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CNBC’s Sorkin: Middle Class Is a ‘Historical Aberration’
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CNBC’s Sorkin: Middle Class Is a ‘Historical Aberration’
By Sam Dorman | December 23, 2015 | 6:16 PM EST
 

Politicians often complain about America’s struggling middle class, but according to Squawk Box host Andrew Ross Sorkin, they should quit crying over spilt milk. Sorkin argued on Dec. 23 that the mid-20th century idea of middle class was a historical anomaly.

“This middle class that we keep talking about, this Leave it to Beaver middle class that was this panacea that people talk about is actually, I would argue to you, an historical aberration,” Sorkin said. Sorkin made the argument after co-host Joe Kernen and Aspen Institute CEO Walter Isaacson decried the current state of America’s middle class.

“I’m just looking around at the current ... is milieu a word?” Kernen asked. Kernen described white, men without college degrees as having “the most fatalistic view of their future in the history of the country.” He also said the country was more divided than before President Obama took office, and that Republicans are further to the right on immigration.

“How the hell did we get here?” Kernen wondered.

“I think these are all connected,” Isaacson replied.

Issacson then harkened back to a time when Americans faced smoother economic prospects. “It used to be in this country that you could play by the rules, get a job, know your kids were going to be better off than you,” Isaacson said.

Sorkin seemed to refute Isaacson’s and Kernen’s unspoken assumption that a thriving middle class was the rule, not the exception in economic history. According to Sorkin, the end of WWII gave America an edge in global economic competition, and allowed the country to strengthen its middle class.

“The middle class, labor unions, all the rise in the middle class, 1940s, ‘50s, ‘60s, you go to school, you check the box, everything works out. That only worked because basically the rest of the world was out of business after World War II,” Sorkin argued.

“We were a monopoly, and we used that monopoly power to raise the middle class, but I’m not sure it’s a sustainable middle class.”

CNBC has expressed mixed sympathies with regard to the middle class. In 2010, Kernen said President Obama was giving the middle class a break at the expense of the rich. “We're going to cut for the middle class and we're going to pay for it by soaking the rich,” Kernen said referring to the administration’s economic policy. “The overriding mandate of this administration - it's a redistribution of wealth."

On the other hand, correspondent John Harwood and Mad Money host Jim Cramer have pushed more liberal narratives surrounding income inequality.  Earlier this year, Harwood championed income redistribution to support a ‘stagnating’ middle class.

"If you want to change the distribution of income in this country,” Harwood opined, “You've got to take from some to give to the other, and that's precisely what the president wants to do. Middle class families … have stagnated for a long time … while people at the top have done much better.”

Isaacson is a former CEO of CNN, and former managing editor for Time Magazine. Last year, Isaacson penned an op-ed for Time, titled “Obama Can Still Secure His Legacy,” in which he declared, “Fighting for a fair deal for every American goes to the core of what [Obama] believes.”
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Re: CNBC’s Sorkin: Middle Class Is a ‘Historical Aberration’
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2015, 01:05:49 pm »
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According to Sorkin, the end of WWII gave America an edge in global economic competition, and allowed the country to strengthen its middle class.

“The middle class, labor unions, all the rise in the middle class, 1940s, ‘50s, ‘60s, you go to school, you check the box, everything works out. That only worked because basically the rest of the world was out of business after World War II,” Sorkin argued.

“We were a monopoly, and we used that monopoly power to raise the middle class, but I’m not sure it’s a sustainable middle class.”
He's right. Add on top of Europe's welfare-state regulations and reduced expectations became the "new normal" as leaner economies like America's capitalized. Then Asian economies like Japan and Red China got in on the competition, and that's how we ended up losing the secure working class.

It's something that the left should consider when they say that we had 90% tax rates in the 1950s and our economy thrived.
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Re: CNBC’s Sorkin: Middle Class Is a ‘Historical Aberration’
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2015, 04:42:02 am »
I said this years ago - liberals were moving away from the concept of raising incomes for the middle class via jobs, because they no longer economically offer anything to working Americans. They now focus on the environment, welfare, race, and social issues like gay marriage and abortion in the hope of cobbling enough of a coalition to win. That hasn't been particularly successful except at the Presidential level where it's much easier to cheat.
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Re: CNBC’s Sorkin: Middle Class Is a ‘Historical Aberration’
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2015, 05:29:39 am »
"Class" is an artificial construct created by Marx.  "Class" didn't exist in America at its founding.  Slices of various strata at a point in time were never anything more than a snapshot, in time.  Citizens, all members of the civil society, were free to "sink or swim" based on their God-given talents and aptitudes, and willingness to make the most of them, or not.

In its essence, it is still true today.  However, we have been propagandized far afield from that essential truth.

Reject the Marxist construct, in its entirety.

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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2015, 05:35:21 am »
Don't forget - Marx was working from the European social model, where class most definitely exists (even now). Attempting to apply Marx to a classless society such as the US (ideally) has, is foolish, as you stated.
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Re: CNBC’s Sorkin: Middle Class Is a ‘Historical Aberration’
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2015, 05:42:24 am »
Absolutely, EC.  Question for you:  in your lifetime, have you seen the construct of "class" lessen, or strengthen, in your daily comings and goings?

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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2015, 05:48:37 am »
Interesting question.

I'd not say the concept has weakened or strengthened as such, there are still very clear class demarcations in everyday use. You can usually watch or interact with someone for a short period - say the length of time it takes to get a fresh coffee - and have 99% confidence in knowing what class the person is and, more importantly, what class they were originally.

That is where the difference is, in my view. Class is no longer as rigid as it was back when I was born. There is no stigma any more in moving up a class, or indeed down a class, though serious class jumping is still looked on askance.
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Re: CNBC’s Sorkin: Middle Class Is a ‘Historical Aberration’
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2015, 05:56:51 am »
Thanks.  Pretty much what I can recall from spending a fair amount of time in the United Kingdom over the years.

(And more akin to the experience of our civil society here in the States than most of us wish to acknowledge in the main!)  ;)