What's wrong with Fascism?

[DCPatriot]

Warren will be 75 in eight years.  The only 75 year old woman who wears it well is Sophia Loren.

Furthermore...'Indians' don't age very well.   

[truth_seeker]

Truth-seeker
You just proved my point. If conservatism needs to be modified, it's not conservatism anymore. This is something the John Birch Society has been saying since it was founded. You are a Liberal; not me. America must be split up if Conservatism is to be saved. If something radical doesn't happen soon, you will be toiling in a Socialist democracy, and I'll  be living happily in Hungary.

You failed to deal with several points I made, and reverted to claiming that I am a liberal, which is simply not true. Such a style often found on contemporary conservative forums, is a recognition of your lack of any, or weak arguments.

So let me finish by asking a few pertinent questions (I learned you like numbered lists.).

1. Of our 535 elected legislators at the federal level, how many are Fascists of the variety you like and admire?

2. Since you want to go to Hungary, shouldn't you depart soon? Or shouldn't you wait till you arrive there, to study law?

3. Who will pay for your higher education, here in  the USA? 

4. Who have been the main sources of influence, to get you to your current beliefs? Grandparents, parents, siblings, educators, religious leaders?

5. What is your current career path objective? To seize control of a government, and rule in an elite class of superior individuals? Would you be the generalissimo, or the dictator?

I say that, because the trend of the last decades, is toward democratically elected governments, not democratically elected fascistic states.

Whatever ideas you hold, I doubt you or very many others will be able to convince groups of people to be ruled under fascism, or by the Birch Society.

Finally when I was your age, I was far more interested in pretty hormonal females, than debating or studying politics.

[PaleoConPrep]

Truth-seeker
I wasn't talking about Fascism. Forget that for now. I thought you said Conservatism needs to be modified to appeal to more Liberal people. If that's what you believe, then conservatism isn't conservatism anymore. It Democrat-lite. Let me address your points.
1. Doesn't apply. I wasn't talking about that. When I said the U.S. need to be split up, I'd want a REAL Constitutional Republic. Marxism and Liberalism would be banned in all forms, but it would be a Republic. Every election, it would be the Constitution Party vs. the Libertarian Party. There would be no ill will between us. I'd be fine with a Libertarian Prsident, and the Libertarians should be fine with a Constitution Party President.
2. You're probably right. I'm waiting to see what happens in 2016. If Hillary wins I'll go, if Cruz, Carson,  Trump, or Paul becomes POTUS, I'll stay.
3. I'm am a top student academically. I have a very high GPA, good amount of community service, and should get a good ACT. If you look at the list of colleges I'm applying to, most aren't that expensive. A good amount will be covered by scholarship, and I can pay the rest.
4. Are you asking about political beliefs or all beliefs. I'll assume you mean all beliefs.  Here's a list of people that have influenced me.
Politics
1. Pat Buchanan( I agree with him on pretty much everything)
2. Ron Paul
3. Paul Gottfried
Theology
1.  Martin Luther
2. John Calvin
3. Jonathan Edwards( my favorite theologian)
4. Dr. Janes White
5. Douglas Wilson
6. Dr. Greg Bahnsen
Those are the people that have had a lot of influence on me. I've studied a lot of other people, but these are the ones I agree with politically and theologically.
5. My career path depends on the 2016 elections. If we get a conservative POTUS, I'll get an undergrad degree, get a law degree, and then move to Dallas to practice law. After 5-10 years of law practice, I'll run for Congress with pretty much the exact same platform as Pat Buchanan. I would be a political insurgent like Ted Cruz.  If Hillary wins, I'll get my degrees, move to Hungary, become a citizen  and run as a  member of the Jobbik Party.

I am not a Fascist, and do not believe Fascism is the best form of government. A cultured, educated Republic would be the best, but we can't have that due to the amount of Liberals in this country. America needs to split, and conservative and Libertarians need to unite. We need to form a real Constitutional Republic. Ban Liberalism and Marxism in all forms. As far as "pretty hormonal females" go, I'll save that for college. I believe modern dating is very destructive. I don't think people under 18 should even be thinking about this sort of thing. Look up Biblical courtship( this is what I will be doing)

[EdinVA]

When I said the U.S. need to be split up

It is split up, they are called states and each state was supposed to be allowed to have it's own "mini-culture" (for lack of a better description.
But the state governments have become so addicted to federal money the will do anything to get it.
Even when the federal money is not involved, the feds bring in federal thugs to force the states to do their bidding.

I think you are too hung up on labeling people and need to spend more time actually understanding what is going on.

[truth_seeker]

1. I notice no mention of serving in our military.

2. I notice the absence of President Ronald Reagan, from sources of your philosophy.

I doubt there is a big demand in Dallas, for lawyers holding fringe philosophies. You stand very much in a fringe; Buchanan got 0.5 percent when he ran for office.

The Truth for me is that Reagan stands as the example of what is or was achievable by conservatism in this country during our lifetimes.

He persuaded, convinced, influenced, converted people to his philosophy. Few conservatives today can do that.

Pragmatism and Reality play huge roles in my outlook. I cannot respect anybody that decides their solution for America is to run away.

[musiclady]

It is split up, they are called states and each state was supposed to be allowed to have it's own "mini-culture" (for lack of a better description.
But the state governments have become so addicted to federal money the will do anything to get it.
Even when the federal money is not involved, the feds bring in federal thugs to force the states to do their bidding.

I think you are too hung up on labeling people and need to spend more time actually understanding what is going on.

