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Kerry in Moscow for tough Syria, Ukraine talks with Putin
« on: December 15, 2015, 02:36:50 pm »
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Kerry in Moscow for tough Syria, Ukraine talks with Putin

By MATTHEW LEE
AP Diplomatic Writer
 
MOSCOW (AP) -- U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is in Russia to try and narrow gaps with Russian leaders over a political transition to end Syria's civil war and restore stability in eastern Ukraine.

After spending last week at climate talks outside the French capital, Kerry arrived early Tuesday in Moscow, where he will meet Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

Before departing Paris, Kerry attended a French-hosted foreign ministers meeting to compare notes on the results of a conference of Syrian opposition figures held last week in Saudi Arabia that are key to the peace effort. He also met separately with the foreign ministers of Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Qatar.

The trip is Kerry's second to Russia this year - he met with Putin in the Black Sea resort of Sochi in May - but his first since frosty relations over Ukraine were exacerbated by Moscow's intervention in Syria in late September. President Barack Obama has seen Putin briefly twice since then at international summits in Turkey and France.

A U.S. diplomat in Paris, who demanded anonymity to discuss the talks, said a meeting in Geneva on Friday between Russian and American diplomats on Syria was aimed mainly at clearing up Russian "grievances" ahead of Tuesday's Moscow meeting.

A statement issued by the Russian Foreign Ministry aired some of those grievances, saying that Moscow "will continue to seek a revision of the U.S. administration policy based on dividing terrorists into a 'bad' and 'good' ones" and complaining that the U.S. was unwilling to engage in "full-fledged coordination" between the two powers' militaries while both are conducting airstrikes in Syria.

Russia says its airstrikes since late September have targeted the Islamic State, but Western governments claim mostly moderate rebels are being hit and that Moscow is primarily concerned with shoring up Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Assad's future and his potential role in the political transition will be prime topics of Kerry's conversation with Putin and Lavrov, according to U.S. officials who say the results of the meetings will determine whether or not a new international diplomatic conference on Syria will go ahead as planned at the United Nations on Friday. Russia has consistently said Assad's future is for the Syrian people to decide, while the U.S. and many of its allies insist that he go, although they have softened their stance somewhat to allow Assad to play some kind of role in the transition.

Syrian opposition groups, however, demand that Assad leave at the start of the process - a point they reiterated at last week's meeting in Saudi Arabia - which is supposed to begin in early January, once the opposition groups have settled on a delegation to negotiate with the government. At the same time, Russia objects to the inclusion in the opposition of groups it considers to be terrorist organizations that would not be eligible for a cease-fire planned to take effect simultaneously with, or shortly after, the start of negotiations.

State Department spokesman John Kirby in Washington rejected Russian claims of preconditions that must be reached for the next round of international Syria talks to take place in New York on Friday. "There are no preconditions to having this meeting, or to having these discussions," Kirby said.

One senior official traveling with Kerry said he would be exploring ways to bridge gaps on both the political transition and the cease-fire as well as making the point that Russia's military operations in Syria need to focus on the Islamic State. The official, who was not authorized to speak publicly about Kerry's meetings and spoke on condition of anonymity, said that despite previous similar calls, a lot of Russian airstrikes continue to go toward Syrian rebels.

The official said Kerry would also be inquiring about recent comments from Putin and Russian military officers suggesting that Moscow is supplying the Free Syrian Army, which is opposed to Assad, with air support and weapons.

The U.S. and Russia are also at odds over Ukraine, where the U.S. says Russia's continued support for separatists in the east is destabilizing and prevents any end to hostilities.

The U.S. has been pressing its European allies to continue applying sanctions on Russia because of its annexation last year of Crimea and its support for the separatists.

In Moscow, Kerry will ask for Russia's full implementation of a February cease-fire in exchange for sanctions relief. That deal called for the removal of heavy weaponry from front lines, a Russian troop withdrawal, the release of detainees and full access for international monitors. That cease-fire has become increasingly strained.

