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CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« on: December 24, 2015, 03:05:19 pm »
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CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
Wednesday, December 23, 2015 05:24 PM

By: Greg Richter

A new CNN/ORC poll shows Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton maintaining her commanding lead, though she would face a challenge from the top three Republicans if a general election were held today.

Clinton's national support had been waning, but she was able to boost her numbers following Saturday's Democratic debate.

The poll talked to registered voters who are Democrats or independents who lean Democratic.

    Hillary Clinton: 50 percent
    Bernie Sanders 34 percent
    Martin O'Malley 3 percent


Here's how Clinton fares in head-to-head matchups with the top three Republicans among registered voters:

    Hillary Clinton has 49 percent against Donald Trump at 47 percent

    Hillary Clinton has 46 percent against Ted Cruz at 48 percent

    Hillary Clinton has 46 percent against Marco Rubio at 49 percent


The poll was conducted by phone December 17-21 and talked to 1,018 adults. The margin of error for the entire sample was plus-or-minus 3 percentage points. The margin for the 414 registered Democrats or Democratic leaning independents is plus-or-minus 5 percentage points.
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2015, 03:25:24 pm »
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2015, 03:56:11 pm »
I know I will take flak from some, but I would proudly press the lever for either Cruz or Rubio and be thrilled when either of them beats Hillary.

They are the two who can.  And one of them will.
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2015, 03:57:59 pm »
I know I will take flak from some, but I would proudly press the lever for either Cruz or Rubio and be thrilled when either of them beats Hillary.

They are the two who can.  And one of them will.

Rubio makes me just as uneasy as Trump does, for different reasons.


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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2015, 04:02:49 pm »
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2015, 04:10:55 pm »
As good as a candidate Cruz is and would make a great POTUS he will not beat Hillary and neither will the TRAITOR. Main reason is Name RECOGNITION. Have about 60 Million that vote in the election for POTUS. Cruz has about 25-30 Million that have no clue who he is. Even though HILLARY is a Liar, Corrupt and is a Murder the VOTERS know the name. It is hard to digest that when most know she would be terrible but one has to recognize and realize who the voting electorate is and their intelligence level on politics. More than half that vote do not have a clue of why they are voting for that person or what that person represents.  MOST are not  even a little bit informed. Would have Regan been elected if he were not a actor for years before politics?? NO! The things most feel important like ISSUSES only really matter if both candidate have NO name recognition or BOTH do have name recognition. If ONE has the recognition and the other does not the usual WINNER will be the most recognized candidate. Thus CRUZ vs HILLARY. Other than that it is likeability is next in line for electing a POTUS. This is hard to understand and grasp even if you are somewhat informed. TRUMP is the only candidate that can beat HILLARY at this point in time. Reason is Name recognition and anyone is more likeable that HILLARY. CRUZ if VP choice and getting more recognition by being with TRUMP will set him up for the POTUS in the future. The RINOGOPe knows this and also knows if they can take TRUMP out even with CRUZ, Hillary will beat him in the GENERAL and they can live with that because the PARTY of ONE stays intact. :patriot:
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2015, 04:38:58 pm »
Those races, including Trump/Hillary are ALL within the margin of error and it is a poll of adults.  The Republicans - all of them - probably run stronger with likely voters than all adults.  I think the take away at this point is that ALL of the Republicans, Trump, Cruz and Rubio can defeat Hillary.
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2015, 04:48:58 pm »
Those races, including Trump/Hillary are ALL within the margin of error and it is a poll of adults.  The Republicans - all of them - probably run stronger with likely voters than all adults.  I think the take away at this point is that ALL of the Republicans, Trump, Cruz and Rubio can defeat Hillary.

I think that's very true!  :beer:
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2015, 05:00:27 pm »
I always look at polls with a shady eye, but that our top tier candidates are all within MOE of Hillary is huge. She is the clear Dem frontrunner with huge name recognition v. a very large and shifting field of GOP candidates. She should be up 10 points or more right now on that alone, but she's not.