 

[PaleoConPrep]

Truth-seeker
1. I can't serve in the military because I have a visual impairment. I have no vision in my right eye, and limited vision in my left.( I was born prematurely)
2. Reagan was a great POTUS, and one I'll always respect( Pat Buchanan worked for him by the way) he was not as conservative as Coolidge. Borrowing continued under the Reagan administration. Of course, I was not alive to see either Coolidge or Reagan as POTUS. Something I really dislike within conservatism is the way SOME conservatives worship Reagan. People talk of a "Reagan Revolution" This really amuses me.  As Paul Gottfried has said, "revolution" is not the right word. A revolution drastically changes things( like the American Revolution did) Disruption is a better word. Reagans presidency was a temporary halt to the norm. If there had been a "revolution", Bush Sr.  would not have been nominated in 88,  Dole in 96, Bush Jr in 2000, McCain in 08, and Romney in 12. Do you realize there hasn't even been a conservative NOMINEE for POTUS since Reagan? So much for the idea of a "Reagan Revolution"  And now the establishment wants Rubio. Although with Ted Cruz, Trump, and Mark Levin hitting him at one time, I don't think that'll happen. From what you've said, it looks like you're a modern conservative. That's fine, but realize that there are other types of conservative( as a Paleoconservative, I'm just as conservative as you are) give me a straightforward answer. Would you rather have Buchanan or what we have now? Go to YouTube, and look up a video called " Robert Welchs Amazingly Accurate Predictions 1958" Welch was the founder of the John Birch Society. Are you saying he wasn't conservative?( put your dislike for the Society to the side for a moment) You seem to really dislike the JBS. Do you even bother to read the New American? Take a look at their website once in a while.
3. I want to do corporate law. I'm not doing public interest. My political affiliation won't matter to a law firm.

You say you have no respect for someone who wants to leave America. OK fair point. I have no respect for a country that's committing national suicide.

[sinkspur]

Pat Buchanan dances on the edge of anti-semitism.  He also despises the state of Israel, our strongest ally in the Middle East.

Glad he's nowhere near the White House.

[PaleoConPrep]

Sinkspur
Don't get fooled by the Jewish lobby. Israel needs to START TAKING CARE OF ITSELF. STOP SENDING THEM MONEY AND WEAPONS. You can attack Buchanan all you want, but know that he would've been a better POTUS than Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and Obama  put together. When America is a Socialist democracy, you will hide you're head in shame for attacking Buchanan. I have undying respect for the man. He tried his best. Pat Buchanan and Robert A. Taft are very similar. Two great Americans who should've been POTUS, but were ultimately overpowered by the establishment. Watch Pat school Sean Hanity on Iran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVA7JHawPlA

[truth_seeker]

Kooksville. Illuminati, Bilder burgers, and anti-semites Holocaust Deniers

A bunch of guys that never put on a uniform, (Welsh, Buchanan, etc.)

Done with this complete waste of time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Welch,_Jr.

And Hungarian Jobbik Party:

World Jewish Congress Protest[edit]

On 4 May 2013, Jobbik members protested against the World Jewish Congress in Budapest, claiming the protest was against "a Jewish attempt to buy up Hungary".[93] Jobbik MP Enikő Hegedűs vociferously condemned both Israel and Jews at the rally as her husband, Lóránt Hegedűs Jr., stood nearby.[94] An ordained minister in the Reformed Church in Hungary, Lóránt Hegedűs himself had served in the National Assembly as an MP of the far-right nationalist Hungarian Justice and Life Party from 1998 to 2002.[95] He invited Holocaust denier David Irving to his Budapest church in 2007 as a "special guest",[95] and has also been accused of anti-Semitism on several occasions for statements he has made about Jews at Jobbik events. At a 2011 rally, he claimed that Jews orchestrated World War II and controlled the international media,[96] and a year prior had alleged that the Hungarian government was secretly cooperating with Mossad to facilitate an Israeli takeover of Hungary with the assistance of Hungarian Jews and mainstream churches.[97] After his wife's statement regarding the World Jewish Congress, the Reformed Church launched an inquiry into the minister's conduct, with presiding bishop Gusztáv Bölcskei denouncing Hegedűs's activism for Jobbik as "permanent provocation" which was incompatible with scripture.[94]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobbik#World_Jewish_Congress_Protest

[sinkspur]

Sinkspur
Don't get fooled by the Jewish lobby. Israel needs to START TAKING CARE OF ITSELF. STOP SENDING THEM MONEY AND WEAPONS. You can attack Buchanan all you want, but know that he would've been a better POTUS than Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and Obama  put together. When America is a Socialist democracy, you will hide you're head in shame for attacking Buchanan. I have undying respect for the man. He tried his best. Pat Buchanan and Robert A. Taft are very similar. Two great Americans who should've been POTUS, but were ultimately overpowered by the establishment. Watch Pat school Sean Hanity on Iran.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVA7JHawPlA

I don't brook anti-semitism in any form.  And Pat Buchanan has convinced me that he has a thing against Jews.  His ridiculous attempt to say that the Nazis never used Zyklon B gas in the gas chambers when the Allies found canisters of the stuff all over Auschwitz proved to me just how deep his Jew-hatred runs.

I find Pat amusing and entertaining in a debate, but I have absolutely no respect for him. 

[ABX]

Pat Buchanan dances on the edge of anti-semitism.  He also despises the state of Israel, our strongest ally in the Middle East.

Glad he's nowhere near the White House.

What is telling is the so-called non-interventionist (or isolationist or nationalist or whatever label one attributes to him at the time) Pat, sides with Iran against Israel. So he is all about pulling out intervening support for Israel (which is mostly on paper, financial support comes from selling them arms (not giving it to them) and trade deals), but wants to intervene with Iran in terms of creating an alliance there. I've believed for a long time Pat believes The Protocols are not fiction. He speaks stronger against Israel than the totalitarian Islamists that surround her.

http://buchanan.org/blog/deal-iran-war-iran-5991