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Interesting Take On Trump
« on: December 27, 2015, 02:12:30 am »
Interesting take on Trump By Bill Bennett
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    They will kill him before they let him be president.  It could be a Republican or a Democrat that instigates the shutting-up of Trump.  Don't be surprised if Trump has an accident.  Some people are getting very nervous: Barack Obama, Valerie Jarrett, Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton and Jon Corzine, to name just a few.
    It's about the unholy dynamics between big government, big business, and big media. They all benefit by the billions of dollars from this partnership, and it’s in all of their interests to protect one another.  It’s one for all and all for one.  It’s a heck of a filthy relationship that makes everyone filthy rich — everyone except the American people.  We get ripped off. We’re the patsies.  But for once, the powerful socialist cabal and the corrupt crony capitalists are scared.  The over-the-top reaction to Trump by politicians of both parties, the media, and the biggest corporations of America has been so swift and insanely angry that it suggests they are all threatened and frightened like never before.
 
    Donald Trump can self-fund. No matter how much they say to the contrary, the media, business, and political elite understand that Trump is no joke.  He could actually win and upset their nice cozy apple cart. It’s no coincidence that everyone has gotten together to destroy The Donald.  It’s because most of the other politicians are part of the “old boys club.”  They talk big, but they won’t change a thing.  They are all beholden to big-money donors. They are all owned by lobbyists, unions, lawyers, gigantic environmental organizations, and multinational corporations . . . like Big Pharma or Big Oil.  Or they are owned lock, stock and barrel by foreigners, like George Soros owns Obama or foreign governments own Hillary with their Clinton Foundation donations.
     These run-of-the-mill establishment politicians are all puppets owned by big money.  But there’s one man who isn’t beholden to anyone.  There’s one man who doesn’t need foreigners, or foreign governments, or George Soros, or the United Auto Workers, or the teachers’ union, or the Service Employees International Union, or the Bar Association to fund his campaign.  Billionaire tycoon and maverick Donald Trump doesn’t need anyone’s help. That means he doesn’t care what the media says.  He doesn’t care what the corporate elites think.  That makes him very dangerous to the entrenched interests. That makes Trump a huge threat to those people. Trump can ruin everything for the bribed politicians and their spoiled slave masters.
 
     Don’t you ever wonder why the GOP has never tried to impeach Obama? Don’t you wonder why John Boehner and Mitch McConnell talk a big game, but never actually try to stop Obama?  Don’t you wonder why Congress holds the purse strings, yet has never tried to defund Obamacare or Obama’s clearly illegal executive action on amnesty for illegal aliens?  Bizarre, right?  It defies logic, right?  First, I’d guess many key Republicans are being bribed. Secondly, I believe many key Republicans are being blackmailed.
 
     Whether they are having affairs, or secretly gay, or stealing taxpayer money, the National Security Agency knows everything. Ask former House Speaker Dennis Hastert about that.  The government even knew he was withdrawing large sums of his own money from his own bank account. The NSA, the SEC, the IRS, and all the other three-letter government agencies are watching every Republican political leader. They surveil everything. Thirdly, many Republicans are petrified of being called “racists” . . . so they are scared to ever criticize Obama or call out his crimes, let alone demand his impeachment. Fourth, why rock the boat? After defeat or retirement, if you’re a “good boy,” you’ve got a $5 million-per-year lobbying job waiting. The big-money interests have the system gamed.  Win or lose, they win.
 
     But Trump doesn’t play by any of these rules.  Trump breaks up this nice, cozy relationship between big government, big media, and big business.  All the rules are out the window if Trump wins the Presidency. The other politicians will protect Obama and his aides — but not Trump.  Remember: Trump is the guy who publicly questioned Obama’s birth certificate.  He questioned Obama’s college records and how a mediocre student got into an Ivy League university.  Now, he’s doing something no Republican has the chutzpah to do.  He’s questioning our relationship with Mexico; he’s questioning why the border is wide open; he’s questioning why no wall has been built across the border; he’s questioning if allowing millions of illegal aliens into America is in our best interests; he’s questioning why so many illegal aliens commit violent crimes, yet are not deported; and he’s questioning why our trade deals with Mexico, Russia and China are so bad.
 
     Trump has the audacity to ask out loud why American workers always get the short end of the stick.  Good question!  I’m certain Trump will question what happened to the almost billion dollars given in a rigged no-bid contract to college friends of Michelle Obama at foreign companies to build the defective Obamacare website.  By the way, that tab is now up to $5 billion.
 
     Trump will ask if Obamacare’s architects can be charged with fraud for selling it by lying.  Trump will investigate Obama’s widespread IRS conspiracy, not to mention Obama’s college records. Trump will prosecute Clinton and Obama for fraud committed to cover up Benghazi before the election.  How about the fraud committed by employees of the Labor Department when they made up dramatic job numbers in the last jobs report before the 2012 election?
      Obama, the multinational corporations, and the media need to stop Trump.  They recognize this could get out of control .  If left unchecked, telling the raw truth and asking questions everyone else is afraid to ask, Trump could wake a sleeping giant.
 
      Trump’s election would be a nightmare.  Obama has committed many crimes.  No one else but Trump would dare to prosecute.  He will not hesitate.  Once Trump gets in and gets a look at “the cooked books” and Obama’s records, the game is over.  The gig is up. The goose is cooked. Holder could wind up in prison. Jarrett could wind up in prison.  Obama bundler Corzine could wind up in prison for losing $1.5 billion of customer money.  Clinton could wind up in jail for deleting 32,000 emails, or for accepting bribes from foreign governments while Secretary of State, or for “misplacing” $6 billion as the head of the State Department, or for lying about Benghazi.  The entire upper level management of the IRS could wind up in prison.
 
      Obamacare will be defunded and dismantled.  And Obama himself  could wind up ruined, his legacy in tatters.  Trump will investigate. Trump will prosecute.  Trump will go after everyone involved. That’s why the dogs of hell have been unleashed on Donald Trump.  Yes, it’s become open season on Donald Trump.  The left and the right are determined to attack his policies, harm his businesses, and, if possible, even keep him out of the coming debates.  But they can’t silence him.   And they sure can’t intimidate him.  The more they try, the more the public will realize that he’s the one telling the truth.

http://www.freezonemediacenternews.com/2015/11/will-trump-survive-donald-trump-can-he.html

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Re: Interesting Take On Trump
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2015, 02:20:02 am »
Fringe publication. Fringe kooky ideas. Administrations do not "go after" previous administrations.

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Re: Interesting Take On Trump
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2015, 02:21:41 am »
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Obamacare will be defunded and dismantled.

And replaced with Trump's single payer healthcare plan, which he championed as late as August.

This is truly one of the dumbest-assed articles ever posted on this site.
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Re: Interesting Take On Trump
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2015, 03:17:06 am »
This author describes Trump in ways that used to apply only to Chuck Norris.   :laugh:
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2015, 06:20:37 am »
This author describes Trump in ways that used to apply only to Chuck Norris.   :laugh:
I'm stealing that.

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Re: Interesting Take On Trump
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2015, 07:02:49 am »
And replaced with Trump's single payer healthcare plan, which he championed as late as August.

This is truly one of the dumbest-assed articles ever posted on this site.

An absolute lie that I demolished weeks ago by posting the entire quote where Trump also says private Insurance companies will insure most Americans.  Of course, in no surprise, sink spur slinked away and never addressed that part of Trump's statement.  If Trump said he was for single payer at this point in time, there would be negative ads all over TV showing those words.  The only place I see that claim is from sink spur, and anything he posts re: Trump comes from a place or rabid anger.

Why myst allows this insincere poster free reign here is why I'm here much less often.  He makes a claim, it gets proven he is lying, and he disappears from the thread only to repeat the same lies in a matter of weeks.  Or he'll start calling those exposing his lies "clowns" and "stupid" as his GOPe falls further into irrelevance.