The official also rejected suggestions that the U.S. might be willing to ease off on Ukraine if Russia alters its positions on Syria.

"We are not playing 'Let's Make a Deal' here," the official said. "We are not trading Ukraine for Syria."

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Re: Kerry in Moscow for tough Syria, Ukraine talks with Putin
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2015, 02:41:36 pm »
 :bigsilly: Kerry "negotiating" with Putin."  :laughingdog: Boy are we in trouble.  I'm sure Putin isn't fond of traitorous, lying, sniveling important people wannabes. :im waiting:

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Re: Kerry in Moscow for tough Syria, Ukraine talks with Putin
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2015, 02:53:03 pm »
We sent an imbecile to negotiate with a man forged in the furnace that was the cold war KGB.

Just imagine who Hillary is going to pick as SOS.

We are so screwed.

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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2015, 03:15:08 pm »

Just imagine who Hillary is going to pick as SOS.
 

Michael Moore or Huma Abedin?

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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2015, 04:17:06 pm »
We sent an imbecile to negotiate with a man forged in the furnace that was the cold war KGB.

Just imagine who Hillary is going to pick as SOS.

We are so screwed.
She could pick her husband. It would be great for her. Keep him away from WH and he could do all the women he wanted to in other countries.  What a nightmare Relic. With that question......who is she going to pick for all her admin? Nightmare.


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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2015, 04:29:12 pm »
She could pick her husband. It would be great for her. Keep him away from WH and he could do all the women he wanted to in other countries.  What a nightmare Relic. With that question......who is she going to pick for all her admin? Nightmare.

A nightmare that we are very likely to live.

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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2015, 04:32:16 pm »
A nightmare that we are very likely to live.
True.  8888crybaby **nononono*


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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2015, 04:43:44 pm »
But first I'm going to negotiate a Russian Dunkin' Donut.

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« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2015, 04:51:33 pm »
She could pick her husband. It would be great for her. Keep him away from WH and he could do all the women he wanted to in other countries.  What a nightmare Relic. With that question......who is she going to pick for all her admin? Nightmare.

Yes, it's a nightmare - that we're living through right now.  These people are now in charge! 

I hear of things every day that make me shake my head in disbelief and I've become desensitized to things that were unimaginable to me ten years ago.  The sheer numbers of people who have died or have lost everything, continues to grow, and it's all because these people like John Kerry are now in charge and are trying to engineer their collective Utopian fantasies, which never work.

They are cunningly strategic in their evil plans, but they are idiotically insane.

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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2015, 05:24:01 pm »
But first I'm going to negotiate a Russian Dunkin' Donut.


Where did you find that photo? is it from this trip to Russia?


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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2015, 07:40:42 pm »
Where did you find that photo? is it from this trip to Russia?
I believe it is. Someone posted it on Twitter and I saw it this morning.
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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2015, 07:47:15 pm »
I believe it is. Someone posted it on Twitter and I saw it this morning.
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2015, 10:42:57 pm »
It looks as if Lurch lost another negotiation since Assad 's red line has been withdrawn from the sand.

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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2015, 10:49:10 pm »
It looks as if Lurch lost another negotiation since Assad 's red line has been withdrawn from the sand.

He couldn't help but lose...all that Botox makes it impossible for him to talk.
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2015, 10:51:42 pm »
He couldn't help but lose...all that Botox makes it impossible for him to talk.

But that fact he can speak  French was probably his ace in the hole - which didn't work either.

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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2015, 12:28:27 am »
She could pick her husband.

I don't think she can.  The SOS is fourth in line to the Presidency and Bill Clinton's already served the maximum two terms, so he can't be in the line of succession.

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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2015, 04:22:55 pm »
I don't think she can.  The SOS is fourth in line to the Presidency and Bill Clinton's already served the maximum two terms, so he can't be in the line of succession.

The solution to that is simple.  Bile Clinton becomes a tranny, calls himself Wilma, keeps his "hardware" of course. and says he is a woman.  Viola, he's legal. :silly: