one is saying this guy is "conservative" - those arguments are falling on deaf ears.  At some point, idealists are going to have to face reality that a candidate that meets their ideals is not going to win.

I think most people are going to come to that conclusion about mid-February and then we're going to have to roll up our sleeves and get to work defeating the Democrats.  I've had to work for candidates I don't like before, so I know how hard that is.  I just don't think beating each other up is a good thing and if it makes you feel like you're putting out an effort to defeat Trump before it's too late, I can respect that.  Just be aware that you are changing very few minds.  It is what it is.

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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2016, 09:15:10 pm »
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At some point, idealists are going to have to face reality that a candidate that meets their ideals is not going to win.

Perhaps! But we are a LONG way from that point right now!

IF I am put in the position of having to vote for Trumpp in the general election it will be no worse than having to vote for a McCain, Dole, Romney...

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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2016, 09:37:31 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on January 22, 2016, 09:15:10 pm
Perhaps! But we are a LONG way from that point right now!

IF I am put in the position of having to vote for Trumpp in the general election it will be no worse than having to vote for a McCain, Dole, Romney...

Yeah, what Bigun said.
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2016, 10:02:50 pm »

I heard a Republican woman on the radio complain she always voted the most conservative candidate--and what have they done but cave to the democrats and squander the majority they've been given. This year being the most 'conservative' is not enough, she said, she wants an effective leader. She wants the illegal immigration issue handled now, pronto, and Trump has made that his signature issue so she's supporting Trump.
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2016, 10:43:45 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on January 22, 2016, 10:02:50 pm
I heard a Republican woman on the radio complain she always voted the most conservative candidate--and what have they done but cave to the democrats and squander the majority they've been given. This year being the most 'conservative' is not enough, she said, she wants an effective leader. She wants the illegal immigration issue handled now, pronto, and Trump has made that his signature issue so she's supporting Trump.

No, he hasn't!  He's made "making America great again" his key issue.  When is the last time he's even mentioned immigration?
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2016, 11:45:30 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 22, 2016, 10:43:45 pm
No, he hasn't!  He's made "making America great again" his key issue.  When is the last time he's even mentioned immigration?

He said all he needed to say to make people believe he actually meant it.....   **nononono*
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #47 on: January 23, 2016, 02:51:51 am »
Quote from: musiclady on January 22, 2016, 03:18:30 pm
The moral issue with Trump is not his divorce, but his adultery.  It's not "phony moralizing crap" to question the moral leadership someone who has betrayed the most important relationship in life.

We didn't accept it with Clinton.  At least most of us didn't.

(And the DUI with Bush.......... are you seriously bringing that up as a parallel??  Good grief!)

Adultery also brought down Speaker Newt Gingrich and his replacement Bob Livingston
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« Reply #48 on: January 23, 2016, 03:19:40 am »
Quote from: aligncare on January 22, 2016, 03:03:48 pm
..and can someone please tell me what Trump's failed marriages have to do with his abilities to run a company or a country?

For me, it's not an issue of a failed marriage-- but his affair(s) before he divorced is indicative of his moral character.  You know sort of like Bill saying he didn't have sex .... it boils down again to TRUST.
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Re: As Trump woos primary voters, New York records indicate he has NEVER voted in a Republican presidential primary (and neither have Ivanka or Melania!)
« Reply #49 on: January 23, 2016, 03:23:30 am »
Quote from: aligncare on January 22, 2016, 10:02:50 pm
I heard a Republican woman on the radio complain she always voted the most conservative candidate--and what have they done but cave to the democrats and squander the majority they've been given. This year being the most 'conservative' is not enough, she said, she wants an effective leader. She wants the illegal immigration issue handled now, pronto, and Trump has made that his signature issue so she's supporting Trump.

It's really hard to tell if what Trump says is what he will actually do.  Hussein said he would bring about Hope and Change ... that NEVER has happened; quite the opposite.
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