So, for all of the Guests who apparently are having your votes influenced by this poster (his claim), please note the many examples of his dishonesty on this board, and vet his claims (along with every other posters' claims, mine included) before believing them.  If you're happy about the Omnibus Bill, sink spur is a good poster for you all to follow.  If you're for raising federal taxes on $200m now construction projects, sink is the man for you.
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Re: Interesting Take On Trump
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2015, 01:00:40 pm »

Author articulated exactly why Donald Trump has such support and appeal among so many disparate groups. From independents and right and left leaning voters, to (specifically) Republicans. And to a huge swath from the non-aligned middle.

We need to send Washington a bull in the china shop. And Donald Trump is just the man with the chutzpah to break all the china.

The more Donald is attacked by establishment and government forces, the stronger his support gets with the people.

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Re: Interesting Take On Trump
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2015, 01:31:44 pm »

This is truly one of the dumbest-assed articles ever posted on this site.


Funny.  I thought it was just the opposite, my 'friend'.    :whistle: 
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2015, 02:00:33 pm »
An absolute lie that I demolished weeks ago by posting the entire quote where Trump also says private Insurance companies will insure most Americans.  Of course, in no surprise, sink spur slinked away and never addressed that part of Trump's statement.  If Trump said he was for single payer at this point in time, there would be negative ads all over TV showing those words.  The only place I see that claim is from sink spur, and anything he posts re: Trump comes from a place or rabid anger.

Why myst allows this insincere poster free reign here is why I'm here much less often.  He makes a claim, it gets proven he is lying, and he disappears from the thread only to repeat the same lies in a matter of weeks.  Or he'll start calling those exposing his lies "clowns" and "stupid" as his GOPe falls further into irrelevance.

So, for all of the Guests who apparently are having your votes influenced by this poster (his claim), please note the many examples of his dishonesty on this board, and vet his claims (along with every other posters' claims, mine included) before believing them.  If you're happy about the Omnibus Bill, sink spur is a good poster for you all to follow.  If you're for raising federal taxes on $200m now construction projects, sink is the man for you.

Here's an article from Trumpbart PROVING YOU WRONG:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/28/trump-pushes-single-payer-healthcare-tax-increase-on-wealthy/


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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2015, 02:02:51 pm »
Funny.  I thought it was just the opposite, my 'friend'.    :whistle:

Of course, DC.

I notice how you're into vicious politics these days.
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2015, 02:17:17 pm »
An absolute lie that I demolished weeks ago by posting the entire quote where Trump also says private Insurance companies will insure most Americans.  Of course, in no surprise, sink spur slinked away and never addressed that part of Trump's statement.  If Trump said he was for single payer at this point in time, there would be negative ads all over TV showing those words.  The only place I see that claim is from sink spur, and anything he posts re: Trump comes from a place or rabid anger.

Why myst allows this insincere poster free reign here is why I'm here much less often.  He makes a claim, it gets proven he is lying, and he disappears from the thread only to repeat the same lies in a matter of weeks.  Or he'll start calling those exposing his lies "clowns" and "stupid" as his GOPe falls further into irrelevance.

So, for all of the Guests who apparently are having your votes influenced by this poster (his claim), please note the many examples of his dishonesty on this board, and vet his claims (along with every other posters' claims, mine included) before believing them.  If you're happy about the Omnibus Bill, sink spur is a good poster for you all to follow.  If you're for raising federal taxes on $200m now construction projects, sink is the man for you.

Don't let him get to you in any form and do not feed him by replying to any of his post. This person is not all there. Maybe TRUMP fired him for non performance or something and he has way to much time on his hands to be constructive. He responds to every post the same way and thinks he is influencing people which he is NOT. That is real world in which he refuses to take part so just move on.

