McConnell: Senate won’t intervene in Cruz 2016 eligibility

[Bigun]

I'm guessing you know I wrote that.  So, your question is confusing me. 

Could I know your point?     I promise I'll answer.

Thanks.

Yes I do know that you wrote it and was just wondering if you, or anyone else here for that matter, is OK with that scenario because it is EXACTLY where this is taking us!

[alicewonders]

Read that far only. This action speaks loudly doesn't it? He is intervening by saying nothing. 

Passive aggression.

[truth_seeker]

I'm not sure I'm remembering this correctly--I read the stuff a while ago, but I think:  The Senate read into the record that George Romney (foreign born, two American parents) was not eligible for the position (after he dropped out);  and McCain was eligible because he was born of two American parents on an American base (essentially US soil).

But I cannot remember if the Senate--as a governing body-- officially spoke to Obama's eligibility.

I agree with those two points, insofar as what Congress did in history.

These questions continue to come about, since there is NOT a single, agreed definition from the Constitution itself, legislation, or the courts.

And no, Emmerich de Vattel was not a founding father, and Dr. Orly Taitz Esq. is not a Constitutional "expert."

[alicewonders]

I'm sure Cruz knew this was coming and has already thought all of this through.  No way is this stuff any kind of "surprise" to him.  It would please me greatly if this was some kind of "trap" that he is setting.  He's not stupid.  I give him way more credit than most people apparently do.

And the fact that the senate isn't going to go out on a limb to help is really just icing on the cake, just gives Cruz more street cred.

 

[Bigun]

I agree with those two points, insofar as what Congress did in history.

These questions continue to come about, since there is NOT a single, agreed definition from the Constitution itself, legislation, or the courts.

And no, Emmerich de Vattel was not a founding father, and Dr. Orly Taitz Esq. is not a Constitutional "expert."

But St. George Tucker surely is!

Here's a quote for his footnote in Chapter 10 of his great work:

BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES:
WITH
NOTES OF REFERENCE,
TO
THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS,
OF THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES;
AND OF THE
COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.
IN FIVE VOLUMES.
WITH AN APPENDIX TO EACH VOLUME,
CONTAINING
SHORT TRACTS UPON SUCH SUBJECTS AS APPEARED NECESSARY
TO FORM A CONNECTED
VIEW OF THE LAWS OF VIRGINIA,
AS A MEMBER OF THE FEDERAL UNION.
BY ST. GEORGE TUCKER,

Persons naturalized according to these acts, are entitled to all the rights of natural born citizens, except, first, that they cannot be elected as representatives in congress until seven years, thereafter. Secondly, nor can they be elected senators of the United States, until nine years thereafter. Thirdly, they are forever incapable of being chosen to the office of president of the United States. Persons naturalized before the adoption of the constitution, it is presumed, have all the capacities of natural born citizens. See C. U. S. Art. 1, 2.

(Underlined portion added by me.)

The work from which this is quoted was THE lawbook is every school of law in the U.S for a VERY long time and is still in very wide use today in such institutions.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yes I do know that you wrote it and was just wondering if you, or anyone else here for that matter, is OK with that scenario because it is EXACTLY where this is taking us! 

OMG....do you think I think Cruz is eligible to run?  I do not.  I think the "foreign born, with a foreign father, American mother" BS needs to stop with Obama if we're to have a chance of stopping this travesty and returning to the wisdom of Founders. 

I've been getting beat up from all over Al Gore's magnificent Internet---so I'd thought I'd try a little sarcasm today.  Sorry for the confusion.

Rafael Edward "Ted" Cruz  is NOT a natural born citizen and is NOT eligible to be POTUS & CIC of the USA---and I will not support making an exception for him any more than I supported making an exception for Barack Hussein Obama.

 

[Bigun]

OMG....do you think I think Cruz is eligible to run?  I do not.  I think the "foreign born, with a foreign father, American mother" BS needs to stop with Obama if we're to have a chance of stopping this travesty and returning to the wisdom of Founders. 

I've been getting beat up from all over Al Gore's magnificent Internet---so I'd thought I'd try a little sarcasm today.  Sorry for the confusion.

Rafael Edward "Ted" Cruz  is NOT a natural born citizen and is NOT eligible to be POTUS & CIC of the USA---and I will not support making an exception for him any more than I supported making an exception for Barack Hussein Obama.

 

OK! That is clear to me now.  And I have to tell you that although I deeply admire Ted Cruz the more I think about it the more I'm drawn to that position myself!

[musiclady]

I'm sure Cruz knew this was coming and has already thought all of this through.  No way is this stuff any kind of "surprise" to him.  It would please me greatly if this was some kind of "trap" that he is setting.  He's not stupid.  I give him way more credit than most people apparently do.

And the fact that the senate isn't going to go out on a limb to help is really just icing on the cake, just gives Cruz more street cred.

 

True dat.

[Paladin]

My guess is McConnell states the Senate won't intervene in the Cruz eligibility issue because the Democrats haven't issued any official position on the matter for him to follow.

[Right_in_Virginia]

OK! That is clear to me now.  And I have to tell you that although I deeply admire Ted Cruz the more I think about it the more I'm drawn to that position myself!

It's a tough one.  I had to remove Ted Cruz entirely from the equation and focus on the principle, the reasoning, the genius of "natural born" as used by the Founders to protect the most powerful position in American government.  Then I asked myself if this was something I was willing to forfeit.   