My gut says this woman is not resonating with the American people, and it's only going to get worse as the GOP field becomes more defined.
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2015, 05:03:59 pm »
I always look at polls with a shady eye, but that our top tier candidates are all within MOE of Hillary is huge. She is the clear Dem frontrunner with huge name recognition v. a very large and shifting field of GOP candidates. She should be up 10 points or more right now on that alone, but she's not.

My gut says this woman is not resonating with the American people, and it's only going to get worse as the GOP field becomes more defined.

She also has a HELL of a lot of baggage so my gut agrees with yours!
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2015, 05:09:03 pm »
I know I will take flak from some, but I would proudly press the lever for either Cruz or Rubio and be thrilled when either of them beats Hillary.

They are the two who can.  And one of them will.

I of course prefer Cruz.  Marco is coming across conservatively to get into the oval office just as he did when he was running for the Senate and afterwards he caved.  I am afraid he would continue to cave as president.  I see Cruz with definitely more leadership qualities and better prepared to be our next president. Both are good orators and are very 'presidential' but Cruz has better debating skills. The GOPe base loves Rubio and I would pull the lever for Rubio over Hillary or Sanders in a heart beat.  He is conservative on other issues such as second amendment, education, environment, and health care. I am concerned of course with his illegal immigration policy and his stance on defense and foreign policy, all of which I feel make him weak on national security.  Cruz is the stronger conservative as he has never caved to the left and I sure don't see him changing his tune once seated as president.
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2015, 05:21:08 pm »
As good as a candidate Cruz is and would make a great POTUS he will not beat Hillary and neither will the TRAITOR. Main reason is Name RECOGNITION. Have about 60 Million that vote in the election for POTUS. Cruz has about 25-30 Million that have no clue who he is. Even though HILLARY is a Liar, Corrupt and is a Murder the VOTERS know the name. It is hard to digest that when most know she would be terrible but one has to recognize and realize who the voting electorate is and their intelligence level on politics. More than half that vote do not have a clue of why they are voting for that person or what that person represents.  MOST are not  even a little bit informed. Would have Regan been elected if he were not a actor for years before politics?? NO! The things most feel important like ISSUSES only really matter if both candidate have NO name recognition or BOTH do have name recognition. If ONE has the recognition and the other does not the usual WINNER will be the most recognized candidate. Thus CRUZ vs HILLARY. Other than that it is likeability is next in line for electing a POTUS. This is hard to understand and grasp even if you are somewhat informed. TRUMP is the only candidate that can beat HILLARY at this point in time. Reason is Name recognition and anyone is more likeable that HILLARY. CRUZ if VP choice and getting more recognition by being with TRUMP will set him up for the POTUS in the future. The RINOGOPe knows this and also knows if they can take TRUMP out even with CRUZ, Hillary will beat him in the GENERAL and they can live with that because the PARTY of ONE stays intact. :patriot:

???Not quite following what you posted; but Cruz has plenty of name recognition, obviously as he is polling in the #2 spot.  Rubio also has name recognition and is the GOPe's hope.  As for likeability; obviously a lot of people like Trump, Cruz and Rubio or they wouldn't be leading. The likeability factor for Hillary is she's a woman and the DEMS loved her husband. Let's face it Trump has hammered on a couple of females which hasn't done him any favors.  According to the 'Kelly Files', on Fox Hussein won because of the female vote. 

If Trump were to win the primary I am not sold on the idea that Cruz would take the VP spot.  Certainly it would be a very smart move on Trump's part as he would pick up Cruz's supporters.  Cruz naming Trump as his VP I just don't see happening and certainly he will NOT pick anyone from the GOPe.  He will cleverly and with much thought pick a VP that will make him unbeatable.