You contribute to much to this forum for a individual like he/she to get you upset. He could be a paid TROLL against TRUMP being sponsored by the RINOGOPe or DEMS. Who know or care's. Hang in there! :beer:

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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2015, 02:20:20 pm »
Don't let him get to you in any form and do not feed him by replying to any of his post. This person is not all there. Maybe TRUMP fired him for non performance or something and he has way to much time on his hands to be constructive. He responds to every post the same way and thinks he is influencing people which he is NOT. That is real world in which he refuses to take part so just move on.

You contribute to much to this forum for a individual like he/she to get you upset. He could be a paid TROLL against TRUMP being sponsored by the RINOGOPe or DEMS. Who know or care's. Hang in there! :beer:

Says the poster who said on this very forum that he would vote for Hillary if Trump is not the nominee.
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2015, 05:16:32 pm »
Of course, DC.

I notice how you're into vicious politics these days.

Damned right, I am.

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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2015, 06:35:48 pm »
Trump is definitely running as a populist nativist. Whether he actually is one remains to be seen.  He has a penchant for saying whatever he thinks will play to the disenfranchised, uneducated yahoos.  But there is nothing --absolutely nothing -- in his record to suggest he is anti-establishment.  Quite the contrary, in fact.

My guess is he will have extravagant parties at the WH and invite all the Clintons, Shumers, Boehners and McConnells over and they will all marvel at how The Donald won "Presidential Apprentice."  They will all laugh at his tactics and how artfully he convinced the idiots in flyover country that he was actually one of them.

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2015, 07:05:00 pm »
Don't let him get to you in any form and do not feed him by replying to any of his post. This person is not all there. Maybe TRUMP fired him for non performance or something and he has way to much time on his hands to be constructive. He responds to every post the same way and thinks he is influencing people which he is NOT. That is real world in which he refuses to take part so just move on.

You contribute to much to this forum for a individual like he/she to get you upset. He could be a paid TROLL against TRUMP being sponsored by the RINOGOPe or DEMS. Who know or care's. Hang in there! :beer:

Oh believe me I have alot of unanswered questions myself.
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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2015, 07:08:38 pm »
Oh believe me I have alot of unanswered questions myself.

Ask 'em.  Don't side with this site's leading conspiracy theorist.
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2015, 07:12:44 pm »
Ask 'em.  Don't side with this site's leading conspiracy theorist.

I'll do as I please, thank you. As I said, you're not the sinkspur I remember.
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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2015, 07:14:50 pm »
I'll do as I please, thank you. As I said, you're not the sinkspur I remember.

Maybe it's not me that's changed.

You have unanswered questions but you won't ask them.

Odd.

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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2015, 07:22:37 pm »
Maybe it's not me that's changed.

You have unanswered questions but you won't ask them.

Odd.

See, right there, the phrase turning. That's not how I remember the old splinky from the Webforums and early FR days. He was a rock ribbed conservative who didn't resort to those kind of jr. high left-wing tactics. We interacted many times back then. You remind me more of a guy named Reagan Hater, a super liberal troll that was obviously a paid provocateur. Just curious as why the discrepancy between now and then?
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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2015, 07:59:11 pm »
In my corporate management days, we were taught a concept from Blanchard and Hersey, called "Situational Leadership Theory," the title of a book (The Situational Leader). Blanchard was the guy for "One Minute Manager."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situational_leadership_theory

"Effective leadership is task-relevant, and the most successful leaders are those who adapt their leadership style to the maturity ("the capacity to set high but attainable goals, willingness and ability to take responsibility for the task, and relevant education and/or experience of an individual or a group for the task") of the individual or group they are attempting to lead or influence. Effective leadership varies, not only with the person or group that is being influenced, but it also depends on the task, job or function that needs to be accomplished.[4]

The Hersey-Blanchard Situational Leadership Model rests on two fundamental concepts; leadership style and the individual or group's maturity level."

This struck me, thinking about Trump's success in this campaign. He has accurately sized up a significant fraction of our electorate. Not sophisticated or nuanced politically, but angry and looking for change.