It became easier after I answered that question.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

My guess is McConnell states the Senate won't intervene in the Cruz eligibility issue because the Democrats haven't issued any official position on the matter for him to follow. 

 

[Bigun]

My guess is McConnell states the Senate won't intervene in the Cruz eligibility issue because the Democrats haven't issued any official position on the matter for him to follow.

Very likely the case! 

[Bigun]

It's a tough one.  I had to remove Ted Cruz entirely from the equation and focus on the principle, the reasoning, the genius of "natural born" as used by the Founders to protect the most powerful position in American government.  Then I asked myself if this was something I was willing to forfeit.   

It became easier after I answered that question.

We've suffered 8 years of Obama! That's been greatly traumatic for me and this nation! I'm still thinking!

[Right_in_Virginia]

We've suffered 8 years of Obama! That's been greatly traumatic for me and this nation! I'm still thinking!

I know.

I used to wonder what would have happened if the country had truly focused not on Sparky's skin color, but on his eligibility.   We may have avoided the whole damn nightmare. 

[katzenjammer]

One of the more interesting aspects of watching this play out over the next several months, is to observe the incredible number of Logical Fallacies that you will read/hear in the commentary of so many legal experts, that should certainly know better than attempt to peddle such tripe!  Very disappointing.

[Sanguine]

 

One of the more interesting aspects of watching this play out over the next several months, is to observe the incredible number of Logical Fallacies that you will read/hear in the commentary of so many legal experts, that should certainly know better than attempt to peddle such tripe!  Very disappointing.

Yes, indeed, Katzenjammer!

[Bigun]

One of the more interesting aspects of watching this play out over the next several months, is to observe the incredible number of Logical Fallacies that you will read/hear in the commentary of so many legal experts, that should certainly know better than attempt to peddle such tripe!  Very disappointing.

Very right! The snake oil salesmen are everywhere!

[libertybele]

There is no candidate and I mean absolutely no candidate that is anymore 'qualified' to be our President than Ted Cruz.  The citizens of this country (legal and illegal) have allowed a Marxist to rule this country for the past 8 years and those same people are going to turn around and stomp all over Cruz because he's a conservative? I'll be damned.  I will fight and support this man till he either wins or loses the election. My bet is that Cruz has already planned for this and quite simply; I TRUST Cruz more than most in government and certainly far more than any of the other candidates, namely; Trump, Carson, Fiorina, Paul, Kasich, Rubio, Christie, Bush or Huckabee.  Out of those 5 are RINO's, 2 are outsiders polling very poorly, 1 who doesn't stand a chance and 1 who is an outspoken flamboyant business tycoon.  As stated before; Regardless  of this issue I  will vote for Cruz and I will do my darndest to help him get elected. 
I support Ted Cruz for many reasons.  As a citizen of the United States, a Solicitor General and as a U.S. Senator, Cruz has fought to defend the very freedoms upon which this country was founded as well as the freedoms that this administration has put in jeopardy.  He hasn't fought for conservatism or claimed to be a conservative just in the past several months, but he has fought for conservatism for most of his life. He has stood up to those in Washington who claim to be conservative but join the liberals at every chance they get. I still stand very strong in my belief that IF we do NOT elect a strong conservative, we WILL not only lose this election, but our country.[/u]

I don't know how this will play out, but my gut tells me, in one way or another, Cruz will be leading this country.  Be it as POTUS or be it as leading a fight to reestablish a collapsed government.

Cruz 2016.  Reigniting the Promise of America!!

[Sanguine]

Very right! The snake oil salesmen are everywhere!

And, who would those "snake oil salesmen" be?  Hopefully not fellow posters with whom you have an honest disagreement.

[libertybele]

If we strictly accept the premise that a 'natural born citizen' means those born on American soil; then we would have to accept that ANY child born to an ILLEGAL alien, ISIS terrorist, Communist, Marxist, Socialist, Fascist, Nazi, etc., on American soil is eligible to be president. In essence children who's parents have absolutely no allegiance to this country, in fact children who's parents are anti-American are eligible to become president because they meet the requirement of being born on American soil.  That's a really tough one to swallow and I find it absolutely appalling. 

[Bigun]

If we strictly accept the premise that a 'natural born citizen' means those born on American soil; then we would have to accept that ANY child born to an ILLEGAL alien, ISIS terrorist, Communist, Marxist, Socialist, Fascist, Nazi, etc., on American soil is eligible to be president. In essence children who's parents have absolutely no allegiance to this country, in fact children who's parents are anti-American are eligible to become president because they meet the requirement of being born on American soil.  That's a really tough one to swallow and I find it absolutely appalling.

Which completely ignores the citizenship of the parents of those children and that is also a vital part of the equation.

[Bigun]

And, who would those "snake oil salesmen" be?  Hopefully not fellow posters with whom you have an honest disagreement.

They would be those who seek to sell snake oil where ever they engage in that activity.

[EC]

Meh, the Dems won't touch it.

All Cruz has to say is he "identifies" as an American .... 

[libertybele]

Which completely ignores the citizenship of the parents of those children and that is also a vital part of the equation.

Taking this a little further; if we consider citizenship of parents, then Rubio would be ineligible.  He was born on American soil, but neither of his parents were American citizens at his time of birth and were Cuban immigrants and later naturalized in 1975.  Cruz on the other hand was born to an American citizen who was born in the United States but gave birth to Cruz in Canada.

[Sanguine]

They would be those who seek to sell snake oil where ever they engage in that activity.