Back to the whole idea of name recognition; I disagree.  Hussein had virtually no name recognition whatsoever, and we see how that turned out.
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2015, 05:30:14 pm »
I always look at polls with a shady eye, but that our top tier candidates are all within MOE of Hillary is huge. She is the clear Dem frontrunner with huge name recognition v. a very large and shifting field of GOP candidates. She should be up 10 points or more right now on that alone, but she's not.

My gut says this woman is not resonating with the American people, and it's only going to get worse as the GOP field becomes more defined.

Oh, I definitely agree with you.  The media is propping up Hilary, but I don't think we can count her out; other than Sanders, she's all the DEMS have and perhaps many will stay home.  But, and I have said this before; the VP she picks could be the momentum that she will need to excite the DEM voting base. IF she names Elizabeth 'Wigwam' Warren or Julian Castro as her VP she is going to be very difficult to beat.  Warren would move her more to the left and you would have the addition of political correctness; the first female tag team and Castro would give her the Hispanic vote.

IF in the event Clinton isn't the DEM nominee, I see Sanders naming Warren as his VP and he also will give the GOP a run for their money.
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2015, 05:38:05 pm »
Oh, I definitely agree with you.  The media is propping up Hilary, but I don't think we can count her out; other than Sanders, she's all the DEMS have and perhaps many will stay home.  But, and I have said this before; the VP she picks could be the momentum that she will need to excite the DEM voting base. IF she names Elizabeth 'Wigwam' Warren or Julian Castro as her VP she is going to be very difficult to beat.  Warren would move her more to the left and you would have the addition of political correctness; the first female tag team and Castro would give her the Hispanic vote.

IF in the event Clinton isn't the DEM nominee, I see Sanders naming Warren as his VP and he also will give the GOP a run for their money.

You can't count her out because:

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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2015, 05:45:16 pm »
Oh, I definitely agree with you.  The media is propping up Hilary, but I don't think we can count her out; other than Sanders, she's all the DEMS have and perhaps many will stay home.  But, and I have said this before; the VP she picks could be the momentum that she will need to excite the DEM voting base. IF she names Elizabeth 'Wigwam' Warren or Julian Castro as her VP she is going to be very difficult to beat.  Warren would move her more to the left and you would have the addition of political correctness; the first female tag team and Castro would give her the Hispanic vote.

IF in the event Clinton isn't the DEM nominee, I see Sanders naming Warren as his VP and he also will give the GOP a run for their money.
Hadn't thought of that...her picking warren. Who is this Julian Castro?


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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2015, 05:57:25 pm »
Hadn't thought of that...her picking warren. Who is this Julian Castro?

Julian Castro is the U.S. Secretary of State and Urban Development.  IMO, he would be far more dangerous than Warren. Castro's mother was a Chicana political activist who helped establish the Chicano political party "La Raza Unida".  He has a twin brother, Joaquin Castor who is a U.S.Representative.

..."Julian Castro, along with his twin brother Joaquin have been born and bred to be Socialist Revolutionaries by their radical activist mother, Rosie. Their mother was a well known radical leftist community organizer in Texas in the 1970’s.

Their mother was one of the original founders of one of the most radical separatist groups in the world, The National Council of La Raza. La Raza literally means, “the race.”

On the surface this organization seems like as they say on their own website a non-partisan community outreach group. They claim there main focus is to improve the health, well being, and education of Hispanic Americans. But, just like the Council of Islamic Relations, which claims almost the same things but for Muslims, there hides a shadowy past and a true objective.

The NCLR is one of the largest open border advocacy groups in America. They oppose any type of immigration control and are a huge lobbying force in Washington, DC. The NCLR has spent millions and millions of dollars on get out the vote operations in all 50 states, and have given millions of tax payer funded dollars to most Democratic candidates and other Pro-Amnesty groups along with many pro-Amnesty Republicans.[/u...

http://www.teapartytribune.com/2014/05/25/why-julian-and-joaquin-castro-could-be-more-dangerous-than-fidel-and-raul/
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2015, 06:11:50 pm »
Julian Castro is the U.S. Secretary of State and Urban Development.  IMO, he would be far more dangerous than Warren. Castro's mother was a Chicana political activist who helped establish the Chicano political party "La Raza Unida".  He has a twin brother, Joaquin Castor who is a U.S.Representative.