The lesson for me alone is this: Forget about reading the WSJ Opinion pages, or other intellectual sources. This is not an election of that nature. Conservatives used to be educated business managers, professionals etc. Now they are just angry various types, pissed off about just about everything.

Justifiably.
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« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2015, 08:58:21 pm »

But doesn't that imply they're not mature?

The word "mature" is intended to be task-specific. If I bring in a new worker, he/she may have training or experience in some things, but not others. Many Americans are not "mature" in politics. Hence keep it simple, results oriented.

Trump really hit a note over the murder in San Francisco by an illegal immigrant. It avoided all of the wonky policy stuff about terms and conditions for amnesty, etc.

It went straight to the heart: "our system is letting very bad people in and not protecting us from them."

That resonates more than policy wonk stuff. It resonates with political opponents, by illustrating human tragedy, not going on and on over policy and procedure.

And it highlighted the reality of administrative incompetence, which about results; "am I safe or not?"

Trump resonates at an emotional level. Sometimes like a cheerleader. "We can turn this game around. You and me. Let's get started."
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« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2015, 09:06:52 pm »
See, right there, the phrase turning. That's not how I remember the old splinky from the Webforums and early FR days. He was a rock ribbed conservative who didn't resort to those kind of jr. high left-wing tactics. We interacted many times back then. You remind me more of a guy named Reagan Hater, a super liberal troll that was obviously a paid provocateur. Just curious as why the discrepancy between now and then?

There is no discrepancy. I haven't changed. I am still conservative, just not a nutty conservative.  We had nutty conservatives at FR who resemble some here. Conspiracy theorists who hated all Republicans but goofballs like Tom Tancredo and Pat Buchanan. 

Now we have goofballs like Trump.  And he's not even a conservative.
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« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2015, 09:10:34 pm »
The word "mature" is intended to be task-specific. If I bring in a new worker, he/she may have training or experience in some things, but not others. Many Americans are not "mature" in politics. Hence keep it simple, results oriented.

Trump really hit a note over the murder in San Francisco by an illegal immigrant. It avoided all of the wonky policy stuff about terms and conditions for amnesty, etc.

It went straight to the heart: "our system is letting very bad people in and not protecting us from them."

That resonates more than policy wonk stuff. It resonates with political opponents, by illustrating human tragedy, not going on and on over policy and procedure.

And it highlighted the reality of administrative incompetence, which about results; "am I safe or not?"

Trump resonates at an emotional level. Sometimes like a cheerleader. "We can turn this game around. You and me. Let's get started."

Trump thrives on simple solutions to complex problems.  Yeah, he likes to pretend he can do things on his own, never mentioning that he has to work with a Congress which likely won't go along with much of what he promises. 

Trump supporters, though, want their own version of Obama: forget the law, just do what you want.
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« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2015, 09:14:54 pm »
There is no discrepancy. I haven't changed. I am still conservative, just not a nutty conservative.  We had nutty conservatives at FR who resemble some here. Conspiracy theorists who hated all Republicans but goofballs like Tom Tancredo and Pat Buchanan. 

Now we have goofballs like Trump.  And he's not even a conservative.

Yet you never argued like this, nor was this ever your posting style. You never used liberal tactics, at least not what I saw.

Now there's this article that I stumbled across that I linked into the Former Zotted Members thread: via the History of FR web page that gives a completely different take:

http://www.angelqueen.org/articles/05-06_sinkspur.shtml

Sorry to be so nitpicky, but after what happened at FR, I just want to know exactly who the hell I'm dealing with.
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« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2015, 09:16:34 pm »
Yet you never argued like this, nor was this ever your posting style. You never used liberal tactics, at least not what I saw.

Now there's this article that I stumbled across that I linked into the Former Zotted Members thread: via the History of FR web page that gives a completely different take:

http://www.angelqueen.org/articles/05-06_sinkspur.shtml

Sorry to be so nitpicky, but after what happened at FR, I just want to know exactly who the hell I'm dealing with.

You can always ignore me if you don't like my style.  Many here have.

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