..."Julian Castro, along with his twin brother Joaquin have been born and bred to be Socialist Revolutionaries by their radical activist mother, Rosie. Their mother was a well known radical leftist community organizer in Texas in the 1970’s.

Their mother was one of the original founders of one of the most radical separatist groups in the world, The National Council of La Raza. La Raza literally means, “the race.”

On the surface this organization seems like as they say on their own website a non-partisan community outreach group. They claim there main focus is to improve the health, well being, and education of Hispanic Americans. But, just like the Council of Islamic Relations, which claims almost the same things but for Muslims, there hides a shadowy past and a true objective.

The NCLR is one of the largest open border advocacy groups in America. They oppose any type of immigration control and are a huge lobbying force in Washington, DC. The NCLR has spent millions and millions of dollars on get out the vote operations in all 50 states, and have given millions of tax payer funded dollars to most Democratic candidates and other Pro-Amnesty groups along with many pro-Amnesty Republicans.[/u...

http://www.teapartytribune.com/2014/05/25/why-julian-and-joaquin-castro-could-be-more-dangerous-than-fidel-and-raul/
OK now I know why his name looked familiar. Wow didn't know he was U.S. Secretary of State and Urban Development.  He does make perfect sense as VP. I think just yesterday hil was pandering to Mexican calling herself everyones grandmother in Mexican.


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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2015, 06:17:32 pm »
Julian Castro is the U.S. Secretary of State and Urban Development.  IMO, he would be far more dangerous than Warren. Castro's mother was a Chicana political activist who helped establish the Chicano political party "La Raza Unida".  He has a twin brother, Joaquin Castor who is a U.S.Representative.

..."Julian Castro, along with his twin brother Joaquin have been born and bred to be Socialist Revolutionaries by their radical activist mother, Rosie. Their mother was a well known radical leftist community organizer in Texas in the 1970’s.

Their mother was one of the original founders of one of the most radical separatist groups in the world, The National Council of La Raza. La Raza literally means, “the race.”

On the surface this organization seems like as they say on their own website a non-partisan community outreach group. They claim there main focus is to improve the health, well being, and education of Hispanic Americans. But, just like the Council of Islamic Relations, which claims almost the same things but for Muslims, there hides a shadowy past and a true objective.

The NCLR is one of the largest open border advocacy groups in America. They oppose any type of immigration control and are a huge lobbying force in Washington, DC. The NCLR has spent millions and millions of dollars on get out the vote operations in all 50 states, and have given millions of tax payer funded dollars to most Democratic candidates and other Pro-Amnesty groups along with many pro-Amnesty Republicans.[/u...

http://www.teapartytribune.com/2014/05/25/why-julian-and-joaquin-castro-could-be-more-dangerous-than-fidel-and-raul/
Thanks for that info. Had forgotten about LaRaza of late.


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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2015, 06:17:59 pm »
As good as a candidate Cruz is and would make a great POTUS he will not beat Hillary and neither will the TRAITOR. Main reason is Name RECOGNITION. Have about 60 Million that vote in the election for POTUS. Cruz has about 25-30 Million that have no clue who he is. Even though HILLARY is a Liar, Corrupt and is a Murder the VOTERS know the name. It is hard to digest that when most know she would be terrible but one has to recognize and realize who the voting electorate is and their intelligence level on politics. More than half that vote do not have a clue of why they are voting for that person or what that person represents.  MOST are not  even a little bit informed. Would have Regan been elected if he were not a actor for years before politics?? NO! The things most feel important like ISSUSES only really matter if both candidate have NO name recognition or BOTH do have name recognition. If ONE has the recognition and the other does not the usual WINNER will be the most recognized candidate. Thus CRUZ vs HILLARY. Other than that it is likeability is next in line for electing a POTUS. This is hard to understand and grasp even if you are somewhat informed. TRUMP is the only candidate that can beat HILLARY at this point in time. Reason is Name recognition and anyone is more likeable that HILLARY. CRUZ if VP choice and getting more recognition by being with TRUMP will set him up for the POTUS in the future. The RINOGOPe knows this and also knows if they can take TRUMP out even with CRUZ, Hillary will beat him in the GENERAL and they can live with that because the PARTY of ONE stays intact. :patriot:

If name recognition's the big thing then we should all be supporting Jeb Bush.   Trump's name is known because he's a media whore and a game show host.   He's not known as someone who's remotely qualified to be President.   

Trump's appeal to the angry base is the appeal of an irresponsible bender.  Great fun, but most of us are responsible enough to understand that the Leader of the Free World can't be a guy with an ego the size of a dirigible and the volatility of, well, a hydrogen-filled dirigible. 
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2015, 07:17:36 pm »
If name recognition's the big thing then we should all be supporting Jeb Bush.   Trump's name is known because he's a media whore and a game show host.   He's not known as someone who's remotely qualified to be President.   

Trump's appeal to the angry base is the appeal of an irresponsible bender.  Great fun, but most of us are responsible enough to understand that the Leader of the Free World can't be a guy with an ego the size of a dirigible and the volatility of, well, a hydrogen-filled dirigible.

If it were not for Trump you would drinking the BUSHIE kool aid by now. Cruz would have been taken out and you would be told to shut up and take one for the team  GOPe.  That was and still is the plan. If they can only take Trump out the rest will be easy. Then the Media comes back into play and they are part of the RINOGOPe on this matter and BUSHIE or Hillary does not matter the party of one stays in place. The plan now is get Cruz to take Trump out and then getting Cruz out will be a lot easier and here comes BUSHIE or Rubio to save the party of one. If you are good with that vote Rubio, Bush but Cruz will  not make it to the finish line.

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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2015, 07:37:58 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2015, 07:55:22 pm »
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2015, 07:56:51 pm »
Rubio makes me just as uneasy as Trump does, for different reasons.

Not me.  And Rubio can beat Hillary.  Trump.............. not a chance.
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Re: CNN Poll: Rubio, Cruz Beat Hillary
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2015, 09:51:19 pm »
Not me.  And Rubio can beat Hillary.  Trump.............. not a chance.

Rubio would be a smart choice.  But still,  in the way that things used to be done,  Rubio would be vying for the Veep slot, not the Big Job.    But that's before the recent fad of electing first term Senators to the Presidency and watching the whole shebang go to hell.   

That's, really, my big issue with Cruz - when all is said done,  does he have the seasoning, the stature and the leadership credentials?  Haven't we learned that the Presidency can't be the amateur hour?

Remember when the deep bench of dynamic GOP governors, steeped in executive experience, was touted as our strength?   Walker and Jindal and Pataki crapped out, and Christie,  Kasich and Bush are just hanging on.  (Actually, they are cannibalizing each other's support.  If the RNC were as sinister and smart as some folks pronounce they are,  they'd get those three in a room, knock their heads together,  and decide which one of the three will proceed forward with the support of the others.    Then a traditionally-qualified candidate can perhaps emerge to take on the Napoleons.)

In the end, the biggest challenge may be to unite the clans so we can win the damn thing.   Right now,  my dream ticket is Fiorina/Rubio or Fiorina/Kasich.   Fiorina's executive experience rivals the governors, and she's the sort of fighter the base is pining for.   She brings a moral authority to social issues.   Rubio is a talented communicator and idea man, and the Veep slot is perfect for him.   Or go with Kasich,  who's got everyone beat on the credentials of conventional experience,  and holds the key to Ohio (which is the key to the election)

   
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